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KingThrillgore, do games w Nvidia Announces RTX 50's Graphic Card Blackwell Series: RTX 5090 ($1999), RTX 5080 ($999), RTX 5070 Ti ($749), RTX 5070 ($549)
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

Two problems, they are big ones:

  1. The hardware is expensive for a marginal improvement
  2. The games coming out that best leverage the features like Ray tracing are also expensive and not good
frezik,

Nvidia claims the 5070 will give 4090 performance. That’s a huge generation uplift if it’s true. Of course, we’ll have to wait for independent benchmarks to confirm that.

The best ray tracing games I’ve seen are applying it to older games, like Quake II or Minecraft.

lazynooblet,
@lazynooblet@lazysoci.al avatar

I expect they tell us it can achieve that because under the hood DLSS4 gives it more performance if enabled.

But is that a fair comparison?

Poopfeast420,
@Poopfeast420@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

They’ve already said it’s all because of DLSS 4. The 5070 needs the new 4x FG to match the 4090, although I don’t know if the 4090 has the “old” 2x FG enabled, probably not.

TheFeatureCreature, do games w Nvidia Announces RTX 50's Graphic Card Blackwell Series: RTX 5090 ($1999), RTX 5080 ($999), RTX 5070 Ti ($749), RTX 5070 ($549)
@TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.world avatar

No thanks; I’m good. Still feeling the sting over buying my 4080 Super last spring. Also it’s doing me just fine for my work and for games.

jadedwench, do games w Sony is working on Horizon Zero Dawn and Helldivers 2 movies

Movies nobody asked for.

Zoomboingding,
@Zoomboingding@lemmy.world avatar

HZD actually has a fantastic story and a great setting. With some recent successful game movies, I can see this one actually being good. But does Sony have much of a track record here? Uncharted was bad.

N00b22,

Gran Turismo was mid as wel

Cris16228,

This! Loved both games and can’t wait for a 3rd one and I’m okay with a movie if it’s well made but Sony… Ugh

unknown1234_5, do games w Sony is working on Horizon Zero Dawn and Helldivers 2 movies

why can't they just let the games be games

Cris16228,

Tbh a movie/anime/TV series about Horizon is something I’d probably say “wow that’s cool” but nothing much. This only because I love HZD and HFW

Just like Nier got their anime recently. I still have to watch it but I kind like the idea

KingThrillgore,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

Money

geneva_convenience, do games w Nvidia Announces RTX 50's Graphic Card Blackwell Series: RTX 5090 ($1999), RTX 5080 ($999), RTX 5070 Ti ($749), RTX 5070 ($549)
@geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml avatar

By rendering only 25% of the frames we made DLSS4 100% faster than DLSS3. Which only renders 50% of the frames! - NVIDIA unironically

ZeroHora,
@ZeroHora@lemmy.ml avatar

You living in the past, rendering 100% of the frames is called Brute Force Rendering, that’s for losers.

With only 2k trump coins our new graphic card can run Cyberpunk 2077, a game from 4 years ago, at 30 fps with RTX ON but you see with DLSS and all the other crap magic we can run at 280 FPS!!! Everything is blurry and ugly as fuck but look at the numbers!!!

vane, do games w Nvidia Announces RTX 50's Graphic Card Blackwell Series: RTX 5090 ($1999), RTX 5080 ($999), RTX 5070 Ti ($749), RTX 5070 ($549)

More Shenanigans. Moooore !

ChicoSuave, do games w Sony is working on Horizon Zero Dawn and Helldivers 2 movies

Starship Troopers exists so any video game movie adaptation will be compared to it. Unless Paul Verhoven is directing, it is a big uphill battle to win any comparisons.

And it’s Sony, so, good luck? They can’t seem to understand what makes a movie interesting to want to watch. They can’t cut a good trailer but their actual ability to produce and execute movie production is just bad. They can’t make a comic book movie that isn’t produced by others.

clay_pidgin,

I wonder if they’ll go with acclaimed producer/director/asshat Uwe Boll?

caut_R, do games w Nvidia Announces RTX 50's Graphic Card Blackwell Series: RTX 5090 ($1999), RTX 5080 ($999), RTX 5070 Ti ($749), RTX 5070 ($549)

My last new graphics card was a 1080, I‘ve bought second hand since then and will keep doing that cause these prices are…

Don_alForno,

I’m still using that 1080Ti and currently see no reason to upgrade.

