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scrubbles, do gaming w Stop blaming teeth for Cities: Skylines 2 performance problems, say devs
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This is exactly it. It’s more fun to shit on a game release because it gives a sense of superiority. “I know better than everyone else, this game should have been done this way and that way” and bolsters self confidence.

There are without a doubt some really good arguments for things that could be different, but the vast majority of things I read are self aggrandizing people talking about how they all know how it could be better - and that’s the arrogance that really bugs me. That any of us who don’t know anything about the source code could say at all that it should run better.

Saying “I wish it ran faster” is one thing. Saying “I know it could run better” or “Other games run fast, this one should too”, or in regards to this article “lol they did this thing that’s so stupid” and just the self backpatting for figuring it out. Software engineering is hard alone. Gaming engineering on top of that is just ridiculous. I have 14 years of software engineering under my belt and I still know they are doing things in this game that I would not be able to. Anyone who says they know better than the engineers are the same as the people who sat in my CS102 class and told other students they were smarter than the professor. You aren’t. Everyone knows you aren’t. Please stop acting like you are

scrubbles, do gaming w Stop blaming teeth for Cities: Skylines 2 performance problems, say devs
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That’s not a fair comparison. I see people upset because the car isn’t a masarati, when they didn’t build a masarati. They built a van. I don’t need to go 100km/h, I needed something that could carry all of these items I have. And for me, that runs fine.

I will say that I have a new(ish) gaming rig, built about 3 years ago. I do think minimum requirements are jokingly out of date, and those needed to be upped to not mislead people. I don’t think even a 1000 series GTX card could play this on minimum settings, let alone a 900. It’s better PR just to be up front and say “Look, those cards just aren’t going to cut it. If you can’t play day one, we’re sorry, but we’re excited to see you at your next upgrade” rather than lie and say it’ll be fine.

scrubbles, do gaming w Stop blaming teeth for Cities: Skylines 2 performance problems, say devs
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They literally said why. Because a lot of players, like myself, don’t care about the performance issues and are happy to play it. That those who wanted to start deserved to get it early, and that by delaying it only punished us. And they’re right, like I said I am enjoying it, there’s a huge discord of people enjoying it. If some people just absolutely can’t handle 30fos then they are welcome to delay it for themselves and not buy it until hardware catches up

scrubbles, do games w Nintendo Switch 2: Everything We Know - IGN
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Oh my god I hate those. Those are the real articles and places terrified for AI. they’re excited because they can write more bullshit with it. They should be terrified because AI is great at summarizing and I expect extensions that will summarize it down to a sentence

scrubbles, do games w Nintendo Switch 2: Everything We Know - IGN
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Ah gaming journalism in the 2020s.

Everything we know so far about “product”

unfortunately we know nothing about “product” yet, but here’s an unfounded rumor and a fuzzy picture! Thanks for clicking on our garbage article and giving us as revenue!

scrubbles, do gaming w Stop blaming teeth for Cities: Skylines 2 performance problems, say devs
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The most annoying thing about the cities performance issues isn’t even the performance issues. It’s all the gamers who overnight became experts in game performance that are ranting and raving online about how they obviously know how to optimize games more than professionals. It’s so tiring at this point.

Any software engineer with real professional experience can tell you performance tuning is a nightmare. It’s going through millions of lines of code checking for places you can allocate memory a bit differently. Checking collections and going back to your CS classes to make sure you’re using the best data structures. Watching performance tools and debugging for hours on end to catch that one place that slows down a bit.

People here, Reddit, and everywhere are just so tiring because they act like it’s so obvious. “Oh it’s the teeth”. “If they would have done X”. It’s honestly just so disrespectful to the full time engineers who no doubt have had those thoughts months ago. If items like this were simple, they would have done them already.

I give completely respect to the engineers who worked on this, and I respect Colossal Order’s push to still release early. As someone who is enjoying the game, zero crashes, and in my opinion completely playable, I’m happy they released now.

scrubbles, do games w Is Destiny 2 Still Worth Playing in 2023? - IGN
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This is why I can’t play multiplayer games anymore, all of them have just focused on difficulty and grinding.

