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yournamehere, do games w After shutting down several popular emulators, Nintendo admits emulation is legal

“please buy our new switch”

nah, i m good.

jared, do games w After shutting down several popular emulators, Nintendo admits emulation is legal
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Fuck Nintendo!!!

Razzazzika, do games w After shutting down several popular emulators, Nintendo admits emulation is legal

What bugs me is i thought it was cause of the switch 2 pending, but turns out the switch 2 won’t be fully backwards compatible https://lemm.ee/pictrs/image/6b3bbee5-a061-4d06-ba06-b0981b41597e.jpeg

brown567,

Our new console is backwards compatible*

  • It isn’t
ziggurat, (edited )

To be fair, (I hate Nintendo because of their crusade on open source software), but to be fair,

ps2 had issues on some Ps1 games, the list is short though, and the last few revisions of ps2 even software emulated Ps1 (don’t know the compatibility difference with hardware backwards compatibility)

Ps3 had issues with even more ps2 games, and only the first few revisions had hardware backwards compatibility, the ps2 emulation on ps3 without hardware compatibility is a mess

PS5 has issues with some ps4 games, including but not limited to psvr games, and I think I saw an official in incompatibility list by sony

Wii backwards compatibility i dont know about any issues except with games that use hardware accessories, maybe someone knows more? Later revisions dropped backward compatibility, but the hardware is still present, and homebrew will help you.

As for switch 2 to switch 1 backwards compatibility speculation, here is a educated guess. The asterisk is referring to lobo games and some other games with accessories. Why this speculative conclusion? Because of the way the hardware inside it works.

The arm cpu can be optionally designed to be completely backwards compatible. But is it? (more on that soon). The gpu part of the SOC, is most certainly not 100% binary compatible, because of what we already know about the architecture changes between these gpu generations. This isn’t limited to arm and nvidia gpus, ps5 also has these issues with x86 jaguar to ryzen, and Radeon generations.

So what about your experience with pc gpus, and cpus, and ps5 to ps4 compatibility etc? Well, emulation, the instructions, that are not compatible are emulated in software, this is common place, and in practice it works quite well. The main issue comes down to timing. Some things take different amount of time to do, like an instruction can take fewer cycles. Or if it’s emulated it can take more cycles. Emulation does work well, even if it often can have timing issues. Some times instructions from a future generation can possibly be emulated on your pc cpu. I can remember my friends computer using an installed windows driver, to emulate a future version of the SSE instruction set, I think it was SSE 2 or 2.1, it worked well enough to play VR games (oculus rift dev kit 1 days).

Another issue is that when cpu makers deprecate instructions some times, but they do this in a quite annoying way, they can add a wait, so an instruction takes much longer to run than previous cpus.

I’m not confident enough to talk in this detail about GPUs, because as we all experience, the high level compatibility api like directX or vulkan do all this all the time for us, and I don’t know graphics programming. But I do know this is more of an issue on consoles talking more directly to the hardware. But lots of switch games use vulkan so, those should TM work fine… But some games can also be programmed (intentionally like rogue squadron on GameCube, or unintentionally) to need an unintended or undocumented feature of the vulkan implementation on the switch, and those may or may not work on switch 2

Nvidia also is responsible for the Cpu design, directly or indirectly. I don’t know how much they care about being as backwards compatible with the cpu instructions as possible though. Probsbly if Nintendo has anything to say about it, they can be 99.999% compatible, with only some timing issues, which may or may not affect games.

So what is the conclusions? Of course this is speculation, and users have to test games, it will take years to know the full extent, but I think we will see near 100% compatibility for games that don’t need hardware accessories that are not compatible. If we exclude shovelware (low effort crap that somehow got into the eshop) maybe a couple to a handful of games will have big enough issues that they can’t be played. Maybe more games will have minor graphics issues, or things that look fine, but just slightly different to switch1

stooth64,

The Switch 2 has a new hardware size and some software (like Labo and Ring Fit) has a physical component that is sized to the original Switch/Joy-Con. It could be referring to that.

Razzazzika,

Yeha but the pessimist in me thinks of box’s backwards compatibility where only the games they curated would work. Still can’t play eternal sonata anymore.

PraiseTheSoup,

Pretty sure you can still play Eternal Sonata on the last 3 generations of Xbox.

Razzazzika,

Nah it was never added to backwards compatibility on the xbone or series X. I tried so many times with hope in my eyes to put the disc in and nada.

PraiseTheSoup,

Man I’m so sorry to hear that. For me it was Lucasarts’ Gladius and they finally did add that one somewhat recently. It’s the only game I was keeping my original Xbox for.