DoucheBagMcSwag,

FF VII rebirth will require an RTX 20

but I think that’s down to lack of optimization

newthrowaway20,

Rebirth also says it requires 12 gigs of vram, my 3080 is crying.

SaltySalamander,

Still using a 1080 Ti and I definitely have lots of reasons to upgrade, but I'm not willing to spread the cheeks that wide.

inclementimmigrant, do games w Nvidia Announces RTX 50's Graphic Card Blackwell Series: RTX 5090 ($1999), RTX 5080 ($999), RTX 5070 Ti ($749), RTX 5070 ($549)

This is absolutely 3dfx level of screwing over consumers and all about just faking frames to get their “performance”.

Breve,

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  • Fluffy_Ruffs,

    Welcome to the future

    Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In,

    What if I’m buying a graphics card to run Flux or an LLM locally. Aren’t these cards good for those use cases?

    daddy32,

    Except you cannot use them for AI commercially, or at least in data center setting.

    TastyWheat,

    “T-BUFFER! MOTION BLUR! External power supplies! Wait, why isn’t anyone buying this?”

    Twinklebreeze, do games w Sony is working on Horizon Zero Dawn and Helldivers 2 movies
    @Twinklebreeze@lemmy.world avatar

    Sony can’t make a good movie to save it’s life. I’m amazed they can make good games still. Every other division is hot garbage.

    moonlight, do games w Nvidia Announces RTX 50's Graphic Card Blackwell Series: RTX 5090 ($1999), RTX 5080 ($999), RTX 5070 Ti ($749), RTX 5070 ($549)

    I think it's going to be a long time before I upgrade my graphics card with these prices.

    makingStuffForFun, do games w Nvidia Announces RTX 50's Graphic Card Blackwell Series: RTX 5090 ($1999), RTX 5080 ($999), RTX 5070 Ti ($749), RTX 5070 ($549)
    @makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml avatar

    I’m waiting for that new Intel gear.

    KamikazeRusher, do games w Nvidia Announces RTX 50's Graphic Card Blackwell Series: RTX 5090 ($1999), RTX 5080 ($999), RTX 5070 Ti ($749), RTX 5070 ($549)

    Maybe I’m stuck in the last decade, but these prices seem insane. I know we’ve yet to see what a 5050 (lol) or 5060 would be capable of or its price point. However launching at $549 as your lowest card feels like a significant amount of the consumer base won’t be able to buy any of these.

    Stovetop,

    Sadly I think this is the new normal. You could buy a decent GPU, or you could buy an entire game console. Unless you have some other reason to need a strong PC, it just doesn’t seem worth the investment.

    At least Intel are trying to keep their prices low. Until they either catch on, in which case they’ll raise prices to match, or they fade out and leave everyone with unsupported hardware.

    GoodEye8,

    Actually AMD has said they’re ditching their high end options and will also focus on budget and midrange cards. AMD has also promised better raytracing performance (compared to their older cards) so I don’t think it will be the new norm if AMD also prices their cards competitively to Intel. The high end cards will be overpriced as it seems like the target audience doesn’t care that they’re paying shitton of money. But budget and midrange options might slip away from Nvidia and get cheaper, especially if the upscaler crutch breaks and devs have to start doing actual optimizations for their games.

    moody,

    Actually AMD has said they’re ditching their high end options

    Which means there’s no more competition in the high-end range. AMD was lagging behind Nvidia in terms of pure performance, but the price/performance ratio was better. Now they’ve given up a segment of the market, and consumers lose out in the process.

    GoodEye8,

    the high end crowd showed there’s no price competition, there’s only performance competition and they’re willing to pay whatever to get the latest and greatest. Nvidia isn’t putting a 2k pricetag on the top of the line card because it’s worth that much, they’re putting that pricetag because they know the high end crowd will buy it anyway. The high end crowd has caused this situation.

