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Nuke_the_whales, do games w 'AI is coming for all of us:' Mass Effect, Metal Gear Solid, and Baldur's Gate voice actor Jennifer Hale weighs in on SAG-AFTRA's games industry strike

That’s good. A game can’t hold an unlimited amount of NPC interactions, and just get repetitive. Ai isn’t taking your job if it’s not possible for you to give me endless dialogue.

KeenFlame,

Idk why you are downvoted. It’s sad, tragic even, but your comment is interesting and I wanna know how you think about generated content. Do you want infinite immersion?

MajorHavoc,

Idk why you are downvoted.

Calling unions “legacy institutions” is a dangerous take that could get some of our kids or grandkids killed in coal mines.

I’ll admit my kids aren’t perfect, but they deserve better than to be victims of the current blatant strategic communications agenda to turn their kids into wage slaves at age 8, so that Elon Musk can build an even bigger penis shaped rocket.

KeenFlame,

Okay. But they didn’t.

helpmyusernamewontfi,

Calling unions “legacy institutions” is a dangerous take

wrong post

MajorHavoc,

Thanks! That is the thread I thought I replied to.

I’m gonna claim my Lemmy client got lost. Or maybe I just got lost in the context.

Nuke_the_whales,

I just feel that you can’t say a machine is replacing you, when it’s doing something you’re not capable of, which is to provide infinite, responsive responses and dialogue. I’m not saying these voice actors aren’t needed or should be screwed over. Why not dialogue a character, pay the actor, and ai can generate the infinite responses. Pay the actor a premium for this.

Ai I can also see being great for NPC and enemy reactions.

I remember playing Manhunt back in the day and being intrigued by the ability to use my mic to distract enemies, and some games that let you respond by mic, and I hoped that would go somewhere but it can’t, not without Ai.

KeenFlame,

Makes sense, that’s what I was referring to. What kind of interactions are you thinking that you would enjoy to have? As an example. (sorry if it seems strange to be asked, I’m a game designer and these things are very interesting to me :))

Nuke_the_whales,

If I could take Skyrim as an example, I would love a VR game where I can walk up to an NPC and ask about the city I’m in, or where to find a place and have the NPCs say more than “good day sir” over and over. Of course I’m asking a bit much at this point, but I have seen some videos I hope are real where people test out ai NPCs

KeenFlame,

Yes, I have always thought about what it would feel with actual immersion, the kind that can only come from infinite content areas. An mmo role-playing server or similar games that have generative content. Now I think it will feel like it does with other content areas, such as if you don’t complete all levels of a game like candy crush, that it has a different taste than something with “technically” infinite content. If the type of player whose enjoyment is immersion based it has major potential once context issues for local models can be improved.

TropicalDingdong, do games w 'AI is coming for all of us:' Mass Effect, Metal Gear Solid, and Baldur's Gate voice actor Jennifer Hale weighs in on SAG-AFTRA's games industry strike
@TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world avatar

Idk. Like, I’m sure some of you have seen the most recent gen-AI stuff, but its like, un-fucking-canny.

I don’t know where this all goes, but its happening so fast, I’m sure legacy institutions like unions are going to struggle to keep up.

GBU_28,

Yep. Imagine 10 full years from now. Not long in the span of a career.

TropicalDingdong,
@TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world avatar

10 years? Bruh 10 months. I saw some stuff recently that was image gen, and there is not a fucking chance I would be able to say it was or wasn’t generated. Like I do some aspects of this shit for a living and I’m fucked.

Code generation, image and video generation, voxel generation, voice generation.

We’re fucked. This is like, seeing the iceberg in that minute before it hits on the titantic.

GBU_28,

I think it won’t be fully “entrenched” and “corporate” I’m 10 mo but point taken. They’re certainly striving for it

CaptainBasculin, do gaming w The eagerness to grave dance on unpopular games has become a bad habit

Not running on linux = no buy

BlackLaZoR, do games w Bethesda Game Studios developers form 'wall to wall' union that includes artists, designers, and programmers
@BlackLaZoR@kbin.run avatar

Their games are shit - Starfailed was garbage, Fallout 3 and 4 are running on the same engine designed for... Oblivion 20 years ago. They can't write jack shit, and the optimization is a joke.