Eiri,

That would surprise me. It just doesn’t sound like their flavour of bullshit.

john89,

It 100% sounds like their flavor of bullshit.

Remember the “emulation console” they released?

007ace,

Just as a heads up, Eternal Sonata was released on the PS3 and Xbox360. Both RCPS3 and Xenia can play Eternal Sonata even on a steamdeck. If they wont let you play it legitimately, and youve bought a copy for your old systems… thats more than enough justification to emulate in my books.

Razzazzika,

I couldn’t get the xbox version to run emulated. It was all black, none of the graphics loaded. But i did get the ps3 version working.

007ace,

Hey that’s awesome. I’ve been playing drakengard 3, I never finished eternal sonata, so I think I’ll go back and do that.

buttnugget, do games w YouTuber Faces Possible Jail Time for Reviewing Gaming Handhelds

When I’m dictator, any country that does something like this will be carpet bombed.

WorldsDumbestMan,

I will vote for you!

Ulrich, do games w YouTuber Faces Possible Jail Time for Reviewing Gaming Handhelds
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YouTuber Faces Possible Jail Time for Reviewing Gaming Handhelds

I’m so tired of these titles “Person arrested for perfectly legal thing”. He wasn’t arrested for reviewing gaming handhelds, he was arrested for copyright infringement.

wizblizz,

The most pedantic comment I’ve read all week. Title is fine

ThatGirlKylie,

Exactly. Copyright infringement? He was reviewing handheld that came with ROMs which is the copyright infringement apparently?

I agree the title is fine because the whole reason why he was arrested because he was reviewing the handheld that had the games on them. That is making an argument out of nothing

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

the whole reason why he was arrested because he was reviewing the handheld that had the games on them.

I’d love to see you point to an Italian law that states that reviewing handhelds on YouTube is illegal.

Evil_Shrubbery,

Epstein arrested for flying on planes

People will seriously argue such title would be fine.

ShinkanTrain,

I understand your concern, potential employer, but I was never arrested for Chicago Sunroofing the Popemobile. There aren’t even any laws that say it’s illegal, I don’t know why people keep calling me that

Ulrich, (edited )
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

It’s not pedantic. The title not only intentionally misrepresents the situation but it explains absolutely nothing. Reviewing hardware on YouTube is not a crime in any country to my knowledge, so how could he be arrested for it?

Evil_Shrubbery, (edited )

I agree, the title is literally false, just to get more engagement.

(If it was literal than any ads about such handhelds would be in the same category, not to mention YouTube as it allows this en masse.)

And this isn’t a comment abut the arrest (megacorps are always scumbags), just how “journalism” works nowdays.

It’s just a fact that the title could have easily explained why was he arrested - and it’s a fact that was omitted on purpose so that you have to click on it to see what the actual reason was (what potentially isn’t in accordance with the law).
(You don’t get the key info of the whole story until you pay for that info by clicking on the article so they get engagement monies.)

NotForYourStereo,

Is he reviewing the device, or is he reviewing the pirated games?

Dumbfuck.

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

I don’t understand the question. Which one of those is illegal?

NotForYourStereo,

I don’t understand

Yeah that’s abundantly clear.

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

Good to know you don’t understand it either you fuckin mongoloid.

grue,

He couldn’t have been arrested for copyright infringement; that offense was perpetrated by the entity that sold the thing to him, not himself.

Evil_Shrubbery, (edited )

That is literally the charge/what they are investigating.

Afaik the difference will come down to if he was ever paid for a review (which would be the difference between a regular consumer buying a thing legally & showing what he bought vs him being part of the promo campaigns by the manufacturer … you know, like Google is).

And if there is no newer specific law (the old one ofc doesn’t explain shit since it’s from pre-computer era), it might come down to him receiving free consoles to review, and maybe having a bunch of SD cards full of ROMs in his apartment.
(Meaning that if they say free review merch is a form of payment, they go to trial. As I understand he didn’t/it’s not common practice to return stuff like this after review, tho some reviewers do it and some manufacturers demand it.)

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

He can be arrested for anything. If you want to argue that it wasn’t copyright infringement, you’ll have to take it up with the author. That’s what they said.

Evil_Shrubbery, (edited )

No, copyright infringement is a criminal offence in this case* - there won’t be any Nintendo/Sony lawyers in any part of the investigation or trial. They might have just reported a crime.

Nobody is getting sued by Nintendo (like would be the usual business in USA).

*it has it’s own jail sentence & a 15k€ fine, tho again not clear if per case or whatever bcs the law infrastructure just isn’t up to date (never was?)

