I wonder if the real reason credit card companies have been responsive to these groups is the potential for lawsuits that drag payment processors into them, which is a result of various shitty laws that have been passed to generally empower these sorts of regressive trolls to do so. If so petitions from the other side might not be as effective, because they can be sued for providing services to the wrong people but not so much for cutting off service, and there’s not much actual risk to them even if a lot of people are mad about the latter.
Except the change.org gets media attention. Proven by the fact that we’re talking in this thread right now. Emails must be at least a little effective considering that’s one of the methods that Collective Shout group used to put pressure on these companies in the first place. Along with public displays of course which goes back to the petition point. So again, I say again you should do all three.
Well yes, that’s what I’m advocating, doing all of them. Though frankly I’d say write your email and sign the petition while you’re on hold, probably more efficient that way.
I think we need to level the playing field with these religious zealots. We need to counter with bold statement in a language they understand, using the same tools they use, like this crude draft:
I am a member of the New Sexually Free Worship Church (NSFW Church for short), and I am deeply disappointed by recent actions recklessly taken by payment processors to ban religious content
I believe these actions violate my freedom of religion and I urge world governments to take immediate steps to stop this outrageous attack on religious liberty
Not enough, We need to actively seek out & destroy the fascists (CS in this case). Document those individuals & prevent them from getting a job, EVER. They use children as human shields, while violating them. (They support Cuties & Germaine Greer)
I’m calling to urge [company name] to immediately end the policy that unfairly targets the adult content industry. I’m also asking that [company name] sit down with stakeholders- specifically sex workers and adult content creators- to develop solutions that ensure equitable access to financial services, create stability, and reduce harm for sex workers.
If taler uses the same banking systems as visa and mastercard, they can be pressured the same way. It sounds like taler shifts even more responsibility to the merchants and they would still comply with KYC which means you can expect stuff like submitting an ID scan for “Verification” in order to comply with laws.
I do hope it takes off, because fuck visa and mastercard, but im not gonna get my hopes up.
Taler isn’t a general payment solution, it’s designed so that separate entities can have their own way to handle small transactions. For example, you attend a conference and deposit some cash into the event, and then you go and use those tokens to exhange for various stuff at the event, and the event organizers settle up with merchants after the event.
Rolling this out on a more global scale mea a you’d need some major institution, like a bank, to back the currency and handle settling up. AFAIK, this hasn’t happened anywhere and isn’t likely to happen because banks already have a system that works that requires far less effort: credit and debit cards.
We already have a solution here that has some market presence, and it’s cryptocurrency. Get some Monero and you can go buy stuff today without those transactions being public. The fees are minimal, transactions are fast, and merchants exist. The main issue is the negative public perception of cryptocurrencies, which is mostly due to speculation and bad actors running scams, but there are solid, proven currencies that can be useful as a cash alternative.
I find it hilarious that the reason these payment companies requested sites pull their NSFW content was due to direct action by a puritanical activist group but people upset by it not only don’t care enough to participate in direct action themselves but won’t even put their real name on a petition. Recently signed by: Crazy crazysmile. Thanks for the support Mr. Crazysmile!
Say what you want about right wing nut jobs, but they at least care enough about their ideas that they go out and make a difference.
The reason they’re effective at it is the exact reason we aren’t. We just want to be left the fuck alone and want to leave others alone. We don’t bombard people with our shitty ideas because we’re good people.
I’m all for us doing it as a reaction but do not celebrate these degenerates trying to govern your life. Fuck that and fuck them.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. People fought wars to end monarchy, slavery, fascism. Wanting to be left alone isn’t the mark of a good person. Good deeds are what make a good person. It is your actions, not your beliefs, that make you a good person.
You don’t need to bombard people with your ideas. You need to stand up for them.
I do kind of wonder how you go about pushing against a company that has virtually no customer support. Just an AI chatbot or something. No numbers, no emails. It’s not common, but I’ve seen it, and I expect we’ll see more of it increasingly. I suppose at that point you could try to locate their address and mail them a letter?
EDIT: Btw both mastercard and visa DO have simple ways of contacting them. You can email mastercard and Visa has chat, email, and phone call. It was pretty easy to snap off an email to both calling them out. About as hard as signing the petition so I recommend doing that instead.
Something I’d like in a perfect world is legislation to fight back against general “contact unavailability” of large companies.
I generally recognize that there are lots of people that call for simple stuff that they could’ve checked online. That said, there has to be a legislative median that ensures people with serious concerns can follow some path to contact some sentient person. Heck, even just to serve them lawsuit papers.
I feel like this should be an official EU petition like Stop Killing Games as well. Have lawmakers actually tell payment processors that they have no right to deny legal transactions (not just fictional content, but any legal transaction).
I seriously suspect they’re a psyops to help dissipate people’s righteous anger - people are pissed of a something, sign a meaningless petition on something like change.org, get their “I’ve done something” psychological kick and, having satisfied their need to do something, don’t actually go ahead and do anything effective.
Defusing the anger against injustices of the very people who tend to be more aware of what’s going on and more concerned about it, before it turns into action or even causes civil society movements to rise from the bottom up, is a pretty useful mechanism for established powers in those countries which peddle the illusion of freedom to their citizenry.
I’m using Monado with my WMR device. It’s still very early days but progress is good. The big issue is that you’ll need to have up-to-date firmware, and the only way to do that is on Windows.
That’s awesome! Well you won’t need to expect WMR updates for Windows anymore, firmware or otherwise. I didn’t know WMR worked with Monado. Does it do 6 degrees of freedom tracking?
6dof works via basalt (and there’s hand tracking as well I believe) but right now the experience is very Janky. eg if I put the headset down it gets confused and starts drifting heavily, forcing a restart. It used to crash sometimes on some types of motion as well. My WMR controllers aren’t being detected and 6dofing properly even though they should be. But the bones are there.
Here’s a video of Monado being used and doing the tracking.
Same here, on a Reverb. The only “upgrade path” that could take me to Linux is the announced Bigscreen Beyond at about €2k for a set. Pure SteamVR means it works great on Linux. Every other headset is a sidegrade at best. Even the Valve Index doesn’t have the sheer pixels the Reverb G2 has. I neeed the pixels for flight sims
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