I hope they go bankrupt

Weslee,

I think their games are great. And I think the Creation Engine is great, the amount of immersion I get and amount of hours I spend playing fallout, oblivion, Skyrim, morrowind is second to none. The mod support is endless, they were in a league of their own when it came to RPGs

Granted they have slipped a little (okay alot) lately but that doesn’t take away from their past works.

meco03211,

You can think the creation engine is great, but there are simple issues that should have been fixed decades ago they’ve completely ignored. At this point it should be considered an insult to the player base that there needs to be the “unofficial patch” for all games. It would take more time and effort arguing against fixing them, than actually fixing them.

Weslee,

I was under the impression that 99.99% of fixes in the unofficial patches were gameplay related things, not underlying issues with the engine.

I also feel like if every game had the player count and mod support of Bethesda games, they would all have unofficial patches. No game is perfect and bug free, I know Bethesda games are buggier than most, but they are also way more ambitious and have way more content than most (I’m talking pre-starfield here, I haven’t gone back to starfield like I still go back to fallout and elder scrolls)

meco03211,

Gameplay related things on each game is an engine issue. The fixes have already been completed in unofficial patches. It would be pretty much a copy/paste fix in the engine. They have just opted not to.

Weslee,

A misplaced mesh, missing quest dialogue, or invalid NPC navmesh is not an engine issue and is specific to each individual game, these things can’t be fixed in the engine

Bernie_Sandals,
@Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world avatar

It would be pretty much a copy/paste fix in the engine. They have just opted not to.

You either misunderstood the comment you’re replying to or don’t know how the unofficial patch works or both.

99% of what the Unnofficial patch fixes have absolutely nothing to do with the engine. For example, we’ll use the Skyrim Unnoficial Patch, easily the biggest and most popular. It fixes literally nothing in the engine, it fixes certain models not having textures wrapped correctly, it fixes certain meshes or textures having small errors like clipping, it adds a new flag for a town that didn’t have a flag in the original for some reason, the absolute closest it gets to an “engine fix” is fixes for different scripts that sometimes fire incorrectly.

Literally none of these are engine issues or fixes. Sure, they definitely should’ve fixed them before releasing the game, but it’s not like these are engine issues that have somehow persisted for 20 years. They’re very small bugs with models, textures, and scripts, which are all individual game issues, not engine issues.

BlackLaZoR,
@BlackLaZoR@kbin.run avatar

Creation Engine is great

It's objectively not. It was great back when Oblivion came out

oblivion, Skyrim, morrowind

Back then their games were good. But it was long, long time ago.

Bernie_Sandals,
@Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world avatar

It’s objectively not. It was great back when Oblivion came out

It objectively is for their use case. What do you want them to do? Switch to Unreal? Switch to Unity? Switch to any other pre-built engine? They can’t, none of those will work for their use case without major modification.

Want them to create an entirely new engine from scratch? I mean, they could do that, but that would involve throwing away 20 years of innovation and experience on this product and would delay any projects massively.

Want them to massively update their engine? They just did with Starfield’s Creation Engine 2.0, which fixed or improved 90% of their engine issues and is a massive overhaul of their original engine.

This is a company that recently sold for several billion dollars, they’ve undoubtedly had a team investigating what they could to do their engine for at least a decade, and they’ve decided that this path is the only realistic one for them.

But I’m sure you know better than the large team that does this for a living. /s

BlackLaZoR,
@BlackLaZoR@kbin.run avatar

What do you want them to do? Switch to Unreal?

