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HiTekRedNek, do games w I am working on a turn-based wargame, influenced by the old Win3.x era WinWar 2 game

Winwar 2 was based on a dos version of it, btw. I played it all the time with some friends back in the early 1990s.

Lembot_0004,

Yes, actually, but the difference between versions was huge. Almost different games. I reference to version 3.0

Vipsu, do gaming w I'm still in full denial, personally.
@Vipsu@lemmy.world avatar

Have to relate to this somewhat, it’s hard to find time or interest to practice fighting games with all the accumulated responsibilities of being responsible adult and a parent. While boomer reaction time checks are one thing, the bigger problem is having to practice against multiple different matchups in 3-4 different games. Probably should play these online a lot more, currently mostly playing on locals few hours once a week.

supersquirrel, do gaming w I'm still in full denial, personally.

What? I don’t find that at all.

People are too stressed and exhausted to live at a basic level, that tends to impact their ability to game although sometimes it makes them even more competitive with the small amount of time they have… but no I don’t agree at all.

I am far better at video games than I used to be, admittedly I play a lot of them but that only makes my hand eye coordination locked in, the actually “being good” at games has little to do with that most of the time.

absquatulate, do games w Pop it in your calendars

Jesus tapdancing christ is the subnautica fanbase rabid. How about we actually wait and see how the game turns out before we crucify everyone?

I do agree that you should definitely not pre-order it and remove it from your wishlist. But you should’ve done that already.

RvTV95XBeo,

How about we actually wait and see how the game turns out before we crucify everyone?

Why does it matter how the game turns out if the stance is “we don’t want to fund shady developers fucking over content creators”?

absquatulate,

Afaik krafton have been insisting for a while that the game is not ready. Founders disagreed and they were ousted. But seeing as the previous two games were in pretty dire state when they released into EA, I wouldn’t really trust the founder’s word on it. The whole “squirreling out of paying them 250 million” thing seems like speculation, but what do I know.

Besides, the OP is just ragebainting, because we know exactly fuckall about the game’s actual state at this point.

Syrc,

I mean, they’ve just filed a lawsuit against Krafton, to me that says they’re pretty confident about being right.

absquatulate,

Yep, juat read that. Man, what a fuckin’ shitshow is SN2 gonna be.

Fuck krafton

newthrowaway20, do gaming w I'm still in full denial, personally.

Jokes on you. I never had the skills to begin with.

TabbsTheBat, do gaming w I'm still in full denial, personally.
@TabbsTheBat@pawb.social avatar

Happened to me ages ago :3

I don’t play enough competitive games to care anyway tho

CreatingMachines, do games w Krafton Issue Statement Regarding Subnautica 2

Hey, might not have a rat in this race, but I'm gonna wait for a bit, ever since DOOM.

kieron115, do games w Pop it in your calendars

Subnautica is one of those games that’s incredible hard to recreate. Once they started trying to explain every little thing about the aliens I completely lost interest. You may be able to bottle lightning, but you certainly can’t do it twice.

firipu, do games w Pop it in your calendars

But can I still buy the OG subnautica?

CodeBlooded,
@CodeBlooded@programming.dev avatar

Heads up: once in a blue moon it’s on “sale” for free on Epic Games.

(Ask me how I know.)

firipu,

Fuck epic games, but I was happy I didn’t have to buy it a second time on steam to play it with my kid.

I’m just contemplating to get the mobile version of Subnautica.

bananabenana,

I don’t really understand this sentiment. Cheap games are cheap games. Not even steam lets you ‘own’ your gaming library. More game market competition is good not bad.

winkerjadams,

Epic is 1/3rd owned by Tencent. No thank you

i_love_FFT,
@i_love_FFT@jlai.lu avatar

What is the next project of the og subnautica creator?

Konraddo, do games w Pop it in your calendars

Honestly, I do not plan to buy it after Below Zero. Now that they did all the evil stuff I guess my decision is well justified.

etchinghillside, do games w Pop it in your calendars

Im gonna need a fact check on that bonus number.

sirico,
@sirico@feddit.uk avatar

Yes you are going to need to, but as you asked so presumptively I have a couple of links from pretty good journalistic sources.

rockpapershotgun.com/krafton-plan-to-delay-subnau…

theverge.com/…/krafton-delay-subnautica-2-250-mil…

The Bloomberg article they reference it’s paywalled to hell :D bloomberg.com/…/krafton-delays-subnautica-2-game-…

wioum,
@wioum@lemmy.world avatar

Bloomberg article: archive.is/njpO8

BakedCatboy,

Archive link for the Bloomberg article in case the gift link stops working archive.is/2mltm

ipitco,

You said it was a fact when it’s just a suspicion

FanBlade,

I mean, you made the claim presumptively, seems reasonable to think it would be on you to provide a source.

