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gerryflap, do gaming w GTA 6 might be released before the end of the next fiscal year
@gerryflap@feddit.nl avatar

GTA 6 is really set up for failure. There’s so many expectations from gamers after all these years with no new installment. Nevertheless, I hope to be wrong about this. GTA games are always a fun sandbox to me, and hopefully GTA 6 manages to get that part right once again.

pm_boobs_send_nudes,

I think everyone will be fine with a slightly improved GTA V set in Florida / Miama. One of the protagonists is also a thirst trap latina and the gameplay mechanics in the leak seemed nice. Like with read dead but improved.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

Imagine the satire you could put in a new GTA game set in Florida these days.

Hypx,
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It will be the most expensive game in history, with a reputed development budget of around $2 billion. Anyone can do the math and realize that it would have to sell in ridiculous numbers to make that up. If it doesn't capture the magic of past GTA releases, it will be a massive money loser.

Ser_Salty,

That’s lifetime budget, so including all marketing and development after release as well

sickday,
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I’m expecting they will introduce some online service like GTA Online along with a slew of micro transactions to make up the budget. I can’t really say why but I’m getting the feeling this will be a always-online game

ampersandrew,
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There's close to zero chance that GTA VI doesn't make $2B.

Hypx,
@Hypx@kbin.social avatar

That's grossing $2 billion. But they'll still lose money at that point. They will have to net $2 billion, which won't happen until they sell like $4 billion or more.

ampersandrew,
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Assuming that their revenue only came from boxed sales and not the behemoth that is GTA Online, they gross $2B with under 30M copies sold. GTA V has, to date, sold a little shy of 200M copies. GTA VI will be fine. In fact, GTA V made so much money that if they pissed away $2B on GTA VI and it sold zero copies, the company would still be fine. They've been making half a billion in profit per year for a long time now.

Hypx,
@Hypx@kbin.social avatar

Actually no. They probably did not gross $2 billion until they sold around 40-50 million copies.

GTA6 will have to fully match the success of GTA5 to be a success. That is the risk here.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

No, it actually doesn't, and I outlined why in the comment you replied to. In fact, I just checked what GTA V did sales-wise, and that 30M copies sold was passed in its first six weeks. It brought in $2B in its first six months. Of course GTA VI is going to do that again, regardless of what it does in subsequent years. And this is still not factoring in the revenue that GTA Online brings in. It doesn't have to be anywhere close to being as successful as GTA V in order to make back the $2B they spent making it.

Hypx,
@Hypx@kbin.social avatar

Not everything sold at full price. By six month, it was probably closer to 50M. GTA Online has a much higher cost basis. It is not a magic trick to generate free cash. Again, they need to NET $2 billion, not gross $2 billion.

Again, GTA6 really has to match the success of GTA5 or else it will lose money. You don't know if it can.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

The first evidence I can find of a sale for GTA V was in 2015, over a year after launch, and the first price cut appears to be in mid-2018, five years after launch, meaning that they could continue to sell copies at that $60 for five straight years without much extra motivation for consumers. Whatever you think you the cost basis is for GTA Online, it is still a pittance compared to what they'll bring in.

You don't know if it can.

Funny then that you seem to know that this is some enormous risk instead of probably the safest investment a video game company has ever made.

Hypx,
@Hypx@kbin.social avatar

It did not sell at full price everywhere.

And again, it has to NET $2 billion, not gross. You are simply deceiving yourself if you think it is guaranteed to make money.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

Hey, feel free to put some money on the line and call me a fortune teller when this game comes out profitable. Nothing is guaranteed, but a new GTA game, especially after GTA V, is about the closest thing to guaranteed success you'll see in this industry.

