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iamdefinitelyoverthirteen, (edited ) do games w Perspectives on the LISA Series?

It’s a very good game. Very, very good. Pain Mode joyless is a challenge, and joy is super rare in The Painful. I suggest only playing on Pain Mode though. It feels like that’s how the game was intended to be played.

The Joyful was ok. It is still good, but nowhere near as good as The Painful.

There’s also a fan game called The Pointless that is supposedly pretty good, but I haven’t played it.

Also, last year they did a very limited run vinyl soundtrack, WHICH INCLUDED A DOWNLOAD OF THE FUCKING MASTER .FLAC FILES!!! How cool is that!? I am so happy to have snagged it as soon as it was announced.

andros_rex,

The game’s soundtrack is soooo good. Everyone loves “Work Harder” and “666 Kill Chop Deluxe” but “Voices” is a perfect ending.

AnUnusualRelic, do gaming w Oh boy 3AM!
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The nice part is you won’t have to go through all the bother of getting up and getting ready.

Dr_Box, do games w Ubi, it's $70 and people are vary of your mile wide puddles that drop 75% in price after half a year

Nah I think both of these are examples of pandering. The Last Samurai is even worse because there was no reason at all for Tom Cruise to be there historically. Yasuke at least was a real samurai and I think if you were to ignore the fact that ubisoft is obviously pandering for publicity and cash his story isn’t much different than Will Adams’ potrayal in Shogan.

ampersandrew,
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Say what you will about the white savior trope, but wasn’t there a historical reason for Tom Cruise’s character to be there? Japan was accepting foreign influence and modernization at that time, from what I know of history.

Dr_Box,

Yeah I was wrong. He’s based off of Jules Brunet who was a french officer that trained the Tokugawa samurai in the use of modern weaponry of the time. He sided with the resistance against the emperor of Japan until he was evacuated by a french warship later on when the resistance was defeated. He wasnt a samurai by any means but he was a real guy

ampersandrew,
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It’s also not pitched as being based on a true story. I take less issue with him becoming a samurai than surviving the last real samurai, lol.

VitoRobles,

The story’s title is in reference to “The last of the Samurai”, not Tom being a Samurai, and the last one.

Kind of reminds me of Big Trouble in Little China, where the story follows a white guy, and the true heroes are in the background.

That’s the narrative shared by the studio which I begrudgingly accept. Even though the title and Tom being the face of it muddles it a lot. And I also don’t consider it a good movie.

zarathustrad,

I mean, it’s a common trope in story telling to use an outsider protagonist (from the perspective of the people in the story) to allow world building and immersion in the world/culture your story is set within.

So, the “guy with amnesia”, “orphan kid”, “dude in a foreign land”, “time traveler”, “new person in the organization”, “certain types of isekai” tropes all exist to tell a story where the reader/viewer get to learn as they go.

Fairly popular in historical fiction, fantasy, and many other genera.

It makes “Shogun”, “The Last Samurai”, “Marco Polo”, “Big Trouble in Little China”, and others like them more accessible to “Western” aka “white guy” demographics.

I don’t really see an issue with it, when done well.

Tattorack,
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Except The Last Samurai isn’t remotely historical.

Tom Cruise’s is very roughly based in a French admiral. That admiral got sent specifically to Japan to create political relations with a certain faction of Samurai to further French interests there. The French admiral was made samurai as honorary title and put into service of the household.

During the final battle (which was a castle siege, and both sides were using guns), the French admiral was released from service and sent home.

If a movie or a series were to be made of this, and if it were to be somewhat accurate, it’d be closer to a political thriller with some battles in between.

ampersandrew,
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Good thing I was expecting historical fiction then and not a documentary or even a dramatization of true events.

Tattorack,
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It can be a bit of both. You can tell a good story that also stays true to the historical events. Not being being able to do that shows a lack of skill and imagination.

ampersandrew,
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Are you telling me The Last Samurai wasn’t skillfully made or imaginative? Nah, it was no masterpiece, but I liked it just fine. Having some westerners in Japan training their military on modern weaponry as the samurai are fading from relevance passes my threshold for “remotely historical”, and it’s definitely not a requirement for me that Tom Cruise’s character needs to have an American historical analog to meet that criteria. Any historical fiction will inherently have to change things about what actually happened in that era, after all.

Tattorack,
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It was not skillfully made or imaginative. It was a very basic toybox of exotic nonsense about Samurai wrapped around a premise similar to Dances With Wolves.

ampersandrew,
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I think you missed the sarcasm in the rhetorical question, but yes. It’s one of at least three or four movies I’ve seen utilizing the Dances With Wolves trope, though I’ve never seen Dances With Wolves itself, and that’s okay. It was entertaining.

PapstJL4U,
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To tell a story history is not binding. It neither a lack of skill or imagination - it’s an intended. What you have shown is a lack of understanding of the art of telling a story.

Elevator7009sAlt, (edited ) do games w Perspectives on the LISA Series?

I can usually read anything without having issues, but I just read the tropes page for this and this depressing game lived rent-free in my head for too long. And some of the themes are things I can usually read about no problem but actually seeing? Not sure if the game would show it on-screen, but if it did I know I would handle it poorly. Finally, I usually do not want to engage with fiction that depressing, and I am already familiar with some of the themes in real life so I don’t need a good art game to teach me about it or make some commentary. Dark things are usually not cathartic for me, just another painful reminder about the bad things in the world. So I am going to avoid this series and I think others might have the same reasoning. Of course, I’m aware others can like it and that’s totally fine! For others, it can be a good story or help them work through their own traumas. I understand how this series probably has lots of value. It’s just extremely not for me.

andros_rex,

I think the things that make it as good as it is, are the things that also make it really difficult to play and recommend to people.

