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iAmTheTot, do games w The Sims Competitor inZOI Sells 1 Million in a Week, Krafton Declares It a ‘Long-Term Franchise IP’

I was really excited for this game until I find out they use genAI features.

Virkkunen,
@Virkkunen@fedia.io avatar

You can simply not use any of the AI features. The studio claims the genAI is a model trained solely on material their artists and devs created for this exact purpose and it runs locally, and as far as I know there is nothing in the game that uses genAI other than what the players can generate.

iAmTheTot,

I still don’t feel good supporting it, personally. If everyone else is enjoying it, that’s cool, but I’ve got plenty of other games that don’t dip their toes into areas I’m not personally comfortable with. So for me it’s a non starter.

secret300, do games w The Sims Competitor inZOI Sells 1 Million in a Week, Krafton Declares It a ‘Long-Term Franchise IP’

I wanna buy it but gave my gaming PC away. I’ll get another eventually then get it

SolidShake, do games w Switch 2 Tutorial Game Welcome Tour Costs $10, Nintendo Explains Why It's Not a Free Console Pack-In - IGN

It should be free

Lost_My_Mind,

May I introduce you to their last launch day tech demo… 1-2 Switch?

Yeah. You forgot about $60 launch day tech demo 1-2 Switch, didn’t you?

jacksilver,

The only reason they sold any was because the console released with like one game, which seems to be the same strategy this time around too.

Lost_My_Mind,

I remember buying breath of the wild, and sniperclips on day 1.

jacksilver,

Exactly, the only real first party game was BOTW (and that also released on the Wii u).

There were some smaller games, like 12 switch/snipperclips/fast rmx, but the switch on release (and most of its life) was struggling for games.

madjo,

It has a shitload of indie games and on top of that a lot of shovel ware though.

SolidShake,

Okay?

Ashtear, do games w Switch 2 Tutorial Game Welcome Tour Costs $10, Nintendo Explains Why It's Not a Free Console Pack-In - IGN

I think this money grab wouldn’t have gotten as much run in the media if it hadn’t been front and center in the Direct. Feels like a misstep, but then, so does €90 Mario Kart…

saigot, do gaming w Switch 2 Tutorial Game Welcome Tour Costs $10, Nintendo Explains Why It's Not a Free Console Pack-In - IGN

I think the runaway success of astrobot for the PS5 has got execs watering at the mouth. If It’s as good as astrobot then I don’t think 10bucks is all that crazy either.

Fribbtastic,

I would disagree with the last sentence.

Astrobot was actually a game. It was more like any other game that taught you how to play the game with the implemented features. This could have been any other game doing the same thing but it came directly from Sony.

Looking at the “Welcome Tour gameplay” video, this isn’t even close to what Astrobot did. It is a Hub in which you get told what those features are with minigames for that specific feature.

My point is: If the only point is to advertise the functionality of the console, charging any sort of money for it is not productive for what it should be achieving. You want people to learn how to use your console and then charge money for it will do the exact opposite. People won’t buy it because there is no benefit to actually buying it.

Any other game would teach you how to play it anyway.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJoAaOClzrY

saigot,

It sounds like you do agree with my last statement, I said if x then y. You said not x so not y.

uberstar,
@uberstar@lemmy.ml avatar

If It’s as good as astrobot then I don’t think 10bucks is all that crazy either.

… is not in agreement with

If the only point is to advertise the functionality of the console, charging any sort of money for it is not productive for what it should be achieving

…and it doesn’t look like a contrapositive either.

Astrobot is actually a fully-fledged standalone game, in which the PS5’s features are seamlessly baked into the core of the gameplay, rather than the core of the game being just the PS5 functionalities. The only other game I could think of and one you could compare it to more accurately is Tearaway (back when it was a PS Vita exclusive), because that was also a game that made use of every core functionality the console for that game had to offer.

The Welcome Tour is literally just PS Vita’s Welcome Park but with a few more mini games, the latter of which is free.

icecreamtaco, do games w Switch 2 Tutorial Game Welcome Tour Costs $10, Nintendo Explains Why It's Not a Free Console Pack-In - IGN
@icecreamtaco@lemmy.world avatar

Makes sense, but if it’s only $10 it should just be free. $10 isn’t worth the bad PR and they should want this tour thing in as many hands as possible.

ivanafterall, do games w Switch 2 Tutorial Game Welcome Tour Costs $10, Nintendo Explains Why It's Not a Free Console Pack-In - IGN
@ivanafterall@lemmy.world avatar

“We’re greedy shits,” Trinen said. “The holes in our souls are bottomless and we hate our customers."

apfelwoiSchoppen, do games w Switch 2 Tutorial Game Welcome Tour Costs $10, Nintendo Explains Why It's Not a Free Console Pack-In - IGN
@apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world avatar

This is one of the dumber decisions Nintendo has made, and they put out the Wii U.

buddascrayon,

Nintendo is being exclusively run by suits now. The era of a game company built by gamers is over.