Resonosity,

Proving a negative vs a positive, exactly

paultimate14,

The $250 million bonus was due to kick in if Unknown Worlds hit certain revenue targets by the end of 2025

The whole key to this is how the bonus is structured, and that is unknown still. They very well may have just been something like “10% of net profit, capped at $250 million”.

If the whole cost of the game was JUST $250 million, that would put it in the [top-15](The $250 million bonus was due to kick in if Unknown Worlds hit certain revenue targets by the end of 2025) most expensive games we have official numbers for. This doesn’t pass the smell test.

Seleni,

Does it make sense to nitpick how much they’re getting though? The fact that they’re being denied any bonus is shady as fuck.

paultimate14,

That’s how bonuses work. If it was guaranteed regardless of how the company perfroms, it wouldn’t be a bonus.

It is entirely possible that, even if they had released Subnautica 2 in its current state right now, it may not meet sales expectations and no one would get a bonus anyways. They could make a great game and the marketing team drops the ball- no bonus. They could market like crazy but the game sucks- no bonus. Data breaches or corporate embezzlement or world war- there are tons of factors that could prevent them from meeting those goals.

The amount is also important because it is being used by the position to try to support an argument that Krafton made this move in order to avoid paying the bonus. When in reality the cost of that bonus payment is probably a tiny fraction of what they are losing by delaying the game.

Personally I hate bonuses, and I have always advocated at my company for more of the payroll to be structured as salary. But other colleagues of mine really like bonuses. They like the increased reward and risk involved. It comes down to risk aversion, so I’m not going to call those people or employers evil or anything just because it’s not my preference.

I’m also not defending Krafton’s decision to replace the leadership and delay the game. Personally I suspect that they did so in order to add more monetization to the game, but that’s impossible to know until reviews start to get published. I will say that no one should pre-order the game, but I would also say no one should pre-order any game. Why are people pre-ordering games at all?

And what if Krafton is right? What if the game is actually in a state right now that would disappoint customers? Seems like for the last decade every videogame community has been complaining about games being released as unfinished and buggy meses. No Man’s Sky and Cyberpunk for example. Any time Nintendo delays a game, all their fans applaud and share the Miyamoto meme (“a delaged game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad”). So I’m really surprised to see that a publisher has come out and admitted that they think the game needs more time to meet customer expectations and instead of applauding them for taking the loss the Internet is instead promoting these weird conspiracy theories that don’t add up to explain how it’s actually bad.

kbobabob,

It is entirely possible that

Being possible doesn’t equal being likely.

paultimate14,

The public does not have enough information to judge the relative probabilities. Krafton has that information and has every incentive to release the game as soon as possible, and they still chose to delay.

ChairmanMeow,
@ChairmanMeow@programming.dev avatar

According to Krafton’s statement the remaining employees are getting their bonus though.

etchinghillside,

Apologies - that was not a dig at the validity of the information provided.

That’s a very high number - so I had to either be misunderstanding the number or underestimating the number of employees the bonus was going to.

sorter_plainview,

I wonder how much of this is true. Statement from the publisher

On Thursday, Krafton issued another statement addressed to “our 12 million fellow Subnauts.” The company said 90% of the $250 million payout was allocated to Unknown Worlds’ three senior leaders. Krafton accused the executives of abandoning their responsibilities in order to work on other projects, including a film, leading to delays for the game.

atticus88th,

This fact check provided by EA Games.

simple, do games w Krafton Issue Statement Regarding Subnautica 2
@simple@piefed.social avatar

Things are getting spicy. According to Krafton, the executive devs that they fired had abandoned the project after receiving the payout for selling the company and were focusing on other things.

See also: Subnautica 2 devs are now suing Krafton

wizardbeard,

This is shockingly “public” considering there’s legal proceedings now.

simple,
@simple@piefed.social avatar

Thats right, but on the other hand they were pushed into making a statement because everybody is attacking them online.

rfr_Foglia, do games w Day 359 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games I've been playing

I love this game so much.

lysy, do wwa w PRZYWRACANIE POSIADANIA - VEGAN FOOD - BUŁGAR - FLYING HIPPO

ALE WEŹCIE TEGO CAPSLOCKA STĄD PROSZĘ NIE KRZYCZCIE /s

KolektywPrzyjazn,
@KolektywPrzyjazn@szmer.info avatar

szept przepraszamy ;c

Gameline, do games w Pop it in your calendars

jokes on them, i already pirate their games ☕

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