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GlitterInfection, do gaming w I tried two demos of machine learning AI NPCs, and they didn't convince me AI will lead to anything that immersive sims like Deus Ex haven't already done better

Ok. So call me when it’s ready.

I am unimpressed by the nonsense articles like these coming out about early tech.

You won’t convince me that AI can’t exceed “taking an arrow to a knee” quality dialogue repeated over and over, and that shit is still the best immersion we’ve got!

zurohki,

I think we’re going to see major NPCs get their dialog hand-written and background characters get AI dialog.

You could have random shopkeepers ramble on for hours about how their kids are doing in school or trouble they’re having with a delivery company or whatever topic. Nobody’s going to write that, but we could AI generate it.

GlitterInfection,

Exactly!

People are expecting this to take people’a jobs so they’re picking apart the tech instead of paying attention.

Making an NPC be run by AI most likely will require more writing than it does now, but the end result will be worth it for games that strive for immersion.

elshandra,

All your base are belong to AIs

Immersive_Matthew,

To those who embrace and use AI.

UndercoverUlrikHD, do gaming w Ubisoft is stripping people's licences for The Crew weeks after its shutdown, nearly squandering hopes of fan servers and acting as a stark reminder of how volatile digital ownership is
@UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev avatar

It’s a shame, but people are asking for it when they buy, and therefore support, these kind of games. If people simply refused to buy always-online games, we wouldn’t be in this mess.

chuckleslord,

Literally victim blaming. Classy.

original_reader,

Blaming the player goes a bit far, true.

That said, the sad truth is that companies only react when it affects their bottom line.

all-knight-party,
@all-knight-party@kbin.run avatar

Well, there's the other route. If they are forced legally to comply, which is what Ross is trying to get done, and is the far better option alongside being more expensive and difficult, because a company's reaction to finances can be reversed as soon as it doesn't matter or the public forgets.

jyoskykid,

It is general knowledge that these companies do this. FSF has campaigned a lot against DRM, under the name Defective by Design.

When someone makes a contract with the devil and complains when it affects them, pointing it out is not victim blaming.

AeroLemming,

I don’t think it was very well-known in 2014. Besides, “everyone should know that this is a scam” isn’t a reason to make scams legal.

teolan, do gaming w Ubisoft is stripping people's licences for The Crew weeks after its shutdown, nearly squandering hopes of fan servers and acting as a stark reminder of how volatile digital ownership is
@teolan@lemmy.world avatar

If you want to do something about it: www.youtube.com/watch?v=w70Xc9CStoE

supersquirrel,

If you want to do something about it just go play beam.ng or motor town or another racing game from a smaller dev.

all-knight-party,
@all-knight-party@kbin.run avatar

Not the same thing at all. When the Crew is lost, a unique game and its world are lost with it. That's like saying if you want to play something like Metal Gear Solid you can go play Hitman. They're broadly the same genre, but a lot of unique art and experience is lost by just giving up and letting it go the easy way.

umbrella, (edited ) do gaming w Ubisoft is stripping people's licences for The Crew weeks after its shutdown, nearly squandering hopes of fan servers and acting as a stark reminder of how volatile digital ownership is
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  • Amir,
    @Amir@lemmy.ml avatar

    That eats into their profits for their other/new games

    _sideffect, do gaming w Ubisoft is stripping people's licences for The Crew weeks after its shutdown, nearly squandering hopes of fan servers and acting as a stark reminder of how volatile digital ownership is

    Lmao, fuck licenses; pirate it, and we’ll make our own servers.

    They can’t do shit then

    wreckedcarzz,
    @wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

    Afaik nobody has cracked it as it’s always-online, though I’d be happily incorrect about this is one can slide me some sauce. I’m one of the affected players in the shutdown (still play occasionally) so the ability to continue playing this game would be very nice.

    redcalcium,

    Afaik there is no crack for The Crew because it stored your progress on ubisoft’s server and has no local save data.

    DestroyMegacorps,

    So if we need to somehow pirate it we need to break ubisoft drm and rediect the calls for savedata that are supposed to be sent to the servers to a local storage

    redcalcium, (edited )

    There is a possibility that the game actually has a hidden “production mode” where it allows offline play. Make sense though because the game developers must be able to run the game during production where the server hasn’t been up yet. Research into the possibility of reenabling this mode in retail build seems to be losing steam though. Looks like it picked up some steam again: steamcommunity.com/app/…/4306075118785997064/

    rollerbang,

    It can’t not have local save data. It can delete it at exit, sure, but it needs it to load the game properly. Save game extraction might be more complex, but it is still sent to the local machine.

    Unless it’s a streamed game of course.

    redcalcium,

    Seems like it.