    You call that a loss for the consumers, I’d say it’s a positive. The high end cards make up like 15% (and I’m probably being generous here) of the market. AMD dropping the high and focusing on mid-range and budget cards which is much more beneficial for most users. Budget and mid-range cards make up the majority of the PC users. If the mid-range and budget cards are affordable that’s much more worthwhile to most people than having high end cards “affordable”.

    moody,

    But they’ve been selling mid-range and budget GPUs all this time. They’re not adding to the existing competition there, because they already have a share of that market. What they’re doing is pulling out of a segment where there was (a bit of) competition, leaving a monopoly behind. If they do that, we can only hope that Intel puts out high-end GPUs to compete in that market, otherwise it’s Nvidia or nothing.

    Nvidia already had the biggest share of the high-end market, but now they’re the only player.

    GoodEye8,

    It’s already Nvidia or nothing. There’s no point fighting with Nvidia in the high end corner because unless you can beat Nvidia in performance there’s no winning with the high end cards. People who buy high end cards don’t care about a slightly worse and slightly cheaper card because they’ve already chosen to pay premium price for premium product. They want the best performance, not the best bang for the buck. The people who want the most bang for the buck at the high end are a minority of a minority.

    But on the other hand, by dropping high end cards AMD can focus more on making their budget and mid-range cards better instead of diverting some of their focus on the high end cards that won’t sell anyway. It increases competition in the budget and mid-range section and mid-range absolutely needs stronger competition from AMD because Nvidia is slowly killing mid-range cards as well.

    Naz,

    TIL, I’m a minority of a minority.

    Overclocked a $800 AMD 7900XTX to 3.4 GHz core with +15% overvolt (1.35V), total power draw of 470W @86°C hotspot temp under 100% fan duty cycle.

    Matches the 3DMark score in Time Spy for an RTX 4090D almost to the number.

    https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/a88cb6ee-dff5-4953-a2f7-1304dff6422b.jpeg

    63 FPS @ 1440p Ray Tracing: Ultra (Path Tracing On) in CP2077

    https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/40f2a4e6-45c7-48f6-8587-1da5e5b5f002.jpeg

    GoodEye8,

    Steam hardware survey puts 4090 at 1.16% and 7900xtx at 0.54%. That means if we look at only the 4090s and 7900xtx-s then just between the two of them the 7900xtx makes up about a third of the cards. So yeah, you are a minority of a minority.

    As for this number jargon. I’m not exactly sure what you’re trying to prove here but I’m sure you’re comparing an overclocked card to a stock card and if you’re saying it’s matching the 4090D then you’re not actually matching the 4090. 4090D is weaker than 4090, depending on the benchmark it ranges between 5% weaker to 30% weaker. If you were trying to prove that AMD cards can be as good as Nvidia cards then you’ve proven that even with overclocking the top of the line AMD card can’t beat a stock top of the line Nvidia card.

    MDCCCLV,

    As always, buying a used previous gen flagship is the best value.

    simple,

    They’ll sell out anyways due to lack of good competition. Intel is getting there but still have driver issues, AMD didn’t announce their GPU prices yet but their entire strategy is following Nvidia and lowering the price by 10% or something.

    TonyOstrich,

    Weird completely unrelated question. Do you have any idea why you write “Anyway” as “Anyways”?

    It’s not just you, it’s a lot of people, but unlike most grammar/word modifications it doesn’t really make sense to me. Most of the time the modification shortens the word in some way rather than lengthening it. I could be wrong, but I don’t remember people writing or saying “anyway” with an added “s” in anyway but ironically 10-15 years ago, and I’m curious where it may be coming from.

    Mac,

    Don’t pick on the parseltongue.

    simple,

    I guess I’m used to saying it since I spent a long time not knowing it’s the wrong pronunciation for it.

    TonyOstrich,

    Interesting. Thanks.

    Blisterexe,

    I also write anyways that way, and so does everyone I know, I think it’s a regional thing

    emeralddawn45,

    grammarist.com/usage/anyways/

    Although considered informal, anyways is not wrong. In fact, there is much precedent in English for the adverbial -s suffix, which was common in Old and Middle English and survives today in words such as towards, once, always, and unawares. But while these words survive from a period of English in which the adverbial -s was common, anyways is a modern construction (though it is now several centuries old).

    TonyOstrich,

    Schrödinger’s word. Both new and old, lol

    sturmblast,

    AMD is the competition.

    SaltySalamander,

    AMD hasn't been truly competitive with nVidia in quite a long time.

    sturmblast,

    AMD has been taking over market share slowly but surely. And the console gaming market… and the portable gamimg market… and the chips out perform intel chips over and over. But ya sure.

