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kittenzrulz123, do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?

I have personally been using Linux for a few years now and I absolutely love it, however a lot of people will switch to Linux and be extremely disappointed. If you’re going into Linux expecting an open source Windows clone you’ll be solely mistaken. If you want an operating system that looks and works exactly like W11 youll be better off installing W11 and using something like classic shell. However if you’re willing to accept that its a completely different OS (so it naturally will work differently and have different software) then go ahead.

ToiletFlushShowerScream, do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?

Upgrade? How is 11 an upgrade?

namingthingsiseasy,

When is the last time anything Microsoft made was an upgrade…? Word 97??

Jaberw0cky, do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?

I use Opensuse MicroOS on half a dozen PCs but I keep one on Windows until I can run Fortnite on Linux.

RedstoneValley, do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?

Bought a new PC and switched from dual boot Win10/Linux to Linux only. All of the games I’m playing work well, so no need for Windows 11

User79185, (edited ) do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?

IIRC W11 share is barely near W10 and they are already forcing it out and crapton of perfectly usable hardware, if it is not planned obsolescence i don’t know what it is!? Fuck microsoft!

KairuByte,
@KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I want to point out, planned obsolescence only really applies to their surface offerings.

Dariusmiles2123,

Why? I’ve been running a Surface Go 1 with Fedora since 2020 and I plan on keeping it until 2029 at least.

So I can’t see the planned obsolescence except if you meant the ability to upgrade its internals…

KairuByte,
@KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I was pointing out that M$ neither made other hardware that doesn’t support W11, or (directly) profits from hardware being outside support for W11. So planned obsolescence doesn’t really apply in any way to 99% of cases people try to say it does.

Dariusmiles2123,

Okay I understand now, but I think the formulation could have been better then😇

Vari, do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?

Sticking with 10 for a bit, moving to Linux

Adalast,

Ditto. They are stopping support, but I highly doubt they will just brick all Windows 10 machines. If they do, I will just throw Linux on a flash drive and boot from that to recover my data ahead of switching fully to Linux.

I remember seeing a leaked paper about them putting an omnipresent advertising ticket at the top of the screen that will be displayed regardless of full screen status. The only reason I can think that they are forcing this so hard is that a lot of their forced ad servicing plans are not possible to implement in earlier versions of Windows due to root level functionality that cannot be changed. I’m guessing things like direct injection of ads in running processes or that ticker.

Ads have no place in an OS, especially not as kernel level processes. If ads on the internet have taught us anything, it is that bad actors can inject malicious code directly into them without content servers or hosts knowing and compromise untold numbers of machines who just, let me check, rendered the ad.

Between the aggressive plans for in OS advertising and the privacy abolishing actions and policies with AI datascraping, I am done with MS. Windows 10 will be the last one of theit OS’s I run. If work needs me to do something on Windows, it will be on a virtual machine that I remote into.

Dran_Arcana,

They won’t brick it, but you can bet that a lot of people are sitting on unreleased 0-days for win10. It will likely be dangerous to connect to the internet on day 1.

Adalast,

Luckily I already don’t trust the internet already and don’t go anywhere online without script blockers and I don’t open emails as a rule of thumb. I am sure it will be dangerous, but I am not relying on passive security already.

Dran_Arcana,

Every packet you send/receive relies on passive security. Your nic drivers, the driver kernel model, all of the userland applications that sit on top of it. I get that in practical terms, your firewall will do a lot of the heavy lifting but there are passive rce vulnerabilities in previous unsupported versions of Windows that are trivially exploitable today.

Nosavingthrow,

Man, I wish these people would fucking be cool. I just want to play games. There is nothing valuable on my desktop for you

Dran_Arcana,

Me too brother, but I disagree with your assessment on value

An non-blacklisted residential IP address with reasonable throughput is valuable in and of itself. DDOS botnets, proxies to bypass geo blocks or to obfuscate illicit traffic, etc. Also your gaming PC could be used for distributed compute workloads of compromised, usually crypto mining.

Any hardware/connection has value if it’s “free”. It’s just a numbers game beyond that.

