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sugar_in_your_tea, do games w I'm a console gamer so, Why the hate on the Epic Games Store?

Here are my reasons:

  • no Linux support - Heroic works, why doesn’t Epic do what GOG do and revenue share w/ Heroic?
  • exclusivity deals, which reduces options outside of EGS
  • Epic’s anticheat works on Linux, but their own games that use it don’t, that’s a pretty big slap in the face

I certainly want more competition to Steam, but that competition needs to do something other than exist for me to use it. GOG is that, and if they properly supported Linux, they’d get most of my gaming money. But they don’t, so they only get some of it.

Yeah, this probably reads like a Linux fanboy post or something, but I’ve been using Linux longer than Steam supported it with its client, and I’ll still be here if Steam leaves. It’s my platform of choice, and a vendor needs to meet me here if they want my business. Valve did, so they get my money. I honestly don’t need much, I just need games to work properly on my system.

NuXCOM_90Percent, do games w I'm a console gamer so, Why the hate on the Epic Games Store?

There are a few layers to it. I’ll start with the legit reasons and hope the jackasses don’t read too deep in:

  1. EGS was built around the idea of providing what people need/want rather than EVERYTHING. Some of that was truly asinine (no shopping cart for like 2 years?) and some was a conscious choice based on everyone saying they don’t want their video game store to be a social media network. Unfortunately… people apparently DO want their video game store to be social media.
  2. Every store handles regional pricing and distribution differently and, allegedly, EGS had worse coverage in a few of the countries The Internet actually knows exists.
  3. Tim Sweney is a complete and utter dipshit and always has been and it is REALLY hard to not hate everything he touches.
  4. EGS rapidly entwined itself with Fortnite because Fortnite makes more than the GDP of some small nations. But we are hardcore gamers so we all hate Fortnite.
  5. Sweeney/Epic actually accidentally argued for consumer rights against Apple which, in turn, led to the full force of Apple running smear campaigns against Epic to make sure that we all realized how much we love walled gardens
  6. Sweeney/Epic ALSO kind of picked a fight with Steam by pointing out how little developers get from any given sale. Which… because we all love Valve means that Epic are assholes and developers all actively want to strive to get the negotiating power of a Call of Duty or Rockstar.
  7. Speaking of. EGS isn’t Valve and any alternative is inherently evil because we all love Valve.

So what was a mediocre store with a lot of free games and a tendency to give developers a giant sack of money for one year of exclusivity became The Devil.

Azrael,
@Azrael@lemmy.ca avatar

Not sure why you’re getting downvoted this is actually the most thought out response I’ve seen.

Thanks!

Contramuffin, (edited ) do games w I'm a console gamer so, Why the hate on the Epic Games Store?

Sweeney (the CEO of Epic) says that he wants competition with Steam, but many of his actions point toward that he really just wants to be the guy at the top (ie, he wants to be the monopoly instead of Valve). He’s taken a fair number of anti-consumerist stances, which vary from understandable to clearly anti-competitive.

Epic is known for making exclusivity deals with 3rd party studios in which Epic bribes the studio with money, and in exchange, the studio does not release their game on Steam for 1 year.

At several points, this occurred after a studio already said that they will release on Steam, and the studio would have to walk back and delete their Steam listing.

Iirc, at one point Epic bought out a studio and had them remove the Steam listing for an already-released game, causing the game to be unplayable for people who had already bought the game

Edit: this apparently happened twice (Unreal Tournament and Rocket League), but it appears that the games still work for the people who bought it. I think the concern was actually that Steam players would lose functionality due to not being supported anymore after the unlisting

The Epic Game Store released in a non-functional state, and development on it is extremely slow. The first impression of the broken store likely still influences many people’s impression of the store. But it’s still missing many features that many gamers want to see in a store.

There were various rumors when the store first launched that it contained spyware. My understanding is that those rumors never fully got disproven, especially since some of the claims were supported by at least some evidence

Epic does not support Linux, and Sweeney has openly said that he does not plan to support Linux until it becomes more popular. He did immediately jump on board with supporting Arm though, which caused a lot of Linux gamers to think that he just doesn’t want to support Linux

Sweeney is a pretty abrasive person and iirc he made a lot of concerning statements on his social media. Several of them (as mentioned above) indicate that he wants to dethrone Valve so that he can be the monopoly instead

Overall, many gamers are in support of more competition in the game store space. Unfortunately, many gamers also think that Epic is an untrustworthy competitor, and they believe that Epic has a serious chance of making the gaming industry worse if they become more popular. As a result, many would prefer for Steam remain the monopoly rather than to take a bet on Epic.