    SaltySalamander,

    I don't dispute that AMD is eating Intel's lunch, but performance-wise, AMD has nothing for nVidia. And that's what the discussion is about, performance.

    tburkhol,

    So much of nvidia’s revenue is now datacenters, I wonder if they even care about consumer sales. Like their consumer level cards are more of an advertising afterthought than actual products.

    MDCCCLV,

    You have to keep inflation in mind. 550 would be 450 2019 dollars.

    KamikazeRusher,

    Yeah, I keep forgetting how much time has passed.

    Bought my first GPU, an R9 Fury X, for MSRP when it launched. The R9 300 series and GTX 900 series seemed fairly priced then (aside from the Titan X). Bought another for Crossfire and mining, holding on until I upgraded to a 7800 XT.

    Comparing prices, all but the 5090 are within $150 of each other when accounting for inflation. The 5090 is stupid expensive. A $150 increase in price over a 10-year period probably isn’t that bad.

    I’m still gonna complain about it and embrace my inner “old man yells at prices” though.

    Strider,

    Don’t forget to mention the huge wattage.

    More performance for me is more identical fps at the same amount of power.

    TachyonTele, do games w Sony is working on Horizon Zero Dawn and Helldivers 2 movies

    I like the story, it’s a neat concept. But a Sony movie about it is probably the last thing I’m interested in.

    Unless it stars Dakota Johnson, Aaron Taylor-Johnson, and Jared Leto.

    XeroxCool,

    TIL who Aaron Taylor-Johnson is and that he’s continuing the tradition of having two Marvel characters

    TachyonTele, (edited )

    He’s a 50-50 actor. When he’s good, like in Kickass and Bullettrain, he’s real good. But when he’s bad he’s absolutely horrible, like Godzilla and every superhero movie he’s been in.

    Edit. I want to add that I didn’t even realize it was him in Bullet Train until half way through. He’s pretty entertaining in it.
    The movie itself suffers from a “im sooo smart and clever” syndrome that some movies have. Johnson and whoever played the girl are the good parts of that movie.

    TheFonz,

    Jared Leto? Really? The sexaholic cult leader?

    XeroxCool,

    I beleive it was a complaint about those 3 actors. “it’s almost the least interesting thing, scoring higher than only these 3 features”

    TachyonTele,

    Thank you

    TachyonTele,

    Jokes? Really? In written form?

    TheFonz,

    My bad i got wooshed good haha I deserve it. Im leaving it up tho so I get the down votes I deserve

    TachyonTele,

    Lol i respect that.

    Zarxrax, do games w Nvidia Announces RTX 50's Graphic Card Blackwell Series: RTX 5090 ($1999), RTX 5080 ($999), RTX 5070 Ti ($749), RTX 5070 ($549)

    LOL, their demo shows Cyberpunk running at a mere 27fps on the 5090 with DLSS off. Is that supposed to sell me on this product?

    Poopfeast420,
    @Poopfeast420@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    The 4090 gets like sub 20fps without DLSS and stuff. Seems like a good improvement.

    kat,
    @kat@orbi.camp avatar

    Barely

    Poopfeast420,
    @Poopfeast420@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    50% improvement not enough for you?

    kat,
    @kat@orbi.camp avatar

    Not every game has frame gen… not everybody wanna introduce lag to input. So 50% is 100% sketchy marketing. You can keep your 7 frames, Imma wait for 6090

    Poopfeast420,
    @Poopfeast420@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    Both figures are without DLSS, FG, whatever. Just native 4k with Path Tracing enabled, that’s why it’s so low.

    The sketchy marketing is comparing a 5070 with a 4090, but that’s not what this is about.

    kat,
    @kat@orbi.camp avatar

    Like I said, I base performance without frame gen. 5090 is not twice as powerful as a 4090, which they advertise, without frame gen.

    WereCat,

    Whether it’s 50% or 200% it’s pointless if the avg FPS can’t even reach the bare minimum of 30.

    Poopfeast420,
    @Poopfeast420@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    What does that have to do with anything?

    Blackmist,

    Their whole gaming business model now is encouraging devs to stick features that have no hope of rendering quickly in order to sell this new frame generation rubbish.

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