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Fleur_, do games w Gacha games are out of control. Gambling shouldn't be so widespread

Don’t gamble please for the love of fuck, all gambling is mathematically designed to never pay off for the one gambling

RobotZap10000,
@RobotZap10000@feddit.nl avatar

It’s a lot easier to design when the only payout are pixels on a screen.

EatATaco,

I generally agree, but poker is an exception where, if skilled enough, you can actually make money.

Blackmist,

The problem is that everybody sitting around that table thinks they’re skilled enough.

EatATaco,

Plenty of times I agree. However, no other game in the casino is one so heavily reliant on skill, and if you are skilled in it, it can pay off.

xavier666, (edited )

Excuse me but I heard that the real problem with gamblers is that 99% of them quit before winning big.

BruceTwarzen,

You are 100% sure to win if you play long enough.

_Lory98_, (edited ) do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of September 15th

After enjoying Ys I and II, I played Origin, which was hugely disappointing. It just felt so unsatisfying to play, and the single dungeon was boring af. I pushed through hoping at least the story would get interesting, but after almost finishing it again with the second character it never did, so I gave up and dropped it. I’m not sure if I want to try the other games in the series, seeing as this is considered one of, if not the, best.

Literally just started playing Tales of Vesperia (~30 minutes). First impressions are that it looks really nice, the combat feels better than the other Tales I tried (Arise and Berseria) and I’m linking the setting and character designs.

peopleproblems, do games w Gacha games are out of control. Gambling shouldn't be so widespread

Sure, but, technically, without Gacha games I would t have discovered my ex wife sexting another dude. Because she was attempting to hide the money she spent in credit cards I didn’t have access to, then wanted me to pay.

Which led me to digging around, discovering the unaltered statement, then she got drunk and the phone was open in her hand playing some stupid virtual bingo and a snap popped up and wouldnt you know it

tee9000,

True

paddirn, do games w Gacha games are out of control. Gambling shouldn't be so widespread

I started playing one of the Gacha games a few months back now, Watcher of Realms, I think the only reason I started was because it showed jiggling boobies in a trailer. The name is goofy and the story is almost non-existant, the gameplay isn’t terribly deep, but has some nuances to it, it’s like a tower defense RPG game. It’s kind of dumb as a game because it records your playthroughs of scenarios that you can then use later on to “Auto-fight” for you as you frequently have to grind for different shit. So you basically set the game on auto-pilot and stop playing the game. I’ve been playing for something like 6 months now, but I’ve been committed from the start to never pay a single dime for it and I’ve stuck with that the entire time. Granted, I’ve put way too much time into the game and, if time is money, I’ve wasted a bunch that way, but I’ve never actually paid for anything in currency. Cheap skate 4 life. I honestly don’t know why I keep playing, knowing what the game is setup for, but I still log in day after day.

I can definitely see how it encourages players to spend money, there’s so many mini-currencies within the game that obfuscate what you need to do to earn this or that hero or get whatever thing you’re trying for, but ultimately the incentive is to buy shit to get further along. In this game though, the rates are so goddamn ridiculous that you’d have to be an impatient jackass to pay the rates they want for simple things that don’t even give any guarantees of better performance in the game. On the one hand, I thing games like this are evil for trying to take advantage of people, but on the other, if you’re that stupid and that rich that you have money to burn on a game like this… maybe throwing your money away on digital stuff isn’t the worse thing you could be wasting your money on (like real world drugs or donating to Trump or something stupid like that). But yes, for kids who haven’t mentally developed yet, there probably should be some sort of protections for them, since they’ll pay for dumb shit at the drop of a hat.

Moonguide, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of September 15th

Prepping, still, for a DnD campaign. Pulling all the stops, with music (ripped from Cyberpunk 2077 and looped), art (done by me), branching narratives when my players do something unexpected, custom homebrew mechanics (it’s cyberpunk red ported into 5e, so as best as it can be ported), etc. I really want to start it soon but I have to migrate all the stuff I had made on a foundry server to my computer, and that’ll take time since I’m cleaning it up as I go.

Apart from that, killing bugs and heretics on Space Marine 2, killing bugs and heretics on Rimworld, and killing imperialists and fascists on Squad.

