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pivot_root, (edited ) do games w Denuvo and DRM punish the consumer, legendary PC developer says

Executives everywhere:

“When we introduce digital rights management technology to our products, we do it to protect our bottom line loyal customers. DRM technology enables us to forgo server-authoritative anticheat provide a more consistent and fair gameplay experience, preventing us from having to spend money on servers cheaters and hackers from impacting your enjoyment. We work extensively with our software vendors to ensure that we add checks everywhere the impact on performance and usability is negligent, and you can’t use cheats to bypass our microtransactions your experience is optimal. While we understand that some individuals may feel upset with the permissions required by our DRM and anticheat technology, we can assure you that we don’t give a fuck about take the utmost care in protecting your privacy and safety.”

UlyssesT, do piracy w Legendary PC developer says Denuvo is “a punishment to the consumer”

“Postal” is such a steaming pile of edgelord shit that even Civvie11 doing videos on the franchise doesn’t make it any more bearable for me.

Critical support for this developer’s message here, that said.

axont,

I appreciate Postal 2 because the premise is kinda funny. It’s deliberately designed so you can beat it without doing any violence at all. You’re given tasks like get milk, pick up your paycheck, etc. And it involves standing in lines or people berating you. You’re stuck doing tedious annoying repetitive tasks, or you can get a flamethrower. I think standing in line to get Gary Coleman’s autograph takes 90 minutes if you do it normally.

Otherwise it’s very silly early 2000s edgy white guy dudebro humor

UlyssesT, (edited )

You’re stuck doing tedious annoying repetitive tasks, or you can get a flamethrower.

That premise, while cute, hasn’t aged well for me. The ever-rising number of chanlords shooting up their schools (and elder chanlords murder-suiciding their own families) because no one would blow them behind the bleachers (or because the wife left him or the kids won’t call anymore) sours the premise of “wouldn’t it be funny to murder everyone that mildly annoyed you” white guy dudebro humor for me long ago.

winkerjadams,

Yo its a video game

UlyssesT,

“Yo its a video game”

Yeah, and that changes nothing about why I don’t like it. You’re giving a lazy thought terminating cliche here.

EDIT: Christ, you activated a long dormant alt account just to stan for your edgy video game? That’s just sad.

winkerjadams,

This is my only lemmy account and I made it before reddit killed 3rd party apps as I quit going on there. Going through my post history to try and judge me is something weird to do though

UlyssesT,

Going through my post history to try and judge me is something weird to do though

Rising from dormancy while otherwise doing nothing with that account, just to announce how mad you are that your edgy game wasn’t to my liking is weirder to me.

“Yo its just an opinion”

winkerjadams,

I comment when I have something relevant to say and typically delete mean shit after typing it out cause morons like you aren’t worth my time.

Have a nice life man. Hope you find something you can enjoy your time at instead of whatever it is you’re doing.

UlyssesT,

I comment when I have something relevant to say and typically delete mean shit after typing it out cause morons like you aren’t worth my time.

Surely someone must be a moron if they don’t like your edgy video game! What an emergency! And I’m so not worth your time that you’re still replying, you foaming frothing edgy gamer stereotype. frothingfash

Have a nice life man. Hope you find something you can enjoy your time at instead of whatever it is you’re doing.

Your passive aggression and petty concern trolling attempt, because I didn’t like your edgy video game, is noted and will receive all the consideration it deserves. kirby-wave

sugar_in_your_tea, do games w Denuvo and DRM punish the consumer, legendary PC developer says

Yeah, how about… no DRM and instead focus on making games people want to buy. It seems to work well for CD Projekt Red, and surely it would work for others as well.

Piracy is a service problem, not a price problem.

HipHoboHarold,

I actually go to GOG first when possible specifically for this reason.

sugar_in_your_tea,

I use Linux, and Steam just works better for me than GOG. I also switch between my Steam Deck and Linux desktop, and Steam just makes that seamless.