(Afaik)

SoftTeeth, do games w After shutting down several popular emulators, Nintendo admits emulation is legal

If they spent half their lawyer money on making good games they wouldn’t be losing money to competition

jol,

Arguable, but I think they do both.

b34k,

I think Nintendo first party games are great. And I certainly don’t think they’re losing money… the Switch has the most global sales of any current console by a lot. In fact, the PS2 is the only non-Nintendo console to have sold more.

SoftTeeth,

Strange that they targeted Palworld but not any of the other monster collector games that came out in the last 10 yesrs that weren’t nearly as successful.

They don’t need the money, but them wanting other developers money is what makes them do these petty lawsuits. And if they really wanted the money then they could have just made the pokemon game that Palworld ended up filling the niche for.

But they’re lazy and greedy instead of a fun games company so they choose to hire lawyers to suppress real competitors

john89,

Keep in mind everyone, nintendo started out as a toy company and never lost that culture.

They aren’t your friends and they aren’t “better than the rest.”

friendly_ghost, do gaming w After shutting down several popular emulators, Nintendo admits emulation is legal

Well well well That’s quite a switch in opinions

finitebanjo, do games w YouTuber Faces Possible Jail Time for Reviewing Gaming Handhelds

According to the video, officials are not required to disclose what exactly the charges are or who has brought them until the initial investigation is complete under Italian law. At that point, the case is either dismissed or goes to trial. The complaint specifically mentions reproduction of copyrighted material from Nintendo and Sony, but the case may originate from the agency itself.

So for now we don’t actually know the charges or if the trial will procede, but yeah definitely not fair.

Evil_Shrubbery,

Yeah, he only showed what the police gave him (they are investigating him for promoting copyright infringement).

sumguyonline, do games w After shutting down several popular emulators, Nintendo admits emulation is legal

I was a life long Nintendo fan boy. I have every system excluding the virtual boy cuz of the headaches, and the Wii u because I was under employed when it released. I stopped buying Nintendo after Gary Bowser, their software is janky, and bad for 2000’s level of web portal. I had already complained to Nintendo as a long term investor, and instead of innovating their software and hardware, they litigate away anything that might be considered competition and sue into poverty anyone that alters the devices. I never altered my switch, but I stand on the side of the hackers because Nintendo desperately needed to create a quality software core for their switch family. They want their software to be an extremely basic game launcher, and in modern software terms, that’s just incompetent. I stopped buying Nintendo because Nintendo stopped innovating their software, started litigating their profits, and relied solely on old worn out IP instead of creating something new and fresh. You know how many new games are gonna launch on switch 2? Less than 5. Know what one of the first 10 games is gonna be? Mario. Want another? Probably a racing game that’s another rehash but has something blandly new and shiny, like space ship racing with gerbils(instead of diddy Kong racing, or jet ski racing etc). Nintendo has no new IP ideas, and while I was mostly OK suffering through the tired old crap to get to whatever gameplay innovation they made, they seem to have abandoned the gameplay innovation entirely, and are just suing people to force them to play their games the way they want, even if they already received money for the game and system. Whatever they might have in store for the switch 2, so long as Gary Bowser is living in debt to Nintendo, I will never purchase another Nintendo product new, ever again, and I will only purchase used if they have an absolute banger of a game, but I’m only buying that used as well. No profit to Nintendo. I can buy off eBay.

catloaf, do games w After shutting down several popular emulators, Nintendo admits emulation is legal

No shit, it’s been case law since the 90s (Bleem, Connectix). The recent cases haven’t been about emulation, but decryption keys lifted from the BIOS.

MelodiousFunk,

Doesn’t matter, bait headline worked wonderfully.

gamermanh, do games w After shutting down several popular emulators, Nintendo admits emulation is legal

Yeah, that’s why I’ve been exclusively pirating and emulating your switch games, and will continue to do so

Nintendo never gets my money again, and it’s been a better experience so far doing so

atro_city, do games w After shutting down several popular emulators, Nintendo admits emulation is legal

Stop buying Nintendo, mkay?

sirico, do games w After shutting down several popular emulators, Nintendo admits emulation is legal
@sirico@feddit.uk avatar

Back to the forks bois

vane, do games w YouTuber Faces Possible Jail Time for Reviewing Gaming Handhelds

He could say that he is doing AI research and AI training and reviews are just part of his scientific documentation.

Cocopanda, do games w YouTuber Faces Possible Jail Time for Reviewing Gaming Handhelds

But Gamergate said that Fascist conservatives would be our friends? What? Did the Russian disinfo targets get manipulated again?

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