GammaGames, do gaming w I have been getting into emulation (discussion)

What games have ya been playing?

Gamers_mate,

The first two ratchet and clank games. I also copied the iso for the third game from the disc so I will be playing UYA next. After that I am going to make a copy of Gladiator/Deadlocked and play that.

IsThisAnAI, do games w Gacha games are out of control. Gambling shouldn't be so widespread

I’m so tired of this shit. I don’t care if people can’t handle their shit. Their problem, not mine. If I want to gamble I can gamble. I don’t care if some shitty parent is letting their kids gamble. Nanny state bullshit.

Trainguyrom,

Gambling is heavily regulated in most countries, often including requiring the odds of winning being clearly listed and regulating the profit margin that The House can take (usually limited to less than 10%)

Many casinos and developers of addictive games will hire psychologists and other experts on human condition to help them find ways to make the game more addictive and make it easier to seperate players from their money. These “dark patterns” both make gaming worse and make it more dangerous for anyone unfortunate enough to develop an addiction.

In short, I welcome regulation on the worst aspects of the game industry to keep the worst aspects from become too financially successful to not implement (see the $60 AA and AAA games that launched with lootboxes and predatory micro-transactions like this one about 10 years ago before some countries announced they were investigating regulating such practices)

IsThisAnAI,

I don’t give a shit other than proper labels. The rest is nanny state bullshit.

Trainguyrom,

If you think preventing predatory practices through legislation is a “nanny state” then I think you fail to understand the purpose of a government in a society with profit-driven companies

FozzyOsbourne,

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  • IsThisAnAI,

    I do empathize but your mental health isn’t my responsibility. If you don’t wear a seatbelt I didn’t give a fuck. But let’s take your strawman a bit further, video games have been shown to cause agressiness and anti social behavior. Do you support banning them all? What is, in your opinion, where the state should step in to protect people from themselves.

    www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6790614/#:~:….

    CharlesReed, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of September 15th
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    I've kind of been needing a "gaming reset" since lately I've just been dabbling here and there without really committing to anything, so I decided to check in on my current save in Sims 3. I forgot how addicting this game can be lol. I'll probably play this for a few days and then finish my second playthrough of Lies of P that's been sitting for weeks now.

    Hundun, do gaming w What games would you recommend others to just play on easy difficulty

    Uncharted, especially the final installment. On normal and higher difficulty dealing with the enemies becomes a bit of a chore: they force you to hide a lot, as well as waste entire clips of ammo on a single guy. On easy the game becomes forgiving enough food you too start pulling off cool stunts: swinging on ropes, shooting during a climb/jump, etc.

    It’s just more fun on easy.

    hisao, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of September 15th

    Finished Pseudoregalia yesterday. Really a special platformer with iconic goat-bunny-cat lady mc, a lot of gradually unlocked trick moves, parkour puzzles, and zero hand-holding in freely traversable non-linear interconnected game world. It’s only like 10h of gameplay in average, but it’s perfect size for its format really. Not too small to feel really small and not too big for wandering around to become annoying.

    Whopraysforthedevil, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of September 15th
    @Whopraysforthedevil@midwest.social avatar

    I got back into BG3. Gonna finally get myself to Moonrise Tower.

    Meltrax, do games w Gacha games are out of control. Gambling shouldn't be so widespread

    You’re like 5 years late on this realization. Unfortunately not much is changing.

    HK65,

    It seems the EU is moving on this issue with their usual tectonic speed.

    dailywrap.ca/video-game-giants-face-eu-scrutiny-o…

    Let’s hope they also hit with their usual tectonic force.

    lolcatnip,

    Compared to the US, the EU is lightning fast. California probably beats them sometimes, though.

    HK65,

    Cali is a hit or miss, the Cali privacy reg has been so watered down compared to the GDPR it feels like the ad industry got it in to prevent future harsher regulations.

    Canadian_Cabinet, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of September 15th

    Been going through my third play-through of Baldur’s Gate 3 recently. Its crazy that I’m still finding things I somehow missed or took a different path to get

    Poopfeast420, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of September 15th
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    Just when the new season in World of Warcraft starts, I stop playing. I had a lot of fun, but also played a lot these last couple of months. WoW is also not a game I just play on the side. If I play it, I basically play nothing else. No idea when I’ll be back, probably if my best friend starts again, but who knows if that happens.