AfricanExpansionist,

Plus, where does this franchise really have left to go?

gerryflap,
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I mean, personally I don’t care about the story or anything. If I can just mess around in a big fancy sandbox like all the other GTA games then it’d good for me. But GTA 6 has big expectations to contend with, so they’re gonna aim high. There’s the chance that they mess that up, either with scummy monetization or DRM, or by releasing a trainwreck of a game. Or they fck it up by releasing a soulless game like Saints Row did

ampersandrew,
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It doesn't even really have to go anywhere except having new characters in a new city. There aren't a ton of crime story settings in video games these days, let alone GTA's brand of it.

FatTony, do gaming w GTA 6 might be released before the end of the next fiscal year
@FatTony@lemmy.world avatar

Unrelated but: I fucking hate the sentence: “before the end of the next year.” Just say: “next year”!

billgatesisspiderman,

Fiscal year goes up to march 2025. It’s easier to write “before the end of the next fiscal year” than “next year after March or in the first three months of the year after next”

FatTony,
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I think I read over the word: fiscal. Good for pointing it out!

FatTony, do gaming w Assassin's Creed Mirage new leak confirm microtransactions
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Cool! Uplay store and microtransactions?! How can pirates defend themselves now!

4am, do gaming w Cities: Skylines 2 releasing with mechanics from original game via DLC
@4am@lemmy.world avatar

This article feels like it was written with LLM

mershed_perderders,

and not a very good one… it reads like it was written by an ESL high schooler

sdrawk, do gaming w Assassin's Creed Mirage new leak confirm microtransactions
@sdrawk@lemmy.world avatar

Ubisoft thinks microtransactions is the shit, we just think it’s shit.

I’ll pass on this one

Neato, do gaming w Assassin’s Creed Mirage new leak confirm microtransactions
@Neato@kbin.social avatar

Ubisoft rehashing the same old game with abusive mtx? Who'd have thunk it?!

squirrelwithnut, do gaming w Assassin's Creed Mirage new leak confirm microtransactions

Well that sucks. I was excited for the refocused nature of this sequel too. Guess I’ll skip it now.

NotTheOnlyGamer, do gaming w Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 is a premium release priced at $70
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Makes me glad I don't play shooters.

ampersandrew,
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That's fine, because there aren't many of them anymore.

ryan, do gaming w Netflix begins testing cloud game streaming on TV and PC

key companies in the video game sector

Press X to doubt. Didn't Google try this sort of thing with Stadia already? Why is Netflix spending money on becoming a video game company? Are they trying to justify the price increases?

krdo,
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They are trying to diversify since streaming is not a sustainable business on its own. What they are trying is more similar to something like Apple Arcade than Stadia.

ampersandrew,
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In what way is streaming not a sustainable business on its own? You mean game streaming isn't sustainable on its own?

krdo,
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No, I meant streaming of movies and tv shows in the current market. Someone has to fold eventually when the current strikes are over.

Edit: Streaming services are paying to much to generate content in a battle for customers. Actors and writers are not getting paid enough. By diversifying Netflix has a better chance at competing.

ampersandrew,
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Strikes not withstanding, I don't see how that business is unsustainable. Film and television companies integrated and consolidated until there's at least 4 or 5 major players in that space for healthy competition, and the back of the napkin math makes plenty of sense.

krdo,
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I guess we’ll see how it plays out in the coming years.

nicktron,
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It’s unsustainable because everything is being splintered into different streaming services, forcing the consumer to spend more to watch the one or two decent offerings on each platform. This is causing people to return to the days of mass pirating.

ampersandrew, (edited )
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That's not unsustainable...that's a healthy, competitive market, and a great deal better for the consumer than the television model it replaced. You also don't need to stay subscribed to a streaming service after you've watched the show you wanted to watch, and even if you stay subscribed to only the ones with shows you like, it's far cheaper than cable.

nicktron,
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You’re wrong, but okay.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

Which part was wrong?

cyberic, do gaming w Starfield reviews game history before your space adventure starts
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Clickbait title. The article is about the game’s fake history of human exploration.

The game does not access your other game history.