    Save Game Dumper now available

    steamcommunity.com/app/…/4306075118785997064/

    seliaste,

    There are cracks that managed this tho Nfs:World and wangan midnight comes to mind

    DoucheBagMcSwag, do gaming w I tried two demos of machine learning AI NPCs, and they didn't convince me AI will lead to anything that immersive sims like Deus Ex haven't already done better

    Thanks for reminding me again that Deus Ex is a dormant IP

    Goddamnit

    daniskarma, do gaming w Ubisoft is stripping people's licences for The Crew weeks after its shutdown, nearly squandering hopes of fan servers and acting as a stark reminder of how volatile digital ownership is

    If buying is not owning, pirating is not stealing.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    The problem is this game can’t even be pirated due to how it’s architected.

    JoeKrogan, do gaming w Ubisoft is stripping people's licences for The Crew weeks after its shutdown, nearly squandering hopes of fan servers and acting as a stark reminder of how volatile digital ownership is
    @JoeKrogan@lemmy.world avatar

    Boycott this shit company

    Veraxus,

    Been doing that for years. Will happily continue.

    But I’m just one person. Ubisoft won’t feel it unless hundreds of thousands more do the same.

    JoeKrogan,
    @JoeKrogan@lemmy.world avatar

    Same

    anonymous111, do gaming w Ubisoft is stripping people's licences for The Crew weeks after its shutdown, nearly squandering hopes of fan servers and acting as a stark reminder of how volatile digital ownership is

    For anyone who doesn’t think this is a problem, watch this video and join this campaign.

    The Crew represent a real chance to change things globally (seriously, watch the video).

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=w70Xc9CStoE

    www.stopkillinggames.com

    PeriodicallyPedantic, do gaming w Ubisoft is stripping people's licences for The Crew weeks after its shutdown, nearly squandering hopes of fan servers and acting as a stark reminder of how volatile digital ownership is

    you’re only allowed to have fun if we control it

    LoamImprovement,

    You’re only allowed to have fun if we can monetize it

    PeriodicallyPedantic,

    I figured it was a micro transaction game. This shit should be covered under right-to-repair.

    original_reader,

    We don’t care if you have fun. You already paid for it.

    rubikcuber, do gaming w I tried two demos of machine learning AI NPCs, and they didn't convince me AI will lead to anything that immersive sims like Deus Ex haven't already done better
    @rubikcuber@feddit.uk avatar

    Most games, especially so called Triple A games, have too much text and NPC dialog. The last thing we need is more of this crap that the developers don’t even care about enough to write. How about we focus on making the gameplay good and not how we can fire more developers?

    Mango, do gaming w Ubisoft is stripping people's licences for The Crew weeks after its shutdown, nearly squandering hopes of fan servers and acting as a stark reminder of how volatile digital ownership is

    As if copies of a game on your computer is somehow more digital than the copy being on a disk or a chip that’s ROM.

    evranch,

    Digital ownership, not storage. As in DRM, GaaS licensing and always-online launchers.

    A ROM cartridge was physical ownership, if you had the cartridge, you could play.

    A CD-key was also a form of physical ownership, install the game and type in the key from the case, you could play.

    richmondez,

    That should be “ownership” as actual ownership implies having control over a thing and no one who “purchased” this seems to have much control. Breaking the DRM and creating a self hosted sever is taking ownership of it. Don’t pretend CD keys were physical ownership either unless the key was entirely validated offline which admittedly older key schemes were.

    DudeDudenson, do gaming w I tried two demos of machine learning AI NPCs, and they didn't convince me AI will lead to anything that immersive sims like Deus Ex haven't already done better

    I’d like to think it’s gonna be used for what it should be. What’s most likely is that it’ll be used to reduce both original VO and Writing

    Be prepared for asset flip dialogue

    undeadfoodsnob, do gaming w Ubisoft is stripping people's licences for The Crew weeks after its shutdown, nearly squandering hopes of fan servers and acting as a stark reminder of how volatile digital ownership is
    @undeadfoodsnob@lemmy.world avatar

    Thanks UbiSoft for rubbing it in my face with this message, “You no longer have access to this game. Why not check the Store to pursue your adventures?”

    the_post_of_tom_joad,

    Urhg that makes me mad to read.

    You no longer have access to my money. Why not kiss my ass Ubisoft, to pursue your adventure?

    xamirozar,

    “Your single-payment rental period is suddenly over. Check out our shop where you can single-payment rent another game.”

    Fixed it for Ubisoft

    Grass, do gaming w I tried two demos of machine learning AI NPCs, and they didn't convince me AI will lead to anything that immersive sims like Deus Ex haven't already done better

    I would feel inclined to use it for some weird shit like if you use an undocumented and never explained method to ask characters questions outside of the choices, they’d pick up their phone and look at you with an uncanny valley/bethesda-like facial expression gain awkward animations and text you the responses even though they weren’t characters you could exchange phone contacts with.

    agressivelyPassive,

    Not even “weird” shit, just variations of similar sentiments on various characters.

    Like, you have a city with hundreds of people on the street, yesterday something noteworthy happened and everyone has an opinion on that. Each NPC gets a bunch of parameters, some pre-defined, some random, and answers based on that.

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