    I wanted to check out the latest re-release of Doom with Doom + Doom II, and look at the new episode, but decided to try and play through all the levels of the first two games on Ultra-Violence, Pistol Start, and no save scumming. I’m halfway through episode three of Doom, and it’s not been too difficult so far. Three levels took me a few tries, the rest wasn’t too bad. The main thing is a lack of ammo, especially at the start of a level, so you either got to get comfortable punching things or cause infighting. I usually choose the former, so the Berserk power-up is always a welcome sight.

    Then I started Lies of P. I killed three major bosses so far and it’s alright. I play on KB+M, and as always controls are just so-so. It’s not like you have 60-100 keys available, so better put two or three abilities on the same button or force players to cycle through item shortcuts.

    Peruvian_Skies, do games w Gacha games are out of control. Gambling shouldn't be so widespread

    I was a young idiot making minimum wage and I spent 500 dollars in a gacha game over a three month period. It’s been years and I still wake up at night, remember this and feel the strongest remorse.

    stoly,

    I’m sorry, it really sounds like it turned into an addiction for you. Very happy that you got away from it. Be careful with addictive substances or activities in your life, some people have a predisposition for it.

    Peruvian_Skies,

    I very much have that predisposition. I’ve noticed that I have addictive behavior towards sugar and caffeine as well (I’m fine as long as I don’t have any, but if I have some I’ll continue to crave more at shorter and shorter intervals until I go to sleep and it resets), and recently celebrated my third month nicotine free after about four years total smoking and then vaping.

    Addictive proclivities are a personal defect normally. But when you exist in a context where there are people whose job it is to get you hooked on things, they become a handicap.

    Zahille7,

    I spent $800 on Fallout: Shelter

    Peruvian_Skies,

    Fuck, my condolences.

    greenskye,

    I don’t allow myself to play any mobile games anymore. Spent like $300 on one of those idle games. Not worth it. I refuse to play any free to play titles at all, no matter the platform these days.

    Peruvian_Skies,

    Better to play it safe.

    xavier666,

    I once spent $10 on a mobile game. You can get a special item by purchasing gems or by winning coins for which you have to grind for a year. After getting the item, i felt so disgusted that I gave up mobile gaming and shifted to PC.

    BruceTwarzen,

    This was pretty much my experience. I played some browser game with friends, way before gatcha and mobile games. Gor today’s standards, the game was actually pretty good, but i started like a week or two later than my friends so i payed for a booster pack or something that was like 10 dollars and i immediately regretted it so hard. I almost felt sick and like an idiot.

    smeg,

    You escaped addiction (hopefully) without too many long-term consequences, hopefully that remorse will help you avoid similar situations in the future :)

    Peruvian_Skies,

    Ifnit helps me to avoid something even worse later on, maybe it was even worth the 500 bucks! Hopefully I’ll never have to find out.

    yamanii,
    @yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

    But the industry said you whales were rich gamers that had too much money and didn’t know what to do with it! /s

    Peruvian_Skies,

    Damn, I’ve never thought of myself as a whale before but I guess for a while there I was. I wonder how many of the people we see in these games with all the premium characters and skins are like me, struggling. I always thought of them as having more money than sense but maybe they (we) lack both.

    BruceTwarzen,

    I watched a documentary on Darksyde Phil. He managed to spend 44000 on a Wrestling gambling game per month.

    I think the bright side is that you learned something even tho it was a 500 dollar lesson.

    I used to work with a guy who was super cheap. Like i sometimes payed for his coffee or whatever, because i always did that with friends and co workers, and sometimes they would pay too. He never did that. One day we talked about video games and spending habits. He said he doesn’t play video games, but he played clash of clans. I didn’t really know what clash of clans is, aside from seeing some screenshots and seeing memes. He said that he spend 500-800 dollars a month on the game. It kinda blew me away, because i knew that whales often spend a bunch of cash on games, i just was a bit shocked about the amount and that it was HIM. He looked at me and said, oh that’s nothing, you should see what my girlfriend spends on candy crush.

    Peruvian_Skies,

    Yikes. At least he’s dating someone with similar interests?

    You’re right about the lesson learned. A silver lining.

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