Karak, do gaming w Project Cronos, the PS5 streaming feature details are now leaked

An what?

AN WHAT!?

ReallyKinda, do gaming w Assassin’s Creed Mirage gone gold and is coming out early

I’m still working my way through Egypt!

DARbarian,
@DARbarian@artemis.camp avatar

Funny you mention it, I just finished the 4th and final weekly for Origins this morning. Though after 110 hours to 100% it, not sure I'll be moving on to Odyssey too soon.

DadVolante, do gaming w Cities Skylines 2 has realistic economy, layoffs and even homelessness
@DadVolante@sh.itjust.works avatar

I really enjoyed the first, though I was terrible at managing traffic.

Now I can be terrible at managing traffic AND homeless!

HidingCat,

Yea, my cities' bottleneck was always getting the traffic to be able to have the hearses do their job. Somehow that's what causes a city to stop growing, compared to other factors like the economy.

mihnt,
@mihnt@kbin.social avatar

Corpse throughput, yay!

Gordon_Freeman, do gaming w Cities Skylines 2 has realistic economy, layoffs and even homelessness
@Gordon_Freeman@kbin.social avatar

I wonder if building realistic cities is possible. Not being able to do it was turn off for me in the first game

Veraxus,
@Veraxus@kbin.social avatar

What do you mean? I thought the first one was one of the most "grounded" city builders ever made. Do you mean specific mechanics or maybe visual styles?

phi1997,

I know one thing it didn't simulate was parking

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

They've got that this time, and it is modeled, at least a little bit, off of real world things like people deciding to go somewhere based on parking availability and such.

Gordon_Freeman,
@Gordon_Freeman@kbin.social avatar

I mean how cities are made/planned in real life

In Cities Skylines you have residencial, commercial, industrial and office zones, right? That is not how you make a city irl. Photographic proof

https://iloftmalaga.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/23.jpg
https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/vr-splice-j/06/2c/0c/ee.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e8/3c/19/e83c19a673784c08e68b45cf58a937e2.jpg
https://www.65ymas.com/uploads/s1/77/34/5/calle-mateos-gago-de-sevilla-una-de-las-ma-s-emblematicas-de-la-ciudad.jpeg
https://www.madrid.es/UnidadesDescentralizadas/UDCMedios/noticias/2010/01Enero/21Jueves/NotasPrensa/TioPepe/ficheros/Edificio%20tio%20pepe.jpg

irl when you make an apartment building the ground floor is used for commercial purposes (you can have banks, restaurants, clothes stores, butchers, surpermarkets, whatever...) as you can see in the photos I linked.

Even more, you can buy (or rent) an appartment and make it an office for your business, so, appart from industrial zones, everything is mixed irl

The developer is European idk why the game focuses only in american style city planning that are highly inefficient and car-centric. You barelly need a car when you have access to all kind of services at 10 or 15 minutes walking

The ingame "High density residential zones" should include some type of commercial activity in the city to be more realistic

Veraxus,
@Veraxus@kbin.social avatar

Ohhh, I hadn't thought about it like that. I do really like the idea of having more granular mixed-use zoning control.

lemann,

IIRC this exists in CS2, believe it was mentioned in a teaser video on their YT

jonne,

Mixed zoning and mixed use buildings are a thing in this version, yeah.

Andjhostet,

"That is not how you make a city irl."

Have you ever been to the US? Because unfortunately, it's actually like that irl. It's a large reason why our cities are completely broken.

Gordon_Freeman,
@Gordon_Freeman@kbin.social avatar

Well, yeah, I wrote about it in the same comment

The developer is European idk why the game focuses only in american style city planning

CorrodedCranium, do gaming w Cities Skylines 2 has realistic economy, layoffs and even homelessness
@CorrodedCranium@leminal.space avatar

I kind of hope they add dystopian elements. It would be an extra thing on top of my message of my sewage canals

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