I like the idea of GOG, but Steam just works better in the service department.

Naz, do games w Denuvo and DRM punish the consumer, legendary PC developer says

I bought Baldur’s Gate 3 on launch day, within the hour, not even realizing the GOG version was DRM-free. We could’ve pirated the game but all four of my friends bought it.

Oneeightnine, do games w Lords of the Fallen devs are worried there are so many soulslikes
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“Man stuck in traffic fails to realise he is in fact, the traffic”

Barky, do games w Lords of the Fallen devs are worried there are so many soulslikes

There’s a large contingent (me included) who will play every souls like if it is good. The quality should be the main concern.

Elderos,

It is a double-edged sword for a dev. When a genre is over-satured (which most arent) there is usually a large player pool of potential customers but you’re competing with so many games that realistically your game needs to be really amazing to compete. Reason is that there is so many soul-like that a lot of players have a backlog of games to play already, and unless yours reach top 10 or something, there could be dozens and dozens of games that are simply more enticing than yours, meaning the average gamer will never make it to playing your game.

Making a game that makes it to the top on a saturated genre is simply very hard, and a very risky business decision.

toastus,

That’s true.

I may play this at some point, but I am surely not buying it while I have DS2 unfinished, because I started ER, DS3 and Sekiro wait in my Steam Library and Epic gave away Nioh.

Damn I have a full time job and Soulslikes are not the only games I enjoy.

I think even From software alone publishes games faster than I finish them.

DeriHunter, (edited )

Yup came here to say something similar. As long as there’s quality they’ll be fine and in this specific case - if they’ll deliver what their showing and not over promising they’ll do way more then fine, the gameplay video looks awesome. I hope this what we get

Blackmist, do piracy w Legendary PC developer says Denuvo is “a punishment to the consumer”

Crackers: We don’t do it for the piracy, we just like the challenge.

Denuvo: Try this one then.

Crackers: Too hard bro, at least give us a chance!

I acknowledge that this isn’t going to be a popular opinion in a piracy sub, but the main reason people hate Denuvo is that it works.

It’s basically killed the entire game hacking scene, because by the time they break it, nobody is interested in the game any more. There’s like one person left that can do it, and they’re more than a little bit odd.

It may be “anti-consumer”, but you know what was worse? All the other shit they tried on PC. Always online bullshit. Single player games that you couldn’t save any more if your connection wobbled. Actual rootkits.

space_comrade,

Death to the concept of intellectual property and all but I’ve never actually felt Denuvo making problems for me when I played a game using it, you’re right it seems to be working as advertised.

I’m still hoping someone to crack it in a more reliable and fast manner, fuck large gamedev companies and their profit margins.

Blackmist,

I’ve definitely played games that used it, and I wouldn’t even have known without the handful of negative steam reviews shouting about it.

Sethayy,

“I’m too stupid to notice the difference so it must not exist”

ne0phyte,

People hate Denuvo because it requires a regular connection to the Internet and has a big impact on the performance of games.

I’m not buying these games not because I can’t pirate games with Denuvo (I don’t really pirate games at all anymore) but because they tend to run like shit.

MonkderZweite,

I pirate because the original runs like shit.

jsdz,

I haven’t pirated any actual software since the 1990s (too cowardly) but my hatred for Denuvo and the like burns with unsurpassed intensity. I will never knowingly buy a game that includes it. “Anti-tampering” indeed. I’m not sure if that shit should be legally allowed at all, but certainly not in ordinary mass-market PC games.

It does require you be online, and it is essentially a “rootkit.” Its malware features are more polite and better hidden than some of the worst of what has been tried before, but that just adds to the danger that it might be seen as acceptable by people who don’t know any better.

SlippyCliff76,

I’ve seen Denuvo combined with the always online requirement with the latest Far Cry 6 on steam. The always online requirement makes a cracked version worth it in my use case.