Steven,

Nintendo was never ran by gamers.

altima_neo,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

You’re thinking iwata, but that was a brief blip on Nintendo history. The OG CEO was a straight up suit. The man had no interest in videogames, only business. Which is why they practically had a monopoly over their hardware in the 80s and 90s.

buddascrayon,

The OG CEO is from the 1800s so yeah. And yes I’m thinking of Iwata. And look at what was produced during his tenure. That’s the Nintendo everyone is nostalgic about nowadays. 1989 Nintendo was a corporation throwing spaghetti at the wall, 2000’s Nintendo was streamlining the end gamer experience, 2020’s Nintendo is looking for an easy paycheck.

samus12345,

It wasn’t even a bad system, just marketed terribly.

FartMaster69,

I would dispute the claim it wasn’t a bad system.

The gamepad as a mandatory component really gimped it hard.

gonzo-rand19, do games w Switch 2 Tutorial Game Welcome Tour Costs $10, Nintendo Explains Why It's Not a Free Console Pack-In - IGN

So it's a $10 tutorial? Don't care how expansive and cool it is, that's just fucked. The project scope should've been adjusted to make sure it would be free.

tiramichu,

Exactly! What sort of logic are they even trying to apply there? Basically saying “We put a lot of time into our tech demo, and it came out better than expected, so we’re going to charge for it!”

That’s just crazy.

The whole principle is that the intro experience is supposed to be free. It exists to get people pumped about the cool new thing they just bought and excited to play with it.

I guess Nintendo decided that - since you already bought the console - they don’t especially care if you are pumped or not. They already got your money.

KingThrillgore, do gaming w Switch 2 Tutorial Game Welcome Tour Costs $10, Nintendo Explains Why It's Not a Free Console Pack-In - IGN
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

Its amazing how the more I hear about the Switch 2 the more I don’t want it

ChairmanMeow,
@ChairmanMeow@programming.dev avatar

It’s so weird, I was actually kinda hyped seeing they improved almost everything on the original Switch. Hardware-wise it seems good. But the software after really just became this turn-off? The Mario Kart gimmick of riding between tracks looks dull, the 24 players is cool but offset with the wider tracks it seems less impactful, and then all the prices…

I’m holding off I think. Maybe when there’s better games out it becomes a better deal. Or when Nintendo does an OLED refresh (if we don’t have a Steam Deck 2 by then that is).

slaneesh_is_right,

What did they improve? They didn’t even adress the stick drift peoblem and dounled down on it.

Thesilverpig,

To name a few things, they improved the processing power, storage, screen, attachment method of the joycons, dock, placement of charging cable (located both top and bottom), in-game chat.

I’m not going to buy one cause the pricepoint and the fact that “physical copies” of games are going to be empty cases with keys, which might be able to be lent or resold until Nintendo decides against it or kills the system for verifying them, but they did make a number of improvements that would have opened up my wallet once again if they hadn’t let greed win the day.

ChairmanMeow,
@ChairmanMeow@programming.dev avatar

Screen size, resolution, the APU, storage size, controller connector, buttons, the lot. They did state that they worked on the stick drift issue and found ways to mitigate it, but they weren’t specific unfortunately.

racketlauncher831, do gaming w Switch 2 Tutorial Game Welcome Tour Costs $10, Nintendo Explains Why It's Not a Free Console Pack-In - IGN

I’ll save y’all some time. The intervewee said,

is not an exorbitant price

It’s an interesting product

Yeah, this feels like $9.99 is not an exorbitant price. It feels like a good value for what you’re getting out of the product.

inclementimmigrant,

Sure sounds like “were being greedy assholes.” in corporate speak.

nova_dragon, do gaming w Switch 2 Tutorial Game Welcome Tour Costs $10, Nintendo Explains Why It's Not a Free Console Pack-In - IGN
@nova_dragon@lemmy.world avatar

love these "explain why"s that are literally always “because we are trying to make as much money as possible.” didn’t need an article to tell me that.

mrfriki, do gaming w Switch 2 Tutorial Game Welcome Tour Costs $10, Nintendo Explains Why It's Not a Free Console Pack-In - IGN

Because they are some greedy bastards, that is.

subignition, do games w Switch 2 Tutorial Game Welcome Tour Costs $10, Nintendo Explains Why It's Not a Free Console Pack-In - IGN
@subignition@fedia.io avatar

For 10 bucks, it better have a button combination that unlocks Mario Paint 2.

I haven't seen a damn thing in the marketing that justifies it being anything other than free. If it's worth 10 bucks, you better show that shit off. The audacity to call it "welcome tour" with a $10 price tag is wild

WaitThisIsntReddit,

Nothing says welcome to the new Nintendo console like learning to open that wallet.

altima_neo,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

I read a preview of it that said it wasn’t worth the money. Nintendo is getting greedy AF.

Fingolfinz, do games w Switch 2 Tutorial Game Welcome Tour Costs $10, Nintendo Explains Why It's Not a Free Console Pack-In - IGN

“Nintendo thinks very little of the intelligence of their customers”

Viri4thus,

And rightfully so…

Fingolfinz,

Yeah, they do spend a lot of fucking money and put up with a lot that a rational person really wouldn’t stand for

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