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All online storefronts doing business in California will soon be forbidden by law to lie to customers with words like “buy” when they really mean “license”. GOG is no exception.

…calmatters.org/…/ca_202320240ab2426

blind3rdeye,

My understanding is that GOG is an exception to this. Here is a quote that I got from an Ars Technica article

California’s AB2426 law, signed by Gov. Gavin Newsom Sept. 26, excludes subscription-only services, free games, and digital goods that offer “permanent offline download to an external storage source to be used without a connection to the internet.” Otherwise, sellers of digital goods cannot use the terms “buy, purchase,” or related terms that would “confer an unrestricted ownership interest in the digital good.” And they must explain, conspicuously, in plain language, that “the digital good is a license” and link to terms and conditions.

Since GOG does offer permanent offline installers that can be used without an internet connection, GOG’s sales are exempt from this new law.

asexualchangeling,

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  • blind3rdeye,

    And it is a license. I’m just responding to the comment about the law.

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    Successor of ZA/UM, but not of Disco Elysium unless Kurvitz and Rostov are also involved.

    ArtikBanana,

    Kurvitz and Rostov have their own studio called Red Info.
    Although I haven’t seen anything about what they’re working on.

    DragonTypeWyvern, do games w A Disco Elysium successor studio has been announced for the second time today, meaning there are now 4 companies battling for the title of ZA/UM's true inheritor

    Divided and conquered.

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    I hope they all make a Disco Elysium “sequel”, that was such an awesome game, it should spawn its own genre of gaming.

    CapitalType, do games w Steam's new disclaimer reminds everyone that you don't actually own your games, GOG moves in for the killshot: Its offline installers 'cannot be taken away from you'
    @CapitalType@moist.catsweat.com avatar

    Doesn't owning something mean you can sell it? That doesn't apply to GOG, though.

    UndercoverUlrikHD,
    @UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev avatar

    Put the installer on a USB stick and sell it.* I assume you’ve never gone back to the electronics store where you bought your dishwasher and expected to sell your used dishwasher there.

    fartsparkles, (edited )

    But that’s against the User Agreement with GOG. You don’t have that right, DRM or not.

    GOG are not selling you something you own, just like the rest of the gaming platforms. They just give you the right to download and keep DRM-free installers (for the most part) for games you license / purchase.

    I like GOG, don’t get me wrong, but you don’t own anything you buy from them, you just possess. Ownership means you have control over that possession too which is only really true of a minuscule fraction of FOSS games that are licensed with MIT-0, 0BSD, Unlicense, CC0 or some other public domain license (which doesn’t include GPL, MIT, Apache licenses).

    UndercoverUlrikHD,
    @UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev avatar

    Ownership in terms distribution of digital software is a bit funky I guess, but from a consumers point of view, there’s really nothing GOG/game companies can do once you got the installer. You’re effectively owning the bits on your hard drive and there’s nothing they can do to control what you do with those bits. I guess from a lawyers perspective it may be different, but in practice there isn’t much.

    I’m not sure what you’re getting at with the licenses though? A game licensed under MIT would be free to share, attribution shouldn’t be much of problem.

    fartsparkles,

    MIT still has copyright attribution which means you don’t own it, just have lots and lots of rights. You own the code, but you don’t own the name etc.

    MIT-0 is public domain, there is no copyright by the creators, that right is assigned to all of us. You own that content and idea. It’s why anyone can use Sherlock Holmes and do anything they want with the character as he’s public domain. You don’t have to call him Schmerlock Hoves.

    But yeah, for all intents and purposes to the thread, you’re right. MIT etc you can sell the code/binaries so gives you practical ownership.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    By the definition of this California law, they seem to count as offering ownership.

    umbrella, do games w Steam's new disclaimer reminds everyone that you don't actually own your games, GOG moves in for the killshot: Its offline installers 'cannot be taken away from you'
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  • Burghler,

    Much of the pirated games though will be GOG installers so might as well just install it with lutris/wine

    goat,

    i wouldn’t pirate an indie game tho

    TrickDacy,
    @TrickDacy@lemmy.world avatar

    Unless you already bought it

    missingno, do games w Steam's new disclaimer reminds everyone that you don't actually own your games, GOG moves in for the killshot: Its offline installers 'cannot be taken away from you'
    @missingno@fedia.io avatar

    Even DRM-free, all digital purchases are still just a license, legally speaking.

    Pragmatically speaking, they can't forcibly take the bits off my hard drive. But it also bears pointing out that these days most games on Steam don't bother enabling Steamworks DRM either.

    UndercoverUlrikHD,
    @UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev avatar

    The vast majority of the bestsellers on steam either have normal DRM or DRM via being an online service. At least the bestsellers in 2023.

    CryptoKitten, do games w Steam's new disclaimer reminds everyone that you don't actually own your games, GOG moves in for the killshot: Its offline installers 'cannot be taken away from you'

    I like GOG and I like steam too. While it is true that GOG can’t take the offline installer from me, this does not make it true I can play the game forever since many games are dynamically linked to libraries that may not be available in the future. This happened to me with games I just had bought. Steam also dynamically links to libraries but what I like about the way they are doing it is that these are part of the base installation so as long as you keep these files, the games should keep working. Nothing being perfect, I think they both try to do things in their own way and try to convince us that it is the best one.

    Caligvla, do games w Steam's new disclaimer reminds everyone that you don't actually own your games, GOG moves in for the killshot: Its offline installers 'cannot be taken away from you'
    @Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Sure, and if you don’t uninstall Galaxy, go through some hidden menus and download the installers then your GOG games will be gone regardless.

    Aielman15, (edited )
    @Aielman15@lemmy.world avatar

    You don’t need to ever interact with Galaxy to play your games, not even to download the offline installer. And the download option is not hidden on the website.

    TallonMetroid,
    @TallonMetroid@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s a failure to download the installers to begin with, not them being taken away from you after the fact.

    Dindonmasker, do games w Steam's new disclaimer reminds everyone that you don't actually own your games, GOG moves in for the killshot: Its offline installers 'cannot be taken away from you'
    @Dindonmasker@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Unfortunately the VR game selection in GOG seems pretty slim and they might still need steam VR to run anyways so either way i don’t have much choice.

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