I was looking forward to Halo infinite for quite a while, but the multiplayer just is terrible for me. Halo 4 is probably the last one that I kind of enjoyed. And of course the first three were amazing. All I want is to start up multiplayer and and play against people roughly my skill level. I don’t want to grind, I don’t want to be work for everything, I’m a guy who got off work and has a few hours to unwind after the day.

The last thing I want to do after getting off work is have to be extremely frustrated because I’m struggling on an online game and I should be just relaxing. Kudos to everybody who does want the challenge, but games need modes that allow me just to slack off and have fun

scrubbles, do games w Cities Skylines 2 dev stuck to launch date despite “potential kicking”
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scrubbles, do games w Cities: Skylines II - Performance, Post-Release Plans & Goals
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While some setups on PC have challenges, we concluded the performance is not a dealbreaker for all the players. For us, the number one priority is for the players to have fun with the game, and we had seen enough feedback from players enjoying the game that it would be more unfair to postpone. We know we will keep working on the game and do our best to fix issues as fast as possible, so we wanted to respect the announced release date and allow people to start playing the game.

I’ve gotten a lot of flak here on Lemmy for saying this was their plan, because I’m now… 11ish hours into my game and loving it and I don’t need super high framerates.

scrubbles, do games w Cities Skylines 2 dev stuck to launch date despite “potential kicking”
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There’s a lot of entitled people who are upset because they kicked everything to ultra and yeah , that’s where that 7-12 fps is. Most people can’t fathom fiddling with the settings a bit and maybe lowering them.

The dev sent out a forum post on what settings are causing the biggest lag. I followed their advice and it is completely playable. I’m about 10 hours in and I’m loving it

scrubbles, do games w Cities Skylines 2 reportedly runs with 7-12fps on an Intel Core i9 13900KS with AMD Radeon RX 7900XTX at 4K/High Settings
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People just think that all new games should be able to run at 60fps on ultra settings on 4 year old hardware or it isn’t “optimized”. If it runs fine, I’m happy ,even if it needs to be on “high” settings until hardware catches up a bit.

scrubbles, do games w Just an observation on game engines
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Yeah, this guy is basically harping on the concept of re-usable code. That’s why we praise RollerCoaster Tycoon’s dev, he wrote the entire thing in assembly. Beyond that, everything since 2d has used an engine. Hell, to not use an engine would be wasteful and delay games. What, every game should rewrite an engine?

Even Halo CE, 2002, used an engine. The Blam! engine. Dude’s delusional if he thinks people were drawing individual pixels on the monitor.

scrubbles, do games w Just an observation on game engines
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Yes, this is all a horrible post, game engines can’t really be compared directly. There is no one size fits all.

EA thought that and tried to apply Frostbite to their entire catalogue. What worked amazingly for Battlefield/Battlefront was a disaster for Dragon Age: Inquisition, Mass Effect Andromeda, and let’s not forget Anthem. Engine was optimized for small maps and quick gameplay, but was horrible for large open worlds and RPG elements.

The reason Unreal requires such heavy hardware is because they’re trying to be a one tool fits all, but that requires making sacrifices.

OP’s entire post here is incredibly naive. It’s apples to oranges.

scrubbles, do games w Cities Skylines 2 reportedly runs with 7-12fps on an Intel Core i9 13900KS with AMD Radeon RX 7900XTX at 4K/High Settings
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This is a good take. If I can play, maybe high settings, on my 1440p monitor I’ll be happy. I don’t need ultra day one. I’m excited for a refreshed city builder, I have hundreds of hours in the first one and I’m excited to see the improvements.

scrubbles, do games w Cities Skylines 2 reportedly runs with 7-12fps on an Intel Core i9 13900KS with AMD Radeon RX 7900XTX at 4K/High Settings
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Shhhh you gotta jump on the hate train! You can’t just be happy a game is coming out here!

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