Jesus. That pattern someone recognized with the releases of the toolset for each game might have been right on the money. The last game it took 6 months. The previous game was 3. Before that it was under 2. Starfield’s will come in a year 😩
Is he talking about trying the paid mod thing again…? Because the game’s been moddable since day 1 (or -7, if you don’t count the early access as day 1), and the nexus is already full of mods, including the script extender…
I’m sure he’s just talking about the Creation Kit toolset. We can do script related things and add models and textures; we can’t add new locations or NPCs afaik without the toolset. Or at least, nowhere near as easily. If it can be done, I’d like to read up on that.
Eh, it’s all the same 26 year old gamebryo engine, we can probably just use the Skyrim tools. Or the Morrowind ones. Hell, at this point modders have probably made their own better ones, like they made the script extender, and wrye bash, and whatnot. 🤷♂️
The mods made by creation kit, and the mods made using script extenders arent the same kind of mods.
CK allows modding in custom NPCs, followers and more models, as well as modifying vanilla asset models in the game easier (part of the reason why the only thing you see in modding space are texture swaps and full model swaps) as well as quest mods. These are the types of mods you see like in skyrim that can be enabled by console as well.
Script extenders enable mods that rewrite how the game functions, be it physics, adding new interactions and such.
It’s really disappointing the game hasn’t released with mod support. People are making do by editing a few scripts, but full mod support would’ve helped this game so much out of the gate.
it's definitely a full release. i'm like 20 hours in and just scratching the surface with no real bugs to speak of. it's just not mind-blowingly amazing and there are too many loading screens. it's fun enough to entertain me until phantom liberty drops.
Agreed. Holy fuck are there so many unique quests with full voicing (at about 20 hours in). I've heard people say they aren't getting that "losing yourself accidentally seeing five different POIs", but it's definitely still there in a different package.
I get that by going to do one quest, having to stop off at other planets along the way, where I'll poke my head in and talk to whatever named NPCs I see, who'll inevitably give me a few quests, some of which lead to other places where I'll pick up other quests.
It was especially apparent with some random side quest somebody gave me in New Atlantis where I just had to go get a dead drop package from some other planet, which turned out to be the site of the Red Mile which is its own sort of arena/quest that I then enjoyed in the middle of the other quest. I've just been ping ponging around like that picking up stuff and stopping now and again to knock a few out.
The game is fine, and what most people who play Bethesda RPGs expected (or even better).
Also, if I’m not mistaken, previous Beth RPGs released without official mod support and had it added later as well. Almost no game by any company has released with official mod support; almost no game even has official mod support.
I don’t even understand the delays. They have claimed that the tools they release are the same tools they use to build out their games. Shouldn’t they already have working tools? And what really changes between the games that I can’t just use Fallout 4’s or Skyrim’s creation kit? I’ve always found this to be odd.
The tools are usually stripped down versions of their internal kits. At least, that’s what I’ve read on the topic. I don’t actually know whether that’s entirely true or to what extent if it is.
The other reason may also have to do with console modding. Getting that set up or whatever.
When Bethesda launches mod support, they will do it as a Creation Platform. They don’t want mods to merely exist, they want to control its presentation.
I always marvel at how Grim Dawn isn’t in the conversation. It’s easily top tier, has no microtransactions, is single player offline, but also supports co-op multiplayer. It features a full cosmetic system that is entirely in-game with no cash shop nonsense. There are so many skills and builds with an outstanding itemization system. Robust crafting system. Repeatable end game challenge content.
Also, it is just recieving another huge free patch, and another full expansion has just been announced.
It took me forever to actually try it, I thought it was going to be janky indie stuff etc. I’m closing on 3000 hours and still dropping back in with new build themes and ideas. I paid $35 for that 3000 hours in a Steam sale.
But yea, Last Epoch is ok I guess.
Edit: a word
Edit 2: just to add since I saw a comment about multiplayer, there is a community run seasonal ladder League as well. Grim League, for those interested.
Yeah so many people have missed out on Grim Dawn. It’s a bit sad it doesn’t have multiplayer but in the grand scale of things its what a lot of people wanted with D4. Let me play Singleplayer offline! This game does it. And boy does it do it well.
I played all current dlcs and the base game on separate occasions alone and with my friends and the game never really clicks for me. I don’t know what it is but it never got as fun as many other arpgs for me. Doubt that I will look at this new expansion as it feels I could have more fun spending my time with another game instead. Kind of weird as I have over a hundred hours and like the game genre but… Yeah.
It’s just old. People talked about it back when it came out. POE I think gets recognized because it’s free to play (with DLC/MTX). I’ve played every ARPG under the sun and Last Epoch is one of the best I’ve ever played. It feels like the real successor to Diablo II
The biggest difference is that PoE gets huge expansions every 3-4 months with new content while Grim Dawn only mostly gets numeric patches. Yeah there’s a new expansion on the horizon, but it’s been a good while…
Give it a try on the high seas. I did and I ended up buying it because it really is that good. I never interacted with a cash shop in my entire time playing
… On the story. Their priority is the story. The cash shop is quite recent and the time it takes to develop isn’t even in the same universe as story content. Story content requires developing new zones, new enemy types, voice acting… They spent tons of time developing multiplayer, that’s a huge undertaking by itself where they are improving constantly. They just reworked some quests and remade the tylesets of some campaign zones. Developing the cash shop can’t have been more than 5% of the time they spent developing last year.
Either you don’t know about development in general, you are blinded by rage with the drama they had with the release of the cash shop (which they reworked) or you are being malicious. I’m guessing 1 or 2.
I’ve seen early access games that go their entire dev cycle without adding real-cash shops. this pervasive idea that microtransactions are just an acceptable thing in any new game has me absolutely incredulated.
it doesn’t matter how long it takes to develop, putting a cash shop in an unfinished game is a bad move optics wise.
Holy shit that borderlands 3 "turn the generator on" quote nails why I struggle to push through for the really fun gunplay half the time. They really do just vomit words at you.
It’s so funny how people who have no idea about linguistics/communications have such strong know-it-all attitudes about how people communicate. Remember the phenomenon of vocal fry? All the youtube vids like “i discovered this thing that millennial wimmin do and once you notice you’ll HATE IT.” and they just describe vocal fry which is just an absolutely normal part of speech and done by men just as much as women.
I don’t really understand the decision here, wouldn’t it be better to just put out a notice saying that it won’t see any more updates, discount it, and then move on? A lot of people like it, so I doubt it would require any real work.
Then again, if the OP actually did steal assets, I can understand taking it down to limit liability.
I’m actually quite surprised that nobody has stumbled across that 2014 “Moonlight Jelly” and discovered it was his bandcamp. This is a trove of 2010s vaporwave that I’m glad to have on my radar now!
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