Blackmist,

Most bad Denuvo stuff seems to come from any extra DRM they add as well, just in case Denuvo wasn’t enough. Always online sounds like one of those extras, because I don’t think it’s part of Denuvo itself. I think the Denuvo online requirements are when you install, every X days (seems to vary from two weeks to a month, probably configurable per game), and when you change your hardware configuration.

Denuvo alone is enough, because as soon as Denuvo is removed, the rest can be removed by regular mortal hackers.

gjghkk,

I acknowledge that this isn’t going to be a popular opinion in a piracy sub, but the main reason people hate Denuvo is that it works.

You act like this is some hidden secret lmao. You should change your name to Captain OBVIOUS.

AOCapitulator,
@AOCapitulator@hexbear.net avatar

damn you fucking got their ass

BrownianMotion, do piracy w Legendary PC developer says Denuvo is “a punishment to the consumer”
@BrownianMotion@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Release a DEMO, like the old days. So we can DECIDE FOR OURSELVES!!

Its a simple fucking technique. We only pirate to try, if its shit - then fuck you. If its good - then you have a purchase.

Alimentar,

That’s the problem though. They want you to commit to a purchase and hope that you forget about your 2h grace window

isVeryLoud,

You can return games on Steam tbh, enough of a demo for me if you’re a Steam user.

I think you can also return physical copies? Depends.

Cethin,

Two hours really isn’t enough for a lot of games. Some games you can’t even get through the tutorial in two hours.

PosadistInevitablity,
@PosadistInevitablity@hexbear.net avatar

I mean I just pirate it and play the pirated version lmfao.

No sense in paying money at that point

vacuumflower,

Actually yes.

In my childhood it wasn’t very easy to find a licensed copy (TBF, even pirate copy sometimes), but demos would be distributed with magazines etc.

And after playing a demo which you like a licensed honestly bought copy becomes emotionally much better than piracy.

It was a working mechanism. For games which are not crap anyway.

bpmd, do games w Lords of the Fallen devs are worried there are so many soulslikes

Is that Ludo?

azerial, do piracy w Legendary PC developer says Denuvo is “a punishment to the consumer”

Even the devs hate denuvo. It slows down the build times and makes it hard to debug.

gjghkk,

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  • BeardedGingerWonder,

    The publisher? The business types?

    gjghkk,

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  • Sasuke,
    @Sasuke@hexbear.net avatar

    Again, the developer chooses to work with these publishers beforehand, right?

    have you ever been employed anywhere in your life? have you ever had to pay bills, rent?

    gjghkk,

    Yes, of course. But what has that anything to do with employees? Developers are not employees, they are the developing company.

    Clever_Clover,
    @Clever_Clover@hexbear.net avatar

    what? that’s just false, developers are people, they are employed to develop the game, usually their employer is the game studio.

    s0ykaf,
    @s0ykaf@hexbear.net avatar

    i think what he means is that the “developer” has the power because he “develops” the games and without him the games can’t be “developed”

    it’s a silly way of mistaking a role for the individual that fulfills it. the role is necessary… not that particular individual

    Fraylor,

    What is it with clowns like this digging their heels in and blaming literally anything but the precious MBAs that are plaguing and ruining literally everything about modern society.

    Piers,

    In the comment you replied to they meant video game development companies by “developers” not the individual employees at those companies who do the actual work of developing games. Typically the actions of video game development companies are driven by the MBAs who have most of the big picture decision making power rather than the individual employees who develop the games.