Nosavingthrow,

You’ve convinced me. They want access to my connection and maybe some processing power; they DON’T want my dungeons and dragons notes.

Dran_Arcana,

When ML training farms run out of new text to train on, “they” may very well want your original writing too…

Nosavingthrow,

Mother of god. They might steal my ‘Brown’ Elemental, that eats excrement and excretes clean, potable water. It will cimb up your ass and kill you if you sleep in the sewers. They definitely are going to steal this, specially.

MehBlah,

I’m blocking addresses at the router daily. I could live with 11 if I could uninstall their garbage. I’ve tried any number of things to keep crapilot 365 off of my domain machines but I’m told I have to have the enterprise edition to do that.

Adalast,

Yeah, legislation needs passed that any software on any device purchased or leased must be removable without voiding warranties or service contracts. That would go a long way towards making phones, computers, and other devices less invasive and actually privacy protected.

Dran_Arcana,

For now, ctt winutil does a pretty good job at removing the cruft. I’ve long since switched to debian for my daily driver, but as a remote-access sunshine host for games that require kernel level anticheat, it’s surprisingly usable.

For anyone looking to keep windows around in some capacity, I strongly recommend it. github.com/ChrisTitusTech/winutil

MehBlah,

I need something automated that I can run on each machine in the domain. I haven’t read any of the docs on this utility. Perhaps it has a way to do that.

Vari,

Plus, I just want to own my fucking computer. I shouldn’t have to go into the registry to get rid of edge.

Plastic_Ramses, do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?

No, I use windows 11 and it works great.

histic,

lol

Apeman42, do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?
@Apeman42@lemmy.world avatar

Can anyone recommend a distro (and desktop environment?) that’s going to be almost the same as desktop mode on the Steam deck? I’m getting more comfortable in that than I expected to be in any Linux, and to my surprise and delight I haven’t had to delve into the command line at all yet.

offspec,

The steam deck uses KDE Plasma 5 as its desktop environment, so anything that uses that should feel very similar. I recommend bazzite if familiarity is something that would appeal to you.

Mogofwin,

+1 for Bazzite. It has just enough guard rails to keep you from (easily) making your system unusable while still providing more freedom than windows. Install is cake. Literally clear a drive or partition for your OS and storage, download it, and you’re off to the races. just make sure to always check your build against protondb For games to see if there are any special run commands to put into steam, and you will be golden.

offspec,

Yeah I can’t say I’ve used it myself but it seems pretty straightforward and very in line with SteamOS philosophies.

Mogofwin,

Very much so. Even for non-gaming, most stuff works out of the box from the package manager, everything else you can get working with a distrobox. Ended up getting blender to work better on Bazzite with AMD GPU rendering than I could on Windows lol

ivanafterall,
@ivanafterall@lemmy.world avatar

Would I fuck myself over by putting it on a partition on the same drive as my Windows install? It’s my fastest hard drive, but I can’t just immediately give up everything I have on Windows.

Mogofwin,

I hav heard that there can be issues with windows updates messing up Bazzite if installed on the same drive. I got a separate drive just for my Bazzite install to be on the safe side.

daggermoon,

The most recent update ships Plasma 6 I believe.

Link,

That update is still is preview curently. The stable branch is still on Plasma 5

daggermoon,

Oh my bad.

valaramech, (edited )
@valaramech@fedia.io avatar

You can also install SteamOS which is literally what the Steam Deck runs.

EDIT: Disregard, I can't read.

Matt,

That is the old Debian-based operating system that ran on Steam Machines and is no longer supported. Valve really needs to remove it from their website. The version of SteamOS running on the Steam Deck is Arch-based.

valaramech, (edited )
@valaramech@fedia.io avatar

Weird, I found the Arch-based one once but now I can't find it. Everything keeps pointing me back to that page...

EDIT: All I can find now is HoloISO - which seems to be in a reasonable place, I guess.

Saprophyte,
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pathief,
@pathief@lemmy.world avatar

The desktop environment is called KDE Plasma. Every distribution with KDE will look and feel very similar.

Fedora is a good and safe bet for a distribution.

yourNewFavouriteUser, do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?

linux, either endeavor or nobara

Ofiuco, do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?

