Even though I think some Palworld designs are questionable, I’m devastated by Pokemon’s wasted potential and Nintendo’s laziness surrounding the franchise. It sucks that they’re the only major catch-em-all game we’ve got, they don’t have to try because they have no competition. I tried Cassette Beasts, and while I think the fusion and type system is pretty good, the story and characters were lacking for me so I haven’t finished it. I have no desire for Yo-kai watch, and I don’t feel like playing Digimon.
Even if I’ll never play “Pokemon: Breath of the Fortnite” I still want Palworld to do well and flip Nintendo off for being an ass. That “riding is only allowed in our games” patent is total bullshit.
lol, I still remember being utterly baffled by how many Nintendo uberfans were just blown away by the kind of construction / physics elements of BotW.
Like… I’d been playing Garry’s mod for years before it even became a game, sold for money.
I was doing that kind of construction silliness … what, before Twilight Princess came out? Something like that?
Funniest part is that learning how to fuck around in lua there, was what spurred me on to learning programming… whereas Nintendo fans kind of tend to be the Apple fans of the video game world… on average, they don’t really know anything about hardware or software, compared to an Xbox or Playstation fan, if you compare people of similar ages in each of those fandoms.
So, I remeber ending up inadvertently triggering a fair number of BotW fans when I just started to describe havok/source physics calls, as well as contraptions I’d built an actual decade prior.
ACF is fucking bonkers, don’t know if its still maintained, but yeah I basically just made my model minfigs of tanks and ifvs and such in digital, functional form, hahah!
I’ve played Gmod since probably around 2007, but IMO this is a bit disingenuous.
EDIT: also, I’m not a Nintendo lover, actually pretty much hate them for issuing takedowns of fan games and let’s plays.
The physics in Tears of the Kingdom is way more stable than Havok. In Gmod even putting a bunch of cans inside a crate can make them start vibrating or cause them to fly out at a million miles per hour after you try picking them up. Walking around on a moving physics object is extremely jank, and can cause you to phase through it or just be killed instantly by mysterious physical forces that appear out of nowhere. In particular, the puzzles that use chains (which have collision with themselves and other objects, unlike Source engine ropes that phase through everything), are way beyond anything you could do reliably with Havok.
In addition to that, TotK takes Gmod’s mechanics and uses them as the basis for combat encounters and puzzles, inside an actual campaign with a narrative, environmental design, music, etc. That sort of thing adds a lot; just look at Portal vs Narbacular drop.
And yeah, I know that there are community made gamemodes for Gmod that use its physics mechanics for all kinds of stuff. None of those are a 70 hour long professionally designed campaign. That’s not to say that I think TotK’s campaign is strictly ‘superior’ to that community made content, or should be viewed as a substitute for it, but I also don’t think the opposite is true either. These are simply two different types of experiences, and neither replaces the other.
I very distinctly remember these real world social interactions I had with BotW players around the game’s release… I very distinctly remember accidentally pissing them off by not being blown away by the construction mechanics, when I said something like ‘oh that’s neat, they did some Garry’s mod style stuff!’
That was apparently not enthusiastic enough for them, and they literally exiled me from their friend group after that.
