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paultimate14, do games w Pop it in your calendars

I’m at least willing to wait until it gets reviews to make a sound judgement.

I don’t think the bonus would have been a big enough reason to delay the game. Delaying a game like this relatively last-minute and giving it an extra year of development is waaaay more expensive than the bonuses would have been. That’s a gigantic revenue spike they were expecting to get this year and now have to push out to next year, and they may well end up paying out similar bonuses next year too.

My suspicion, from the history of Steve Papoutsis, is that Kraftom wanted to add in anti-player elements and the original founders refused. Probably micro transactions, or maybe even having a bigger multiplayer focus to make it closer to a live-service game. Some mechanism to get money from customers beyond the original purchase. I suspect crap like that will be reason enough not to buy the game when it comes out.

Boddhisatva,

Delaying a game like this relatively last-minute and giving it an extra year of development is waaaay more expensive than the bonuses would have been.

Is it still more expensive if they just shelve it and pretend to give it extra development? I haven’t seen any details on why it wasn’t ready for release or what they are changing or adding? A quarter billion dollars in savings seems like pretty good motivation for a company to park a project for 6 to 12 months.

Gullible,

Agreed. Subnautica 1 steam revenue breakdown offers a bit of perspective on why they might want to play pretend.

“How much money did Subnautica make? We estimate that Subnautica made $274,113,745.92 in gross revenue since its release. Out of this, the developer had an estimated net revenue of $80,863,555.05. Refer to the revenue table for a full breakdown of these numbers.”

$274,113,746
GROSS REVENUE

ADJ. REGIONAL PRICING
$24,670,237.13

DISCOUNTS
$54,822,749.18

REFUNDS
$32,893,649.51

STEAM CUT
$48,518,133.03

VAT / SALES TAX
$32,345,422.02

NET REVENUE
$80,863,555.05

paultimate14,

Bloomberg reported that the bonus was tied to revenue targets. So the $250,000 estimate must be estimating significantly higher revenues for them in 2025.

What you posted is just the sales on 1 platform for 1 game, whixh came out in 2018 when games were cheaper.

Gullible,

It’s far and away their most profitable game to date, so it would make sense to get some perspective from it. Can you offer anything concrete about their other platform sales? I’m not familiar with any tools for that

paultimate14,

Is it still more expensive if they just shelve it

Yes. Like, it’s not even a question it’s more expensive to delay it. First of all, they are choosing to pay for 6-12 months of extra development, which alone is probably several times more money than the bonus that they would have paid out. I don’t know what their payroll is, but we don’t need to know because math.

If the bonus was for 1/2 annual salary per person (which would be insanely high), then the cost of the bonus would be the same as 6 months of additional payroll. Meaning that with any longer delay than 6 months or smaller bonus structure than 1/2 of annual salary, it becomes more expensive to delay the game. Both of which are incredibly likely in my opinion.

And that’s just salary. It’s possible the studio was planning on laying people off after release, but more likely that they would have moved to a other project that is currently wrapping up pre-production. So this is causing a cascading effect unless they hire additional staff to catch up.

Then you have marketing costs. The rule of thumb in the industry is that half the overall budget is marketing. There are all sorts of contracts they probably had- digital stuff like banner ads on websites, on the console digital storefronts, partnerships with twitch streamers and YouTubers and review websites, physical stuff like cardboard cutouts and fliers. They may have started printing for boxes for physical releases (though I’m not sure whether this game would have had one or not). They may have started acquiring merch inventory: shirts and stickers and backpacks and flashlights and more perhaps. Some of these contracts they may be able to postpone or cancel, but they certainly aren’t getting back 100% of what they paid.

And in all of this time they aren’t getting the huge revenue spike they were expecting. The vast, vast majority of a game’s revenue comes at launch (excluding live services, which this hopefully will not have). They need to survive another year on the trickle of revenue coming in from the sales of their other games, or Krafton may need to pump more of their own money into Unknown Worlds. Or debt.

chocrates,

According to one of the articles above the publishers operating profit last year was "only" $300m so that bonus would make the shareholders mad I guess.

sk1nnym1ke, do games w Pop it in your calendars

Crosspost this on other communities and social media apps

maxwells_daemon, do games w Pop it in your calendars

“But it’s still mostly the same team, please give us the benefit of the doubt 😭😭😭😭”

Don’t be stupid, don’t buy from a publisher before the 1.0 release

NONE_dc, do games w Pop it in your calendars
@NONE_dc@lemmy.world avatar

So is like what happened in ZA/UM with Disco Elysium?

Blaster_M, do games w Pop it in your calendars

Welp, guess I’m going to not buy it harder then…

Baggie, do gaming w Linux users: Are we over-reliant on Steam?

A touch, yes. I’m much happier being reliant on steam than Microsoft. They’re not incredibly indispensible either, you can do this stuff without them.

dastanktal, do games w Pop it in your calendars
@dastanktal@lemmy.ml avatar

Companies only answer to profit and unfortunately we get to see the results. Can’t have those proles making 250 million dollars now. That would eat into the profits of our shareholders.

Green_Mouse, do games w Pop it in your calendars
@Green_Mouse@piefed.social avatar

Yikes!

stupidcasey, do games w Pop it in your calendars

Gotta be honest, I would do the same and worse for 250 million dollars.

LostWanderer, do games w Pop it in your calendars
@LostWanderer@fedia.io avatar

I'm not particularly excited about this upcoming dumpster fire...Already took it off my Wishlist.

jherazob, do gaming w Linux users: Are we over-reliant on Steam?
@jherazob@beehaw.org avatar

We definitely are, Valve has single-handedly made Linux a viable gaming platform, but in the process became indispensable. Thanks to Gabe they’ve been rather good in that respect. However, whoever replaces him might not be as good as him.

slauraure,
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They can’t replace him with a suit. There should be a shaman council that speaks with his spirit to make further decisions for Valve after his passing or retirement (they can just speak directly in this case).

AreaKode, do games w Pop it in your calendars

Arrrr…

atro_city, do games w Pop it in your calendars

Gib sauce!

JavaStack, do games w The Steam controller was ahead of its time

Is this the AI slop hyphen use I’ve heard so much about?

atomicpoet,

The em dash? I always use it—love it—you’ll have to take it from cold, dead hands.

Affidavit,

Windows: Alt+0151

Linux: Compose - + - + -

HeerlijkeDrop,

Yeah sure, emdashes and curly quotation marks were designed and put into Unicode specially for AI. Take some book or newspaper and look at what characters it uses

waterdog9,

This feels written in an AI generated voice as well though

  • all the semi-dramatic filler “Well, Valve had the last laugh”, “That said, it wasn’t perfect”, “And honestly?”, etc
  • each paragraph has an intro, some content, and a conclusion
  • all the punctuation is grammatically correct

Plus, it uses a very generic argument about why everyone else is wrong for not liking the controller, even though from the comments here it’s pretty clear the main reason is not having a d-pad

Metarespawn, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of July 7th

iam death stranding what i learned Balancing gaming with breaks improves focus and reaction time a lot. Even a 5-minute stretch every hour can keep you sharp for longer sessions.

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