    Spore,

    the developer chooses to work with these publishers beforehand

    What kind of paradise are you living in?

    gjghkk,

    The developer company has a choice. They rather maybe not prefer it, but that’s what it is. But saying the word “hate” is wrong.

    kebabslob,

    Bruh… Developing is a job. Hello? You ever have a job before? The developers don’t just work for there selves? Knock knock who’s there? Oh nobody, just, ya know a BOSS… Ya mighta heard of it? No, I don’t mean the movie Boss Baby

    Piers,

    Everyone in this thread is failing to understand that “developers” in this context can mean both “people who develop videogames” and “businesses that develop videogames.” As the people who develop videogames are not always the ones who make decisions like this at businesses that develop videogames those two different things that everyone is using the same word for often have opposing positions on the matter.

    altima_neo,
    @altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

    Lol what

    In most cases, the studios that can afford denuvo are also owned by the publisher. Like Sega, ea, and Activision.

    Clever_Clover,
    @Clever_Clover@hexbear.net avatar

    so whenever your boss tells you to do something you think is not the correct course of action you just quit right? you just leave your job without having another one lined up and probably risk losing your home, all because your boss told you to this thing you find annoying, you don’t have a choice to work or not work, the choice is to work or starve, which is not a choice.

    gjghkk,

    Hating is a strong word. Dislike, maybe.

    Clever_Clover,
    @Clever_Clover@hexbear.net avatar

    even if they do hate it and consider it to be the work of the devil, they still don’t really have a choice, game development is a really competitive industry, if devs aren’t leaving their jobs when the studio makes them overwork 80 hour work weeks right before release for a month in order to hit the deadline then they’re definitely not leaving just because they hate having to implement denuvo.

    s0ykaf,
    @s0ykaf@hexbear.net avatar

    but it’s not like they had a gun on their head.

    they do have a metaphorical gun in the form of bills that need to be paid…

    gjghkk,

    It’s still a choice. I have been on the bad end of these deals and I just said no. I was fired and all.

    I don’t think they hate it, they just not prefer it. But saying the word “hate” means that it is their line that they won’t cross, which is false.

    Mars,
    @Mars@beehaw.org avatar

    So why would anyone hate Denuvo? Nobody is forcing you to play Denuvo-using games. It was your choice.

    hex,

    Nah the Devs definitely get forced to use Denuvo by corporate… Stockholders and such. Denuvo gets advertised as the best anti piracy method and stockholders see that and say I want that in our game.

    azerial,

    Not if you work for a massive publisher.

    edit: or if you publish under one. It’s likely in your contract. Devs really don’t want to use it, but they are required to do so.

    Flax_vert, do piracy w Legendary PC developer says Denuvo is “a punishment to the consumer”

    I think the best way is to just have basic piracy detection, if someone trips it, then have a message that you can get past appearing guilt tripping them for it lmao

    CluelessDude,

    Back to OG times in gaming where you would have stupid hats saying pirate or other weird things happening in game like not being able to complete it if it was cracked, good times.

    Oha, do games w Denuvo and DRM punish the consumer, legendary PC developer says

    rws my beloved

    cyberpiggy, do piracy w Legendary PC developer says Denuvo is “a punishment to the consumer”

    Basically lit the fuse to keep people pirating…

    boog, do piracy w Legendary PC developer says Denuvo is “a punishment to the consumer”

    Do I need to repeat the Gabe Newell line again?

    Kolanaki,
    !deleted6508 avatar

    “Piracy is a service problem?”

    altima_neo,
    @altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

    “These things… they take time” -Gabe Newell

    Never_Sm1le, (edited )
    @Never_Sm1le@lemdro.id avatar

    I have always wanted to be a giant space crab?

    WhyIDie,

    “Cash rules everything around me, C.R.E.A.M., get the money”

    jray4559, do piracy w Legendary PC developer says Denuvo is “a punishment to the consumer”
    @jray4559@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    It is bad for the consumer… but the alternative is instant cracks, as seen with a lot of games on r/Crackwatch that don’t have the DRM.

    Denuvo is the first software in a long time that has been able to successfully stop the supposedly inevitable march to cracking. It’s a miracle that more AAA devs don’t use it, since it works so well. (EMPRESS aside)

    You can hate me all you want for saying this, but the war against piracy, for the most part, has been won.

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