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  • valaramech,
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    I've been wondering for a little while now if WinApps will work for gaming. It uses a VM in the background but, supposedly, has a "native" experience. Thoughts?

    Minnels, do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?

    Installed bazzite today. Was easier than installing windows.

    commander, do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?

    The more people hop onto Linux the faster and better funded support for Linux development becomes. If you’re a single player gamer or play Valve multiplayer games primarily, make the jump to Linux. Get on Mint, get on Fedora, Ubuntu, etc and get off Microsoft’s shitboat. You already took off from Reddit. Wean off all these other money/data leeches

    Suck_on_my_Presence,

    I’m on Mint and have been for 2-3 years now and I’ve never had any problems with non-valve multiplayer. I don’t use any VMs and just run everything through proton and have never struggled.

    Battlebit, Helldivers, Lethal Company (+mods), Risk of Rain 2, Rocket League, Minecraft, and Split Fiction to name a few. I guarantee there are others I’ve played, but I can’t remember.

    trouble,

    Can Linux run Valorant?

    Nephalis,

    No Kernel level anti cheat will ever work on linux. But probably Windows will disable the possibillity to manipulate on kernel level either in the future.

    pinball_wizard,

    But probably Windows will disable the possibillity to manipulate on kernel level either in the future.

    Sort of, right?

    We know Windows will continue cracking down on kernel module adds, since the Crowd strike disaster.

    But I figure most anti-cheat will just shift to non-kernel and keep working.

    Of course, at that point most anti-cheat of will then work under Proton, on Linux, too.

    Which was maybe your point.

    Okay, I don’t think I added anything for you, but I’ll leave this in case it helps someone reading along with us.

    Carrot,

    Watching you reason this out was fun

    bread,
    @bread@feddit.nl avatar

    No.

    kazerniel,
    @kazerniel@lemmy.world avatar

    Thanks for this link, neat to see that Uncharted Waters Online apparently runs on Linux despite it’s ridiculously strict anti-cheat. (To this day it’s the only game I’ve played that had an issue with Process Explorer running in the background 🤦‍♂️)

    B0NK3RS, do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?
    @B0NK3RS@lemmy.world avatar

    I have an older pc that I use as a a Plex server so as soon as I get some time I will fully switch to Ubuntu.

    MellowYellow13, do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?

    Linux is the way

    mooncake, do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?
    @mooncake@lemm.ee avatar

    I upgraded to Windows 11.

    I tried Linux but but so much stuff isn’t supported so I got rid of it.

    histic,

    What other then adobe and rootkit anti cheat’s don’t work

    crusa187,

    For gaming, It’s mostly niche windows things in my experience. In my case I opted to stay on linux anyway. Also worth noting, I find that outside of gaming linux is superior for work and general pc use.

    Some manufacturer programs for doing things like mouse macros or controlling LED lighting, auto hotkey scripts, some types of overlays tied to directx apis (yolomouse), etc. These things don’t and probably will never work. I think some of them might if you really know your stuff with wine, but that usually ends up being dependency hell for me and I give up more often than succeeding when trying to force a windows native program to run.

    histic,

    For the first 2 there are 3rd party programs for it the rest yea probably won’t work

    crusa187,

    Yeah I’m aware of openrgb, it has limited compatibility but seems to work ok for most of my stuff. Still haven’t found a great way to run my favorite corsair keyboard reactive lighting theme I had setup with their software in windows, but what I came up with in openrgb is good enough.

    However, I didn’t think it was possible to run autoIt or autoHotkey at all in Linux. Are you suggesting a Python script to replace it, or something else? AHK has a very peculiar syntax which I don’t believe would translate well to other languages.

    histic,

    Depends if your on x11 or Wayland ahk does have a port to x11 scripts do require modification otherwise ydotool is available on Wayland I haven’t done much research into it but appears it can do a lot of what you might want

    crusa187,

    Hey that’s pretty cool, I happen to be on x11 still but plan to switch to Wayland once Cosmic is in beta.

    This is great info, will look into this further. Ty!

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