Rest of post encapsulated so as to not blow up the thread— And uh, the specific problems you mention with GMod? The standing/moving while on a phys object being jank? Yeah you can fairly easily fix a good deal of that in GMod by toggling some server side settings, you can more comprehensively fix that by writing some gamemode logic in lua that moderates/alters/hooks into the source/havok phyics. The ropes don’t act like chains? Yeah, cuz… they aren’t chains, they’re meant to be cheap, but good as a minor element, visual effects. They don’t collide because they’re basically fancy 2D sprites. You can make actual physical chains with actual physicaly colliding links via a series of joint connected props, pretty sure there are just tools and methods you can find now that let you automate and customize the generation of such things. In both of these cases, basically what you do is just clamp maximum translational and rotational acceleration magnitudes below a certain threshold… thats one main ‘trick’ that source/havok/gmod doesn’t do by default, that BotW does, anither one is just hard limit the number of potentially active physics capable objects in any given scene down to a lower number… Gmod by default allows for a lot more than BotW does… its up to you to tune that. Also, Gmod had a bunch of early gamemodes that involved having to construct something, given some limitation set, to achieve some specific goal, or gamemodes that were more like some kind of other common at the time game, but made use of on the fly, but tightly regulated, snap build type construction mechanics, sort of like fortnite, but from a first person POV. I guess you just never played these? — I guess people don’t realize that GMod was basically a precursor to Roblox. Its more of a platform for making wildly different kinds of games than it is just… ‘a game’. Gmod just didn’t have a built in currency system, Gmod gamemode developers had to (and did) figure out how to tie that into some kind of out of game webserver/db to keep track of player accounts and purchases, and then tie that back to the player’s in game inventory/abilities. … I know everything I am saying here, because I either knew people who did all of this stuff, wrote it from scratch, or I did it myself, or I helpes them solve particular problems they were stuck on, or visa versa, etc. — Anyway, yeah obviously BotW has a huge open world and an actual narrative storyline and all that good stuff. It has that, plus some simplified version of Gmod buildy stuff, neat! But ‘neat!’ wasn’t ‘unprecedented and my mind has been blown’. I’m not saying the whole BotW game was just… bad. I’m saying it was pretty neat, but… ultimately, not anything I had not seen before, many prior games had at that point had basically all the individual game mechanics in BotW, BotW was a unique combination of thing’s I’d seen before, but no individual element of it… really sticks out to me as very unique. Which is fine! Games are almost all ‘what mix and match of systems and elements do we want, to make what comprehensive, total experience?’ In summary, no, no my account is not disingenuous, you just aren’t very familiar with or have as much experience with Gmod as I do. And that’s probably a good thing: while Gmod offers a lot of possibilities, it also has one of the worst and most toxic communities of any game I’ve ever played. I could go on about how… the comparison to Roblox also extends to massive problems with grooming and sexual predation / exploitation of children, but that would probably be fairly far from the original topic.
The decision mentions ARK, which has always been one of my arguments. It’s a survival builder with Dinos, but almost every creature is capturable/tamable in some way or another, aside from some bosses/special enemies. Ark has been around a while, and even added a stored in a ball like element years back, but it probably doesn’t exactly come to mind as a catch em all game for most people.
As part of their ongoing lawsuit, Nintendo is claiming PalWorld has violated those... now invalid patents, so Nintendo's overall case against PalWorld is now significantly more weak.
That directly contradicts your quote:
Since the application isn't cited in the Palworld patent lawsuit directly, its rejection won't have a direct impact on the ongoing case. However, as explained by Games Fray's analyst Florian Mueller, the newly rejected application is a "key building block" in Nintendo's strategy to capture a wide range of creature-capture system implementations. It is the child of patent JP7493117 and the parent of JP7545191, both of which are cited in Nintendo's complaint.
IANAL, but IIRC atl in US law "child patent" just means it adds new claims to the parent patents' technology, so this just invalidates the parts that Nintendo did not use in its lawsuit.
The rejected patent is both a child, and parent of patents cited in the lawsuit.
Read that last quoted sentence again.
Or, preferably, the entire article, instead of just my attempt at summary.
So, sure, it doesn’t directly effect JP7493117 in the case, as it came afterward… but it does make Nintendo’s use of JP7545191 in the lawsuit look less credible.
That and the… entire fact that Nintendo is very obviously spamming the patent system.
Now, I am not a lawyer, don’t speak barely any Japanese, and am certainly not a Japanese lawyer… but…
This is from the translated summary from the webportal, I am unable to directly link to that page as it is using java or wasm or something, but here’s the header / part of the abstract:
(19) Issuing country: Japan Patent Office (JP) (12) 【Publication Type】Public Patent Gazette (A) (11) [Release number] Special opening 2024-149570 (P2024-149570A) (43) 【Release Date】October 18, Reiwa 6 (2024.10.18) (54) Name of the invention: game program, game system, game device, and game processing method
(Reiwa roughly means Imperial Era, its kind of a cultural artefact / quirk of their calendar system. Reiwa 6 began in 2019.)