Yep. Unreal is more than capable doing everything they need

They just did with Starfield's Creation Engine 2.0, which fixed or improved 90% of their engine issues

It's the most unoptimized engine out there. It's performance is horrible. And Starfield couldn't even achieve loading screen free planet surface landing like No Man's Sky, or Star Citizen

Weslee,

Out of curiosity, which engine would you say is your favourite? If Bethesda were going to start using a new engine tomorrow, which engine would you hope they would use?

BlackLaZoR,
@BlackLaZoR@kbin.run avatar

If they had to switch now? Unreal Engine.

But what they should do years ago, is to use engineering expertise of IdSoftware they own to create their own engine tailored to their needs.

misterdoctor,

“I don’t personally like their games so I hope all of the hundreds of employees working on them lose their jobs and their families are devastated by life changing hardship”

I think you missed the exit for Reddit, it was back there a ways.

zerog_bandit,

Can you take your shit back to reddit please?

corbin,

“Fortnite and Tekken 8 are running on the same engine designed for… Unreal Tournament 20 years ago.”

runjun, do gaming w A follow-up to the legendary Disco Elysium might have been ready to play within the next year⁠—ZA/UM's devs loved it, management canceled it and laid off the team

Truly heartbreaking

PiratePanPan, do games w God of War Ragnarök will require a PSN account to play on PC
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ampersandrew, do games w The RTS genre will never be mainstream unless you change it until it's 'no longer the kind of RTS that I want to play,' says Crate Entertainment CEO
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

If you miss that old style of game, that’s fine, but there are probably tons of ways to morph the RTS genre that solves its old problems, finds it more success, and still scratches that itch. I’m quite fond of Cannon Brawl, and Tooth and Tail had its issues but was on the right track.

TheDemonBuer, do gaming w Fallout 4's most popular mods are now ones that remove Bethesda's disastrous 'next gen' update
@TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world avatar

I wish I hadn’t installed the update. I was hoping it would make the game run better on the steam deck, but it’s actually worse. I think they’ve increased the graphical fidelity, but it’s come at the expense of the battery. I found a work around to get the game launcher to come up so I could lower the graphics settings to improve battery life, but that doesn’t fix the bugs. They seem to have gotten worse with the update. Never change, Bethesda. Never change.

TheMightyCanuck, do gaming w Fallout 4's most popular mods are now ones that remove Bethesda's disastrous 'next gen' update
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It actually fixed a game breaking crash on Xbox so I’m not gonna complain.

I’m just happy to have the wasteland back

arefx, do gaming w 'Marketing's dead, and I can back this s**t up': Larian's publishing director says players 'just want to be spoken to, and they don't want to be bamboozled'

I’m at least an average intelligence guy, not a genius, but I’m not some compelete idiot. Big game companies treat me like an absolute dumb ass so I don’t bother with their trash (the games are almost always mediocre anyway full of MTX). Just sell me a full working product at a fair price and then charge me for an expansion down the road if you want. Don’t nickel and dime me or promise me.shit I know you can’t deliver. Just talk to me like a human lol

nytrixus, do games w A Konami code variant in Castlevania has been discovered after a quarter of a century

The only reason it’s been that long is because the Castlevania games on the N64 were trash.

Immersive_Matthew, do gaming w Borderlands 3 community scores a big win for science: 'These players have helped trace the evolutionary relationships of more than a million different kinds of bacteria that live in the human gut'

Wow the trailer in the article for the project was fantastic. What a great project.

ExcursionInversion, do games w Spectator rushes stage at CS2 tournament and gets tackled into trophy, smashing it to pieces
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Now they (CSGOEmpire) had teams, casters, and the TO drop their event.

hltv.org/…/participants-withdraw-from-csgoempire-…

Etterra, do gaming w Phil Spencer blames capitalism for games industry woes: 'I don't get [the] luxury of not having to run a profitable growing business'

Cry more rich boy, your tears are delicious.

bjmllr, do gaming w Phil Spencer blames capitalism for games industry woes: 'I don't get [the] luxury of not having to run a profitable growing business'

phil spencer explains market discipline

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