When I think of sexual violence being handled in video games, I think of True Crime: Streets of LA and the weird gross animation for you to interrupt, or the way that everyone laughs at the Daedra in Morrowind with the necrophilia line. (Or hentai games, but that’s a dark world) Drugs are minor joke items in most games, even with games that have addiction mechanics don’t make your time harder for not doing drugs.

The surrealism and comedic relief break up some of the despair. There is also a lot of catharsis in it. Probably the most important scene in the game is when you confront your father, who is an unspeakable monster, and the player is given a choice whether they want to kill him or not. Regardless of what the player chooses - the character cannot forgive him and will attack. It’s a false choice, which ties so well into the themes of trauma and powerlessness. There’s something about that that is so honest and validating.

OpenPassageways, do games w One-handed games?

Simple two button games like Divekick can be played with one thumb if you want. It’s Steam Deck verified.

Arcane2077, do games w Ubi, it's $70 and people are vary of your mile wide puddles that drop 75% in price after half a year

Ubisoft didn’t post this

celeste, do games w Perspectives on the LISA Series?
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I've heard of it before and considered playing it, but I have a tough time committing to play a game with sexual violence as a theme. It's nothing against the game, which looks interesting. If anyone knows of a good let's play for the series, I'd love to experience it in some way, even if it's a dulled experience.

biofaust, do gaming w Oh boy 3AM!

Bought and installed Elite yesterday for the first time. This is completely true for me today.

shani66, do games w Ubi, it's $70 and people are vary of your mile wide puddles that drop 75% in price after half a year

I hate that nazis glom onto any bad game and ruin the discussion around it.

zecg,
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Hardly ruin, you have to purposefully go find them gloating over Steam charts. But it’s too funny that people really have choice enough now in the good graphics segment that Ubisoft is sinking. It’s my fault, I cursed them when they left Steam for their 4-UAC-prompts-whenever-you-start PoS. They showed total contempt for their users with Breakpoint, tried an nft grift on the side, evolved all cosmetics to clown shoes level and totally failed to offer anything new. Where’s Reflextions? Stuff like Grow Up / Home, metroidvanias on UbiArt Framework? They have great 3D engines and can’t keep a team happy or unfired enough to have people that know how to use it and optimize a game and are able to take some risks with game design. It’s all either heavily monetized multiplayer dreck or incremental QoL features in ever larger and shallower sandboxes in one of few large franchise flavors. There’s not that much to discuss, woo bamboo cutting tech, a new coat of paint and some gimmicks. People claiming it’s failing because it’s either woke or culture appropriating are ascribing cultural import to a happy meal.

cvf,

I agree, I skipped over the latest Prince of Persia for a while because “eww Ubisoft”, but it really is a great mteroidvania.

ShinkanTrain, do games w Ubi, it's $70 and people are vary of your mile wide puddles that drop 75% in price after half a year

Meme of Giancarlo Esposito / Gus adjusting his tie with the caption “You won’t buy Assassin’s Creed Shadows because you’re racist, I won’t buy it because Ubisoft games are shit. We’re not the same”

VitoRobles,

I hate that I’m on the same side as the racists though.

Thanks a lot Ubisoft.

ShinkanTrain,

It’s Far Cry 5 all over again

ascense, do games w Best game ever?

Has to be Outer Wilds for me. I can’t think of any other game that would have left such an impact on me, in such a short amount of time.

sploosh,

I heard how great the Outer Wilds was, so when I saw The Outer Worlds on sale I thought “oh hey sure I’ll buy that for $15” and I was EXTREMELY confused at why people had said it was the best game you could only play once, because that game wasn’t even fun the first time. I later realized my mistake and got the real deal and oh my god I wish I could forget that game and play it again.

JakobFel, do games w Best game ever?
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Well, my personal favorite game of all time is TES 4: Oblivion. The reasons I love that game are numerous but if I were to try to argue for it as being objectively the best game ever…

I guess I could say that the combination of older RPG mechanics with streamlined modern gameplay, mixed with a immensely beautiful fantasy world, flawless soundtrack, epic world-shattering plot, two of the best expansions ever made (KOTN and SI), absurdly legendary guild quests all come together to make it a true work of art.

Vopyr,
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I used to love TES4 too, but after playing Daggerfall and Morrowind, I started to look at Oblivion coldly. The old concept of Oblivion was great, but what was released… meh. But hey, quests in Oblivion are pretty good.

JakobFel,
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I began with Morrowind and I’ve played every TES game (other than those obscure “Travels” games in the early 2000s) but Oblivion remains for me. That said, Daggerfall’s sheer scope in both gameplay and world size is incredible, and Morrowind’s perfect blend of sandbox freedom with an awesome plot definitely do make them candidates as well. I just personally love the entire series and Oblivion was the one that converted me from “fan” to “megafan” so that’s why I go for that one.

Railcar8095, do games w Ubi, it's $70 and people are vary of your mile wide puddles that drop 75% in price after half a year

I learnt the trope of the “white Savior” thanks to last samurai, and that was eons ago.

This is not a case of double standards, it’s plain racism and influencer grifting.

bravesilvernest, do games w Day 252 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games l've been playing until l forget to post Screenshots
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My main racer: bowser. Sure, slow acceleration, but enough mass that at speed you can knock people either in front or behind you into a spin so easily.

MyNameIsAtticus,
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The Heavyweights are fun to play for sure. I love that they can spin people out like you mentioned(even if it does become my worst enemy when I’m playing lighter characters)

ShyCake, do gaming w Oh boy 3AM!

Yeah… I’ve been there.

Sometimes you get the need to rebel against your better judgment. I didn’t regret it, you can go one short night and still function with with a supply of coffee. You just need to be sure to prioritize sleep the nezt night, because after that you lose all cognitive leniency.

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