This patent (JP7545191) was published… after… Nintendo’s lawsuit began.
Meaning that Palworld is being sued, at least in part, for violating a patent that did not exist prior to the start of the lawsuit, muchless prior to PalWorld’s initial release, a patent which builds off of the failed patent that this article is saying was just struck down and would need to be appealed.
So… again not a lawyer, but that seems like insane bullshit that would piss off a judge, to me.
This should be some sort of award for getting a patent denied in Japan. They grant patents on vague ill defined concepts all the time, so if it’s been rejected it’s really been rejected.
Japan once granted a patent on the concept of “doing something while the game loads”, Which is why we had all those tips screens for years, they weren’t allowed to do anything interactive. I think this all came tumbling down when assassin’s creed allowed you to wander around a blank empty void during loading. Such innovation.
I won’t mind sommuch, If their games were even remotely worth $80. But they’re not, let’s face it, if it’s a competition between yet another mairo cart and a steam deck plus a few indi and AA titles, it ain’t even a competition. The high cost of the steam deck is offset by the low cost of the games.
I’m not sure steam deck would even be considered “high cost” since you can get a refurbished unit directly from steam for about half the price of a switch 2.
And even a brand new one is still cheaper.
Plus there are parts and instructions available on how to fix and replace pieces yourself should that ever be needed, unlike some drift issues from Nintendo’s controllers where they basically tell you to spend more money or get bent.
I haven’t bought a console since the game cube, and bought a switch for my nephew. When i saw the prices of the games, i was a bit confused. Why is a 8 year old game still full price, why does it have the most disgusting dlc system i have ever seen and so on. I asked that in a nintendo sub Reddit. It wasn’t reddit, but i don’t remember where. People there were insane tbh. They defended their previous nintendo to the death. Their answer to everything was basically: buy the game and dlc and shut the fuck up, it’s worth it.
Yeah but at the same time does people are already tech braindead. Maybe the people that has to go against them it’s not the tech brain dead but the people that care about tech ethics
The article seems to touch on this saying patent offices struggle to find prior art since they look at previous patent documentation, not previous games.
Imaginary murder is also fucked up, but shooter games are still pretty fun. Should we ban all non-educational books and media that portay violence? Cartoon violence nonetheless… Though I will say fuck Nintendo.
Yeah I wasn’t being serious but based on the downvotes I don’t think Lemmy got that.
My intent was actually to fuck over Nintendo with a patent about making your pets fight each other the way they keep gobbling up patents for shit that already exists.
You made a comment that is typically meant with complete seriousness without any indication you were joking. PETA, for example, has an entire anti-Pokemon campaign built on the premise that Pokemon is animal cruelty.
Yeah. I can see it wasn’t clear and then I started trolling people who yelled at me which didn’t help my case.
I should have been more clear, that I was trying to call out the hypocrisy of Nintendo’s lawsuit with Palworld (Pokémon with guns) when their own game could be considered just as immoral by some.
I’m annoyed at companies that would rather sue than compete. Palworld is a different game with different ideas.
I believe existing work doesn‘t matter much in Japanese patent law for some reason. You either have patented it or you haven‘t. That‘s what we‘ve been seeing with this lawsuit again and again. Honestly, Pocketpal should consider moving to Singapore or something to avoid this bullshit.
On September 2, the Japanese gaming giant was issued a U.S. patent that covers a somewhat broad implementation of a system for summoning characters into battle. Identified by patent number 12,403,397
Absolutely ridiculous this was even granted. What is the point in the system if people are just going to be allowed to patent general ideas and vague concepts. How about I got patent my idea of a gun game. See you in court every game with guns.
We have got to stop saying "you're surprised?" whenever anyone points out something being morally wrong. They didn't say they were surprised, @DUMBASS (appropriate username, though).
Alright, that was unexpected. To be honest it doesn‘t even make sense. I’m assuming they‘ll lose that patent in trial as quickly as they got it then. How ridiculous.
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