LettyWhiterock,
@LettyWhiterock@lemmy.world avatar

I hadn’t heard about a game being made unplayable after they bought it, that’s seriously shitty. What game was it?

Contramuffin,

It was a while ago, I don’t remember off the top of my head which specific game I’m remembering. Doing a brief search, it appears that this happened to Unreal Tournament and Rocket League, though it appears that the games still work for the people who bought it before the unlisting. I think the concern was losing functionality, especially for server-based or multiplayer games

ozymandias117,

For unplayable, Rocket League had very good Linux and macos native builds Epic required them to delete support for those operating systems as part of the acquisition of Psyonix

LettyWhiterock,
@LettyWhiterock@lemmy.world avatar

Oh yeah, I didn’t think about that. That’s super gross.

SCmSTR,

And the entire launcher and store’s ui has been, and still is, hot, moldy, shit-smeared garbage ass.

Tattorack,
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t forget about that one time Epic gave away an indie game for free… On the week it launched… Without consulting the devs.

BackgrndNoize,

Yeesh I knew Epic was run by dick heads but I didn’t know they were this slimy, I’m glad I’ve only bought one game on their platform (Subnautica below zero), and that’s only because I got the original Subnautica for free from their weekly giveaway and loved it. I’ll continue to get the free games from them as it’s good to take a chance on games that you otherwise might never learn about.

xavier666,

Don’t forget that Sweeney himself said that the Epic store is slow.

DudeImMacGyver, do gaming w Quests? Storylines? Never heard of her
@DudeImMacGyver@kbin.earth avatar

fishes

SolarMonkey, do gaming w Quests? Storylines? Never heard of her

If they wanted me to do the main story first they wouldn’t have made side quests and collectibles to pad out the play time immediately available.

This has backfired big time from time to time, for example horizon forbidden west, all that side shit is much easier if you actually do most of the main story asap…

But typically it just means the end boss is easier and that’s ok.

bleistift2, do gaming w Quests? Storylines? Never heard of her

Who hasn’t re-interpreted any Zelda game into a lawn mower simulator?

mercano,
@mercano@lemmy.world avatar
  • other than the first two.
Broadfern, do gaming w Quests? Storylines? Never heard of her
@Broadfern@lemmy.world avatar

Everybody 300 hours into Skyrim: what’s a main story?

FoxyFerengi,

So many hours jumping up mountains just to see if there’s a view from the top. Or at least a faster route to the waypoint. spoiler: No

DarrinBrunner, do gaming w Quests? Storylines? Never heard of her

I’m currently downloading a 2 GB mod from Nexus for FO4, because I have “nothing to do”, except the main questline.

pdqcp, do games w Doom the dark ages...

If anything has Denuvo, I’ll skip it

missingno, do games w I'm a console gamer so, Why the hate on the Epic Games Store?
@missingno@piefed.social avatar

Epic doesn't support my operating system.

dubyakay,

Which operating system is that?

filcuk,

TempleOS

Kolanaki, do gaming w Quests? Storylines? Never heard of her
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

When you finally do the main quest because it’s all there is left to do and it only takes you 10 minutes: “That’s it?

cm0002,
@cm0002@lemmy.world avatar

Lol I love rolling through the main story when the game expects me to be magnitudes of lower level/gear

BlameTheAntifa, do games w I'm a console gamer so, Why the hate on the Epic Games Store?

First, the EGS software is really bad. It’s slow, clunky, a pain to navigate, and is missing loads of basic features that Steam has had for decades.

Second, rather than improving their offering to make it more competitive and appealing to consumers, they’ve utilized coercive tactics like exclusivity to force adoption rather than earning it on merits.

MyDarkestTimeline01, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of May 18th

Doom The Dark Ages, Space Marine 2, CoD: BO6.

remington, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of May 18th
@remington@beehaw.org avatar

Diablo 4 season 8

Goretantath, do games w Doom the dark ages...

Can’t wait for that one modder who makes games look like shit to disable the raytracing.

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