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BenLeMan, do games w Funny bad games reviews

I (occasionally) like the frantic style of Ben “Yahtzee” Croshaw’s Zero Punctuation game reviews. Together with the wacky animations, they’re quite something.

BenLeMan, do games w Good game soundtracks?

My favorite soundtrack ever, of course, is that of The Secret of Monkey Island (MT-32) by Michael Land. A lot of nostalgia there.

I also very much like the soundtrack to Dune by Stephane Picq. There’s an edition that combines the Adlib, Adlib Gold, and MT-32 versions which is “chef’s kiss”. Alternatively, I can recommend the Space Opera edition.

Strike Commander by Nenad Vugrinec on MT-32 is also great.

For chiptunes, I really liked Penny Arcade’s On the Rain-Slick Precipice of Darkness 3 by Alex Mauer.

Or, for a real classic, Earthbound by Keiichi Suzuki and Hirokazu Tanaka.

Yes, I have a bit of a thing for retro sounds. 😁

sOlitude24k, do gaming w Does anyone here play tf2 or dark and darker?

I’m a pretty big fan of Dark and Darker! Will admit, the randoms from the Discord are… Questionable at best lol. Would definitely be happy to roll with ya whenever you’re not streaming, though! PM me your deets!

Telorand, do gaming w Does anyone here play tf2 or dark and darker?

Wish I did, because I’d play with you, but if those companies aren’t taking moderation seriously, I’d personally choose to do something else. There’s lots of other games out there, after all!

rosethornRangerTTV,

a lot of other games, but none like those I’m afraid

and I haven’t seen a game that takes moderation seriously enough yet, they are all run by capitalists

theangriestbird,

By tf2 are you referring to Team Fortress 2? I feel like every shooter these days is a class-based shooter, what sets tf2 apart from something like Overwatch?

rosethornRangerTTV,

literally none of them have spy or anything close to it for a start

rosethornRangerTTV,

overwatch fucked itself up so hard its barely playable now

theangriestbird,

xDefiant has a class with an invisibility skill (which lets one do plenty of shotgunning losers in the back)? Apex Legends has Mirage with various decoy and invisibility skills? idk, I don’t know every single one of these shooters, but I will grant you that the way the Spy works in TF2 is pretty unique.

rosethornRangerTTV,

a big issue is accessibility as well, a lot of those are organized around headshots and are much less clear visually, as well as requiring much stronger computers to play

so while tf2 has a fascist problem, it also has a lot of people i aint gonna leave behind

julianh,

So many games focus mainly on competitive play. Tf2 is the only multiplayer fps where I feel free to relax and goof off.

Telorand,

Deep Rock Galactic has been pretty cool (single purchase, no subscriptions). Nice community, devs who listen. Great solo experience, too.

Another good F2P game is Warframe. The community is generally nice, especially to new players.

Competitive games, though, seem to attract the alt-right tryhards who find pleasure in causing others misery. I quit those several years ago for my mental health, just because I was tired of listening to toxic people lose their shit. They can scream at each other, for all I care.

rosethornRangerTTV,

i turn mics off

Telorand,

Fair. Make sure you take care of your mental health, either way. No game is worth sacrificing it, but that’s just my humble opinion.

rosethornRangerTTV,

which is why i play them with groups of people

Servais, do gaming w #StopKillingGames update: Finland just passed the threshold.

Thanks, crossposted to !yurop

Barbarian, (edited ) do gaming w #StopKillingGames update: Finland just passed the threshold.
@Barbarian@sh.itjust.works avatar

Are we sure we want this? Here is an indie game dev I trust going through why this petition is a bad idea.

EDIT: OP has shown me that Code Monkey has a counterargument to Thor’s argument. I don’t find it super convincing personally, but I highly recommend people watch both and make up your own minds.

ransomwarelettuce,

Yeah I voted kind of blindly, and then read how vague the proposal was.

I agree that live service games should have an end of life plan, being it providing backend binaries and/or protocols and documentation.

This all started because of The crew, a game which, as far as I am aware, advertised itself as mainly a single player and was closed because of Ubisoft shenanigans.

Maybe starting small and make sure this so advertised as single player experiences, work even after the publisher marks the game as dead, and build upon that instead of trying to go all in but idk.

hoshikarakitaridia,
@hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world avatar

I agree.

Although I have to say:

  1. Everyone agrees live service and Singleplayer games are distinct and marketing should be very specific about those
  2. I disagree with Thor about archiving. The game files and server files should be given to a national archive after servers are shutdown and the game in it’s core function becomes unplayable.
  3. I think there is value in protecting private servers from getting sued if the official servers are shut down. That way, no one has to just eat the cost if there’s no interest in the game and fans will not get sued into oblivion.
  4. I know this is only a petition, but: giving this to politicians who have no clue about games will be akin to rolling a d20 and hoping for a 19 or 20. We need to be specific about what we want and only then should we introduce it to ppl who have the power to change it. And if it stays outlined as is, I can not support it.
BlackLaZoR,
@BlackLaZoR@kbin.run avatar

Thor fails to understand what kind of legal shit the live service game devs got themselves into - since they offer licence for unspecified amount of time, and committed thmselves to provide server side of things, this could be challenged in court as obligation to upkeep servers forever. What were they thinking?

At least this stop killing games initiative proposes a graceful exit from that shit.

Maven, (edited )

The guy who started it and other people helping push it have also responded and talked about how Thor doesn’t entirely get it/missed the point.

The biggest thing being:

It doesn’t accidentally include live service games because the wording is vague…

It purposely includes them because they are also games that you spent money on and therefore you deserve a product out of it. If you spent money on a thing… It’s your thing… Don’t let companies tell you otherwise.

Edit: I found the comment and I’m going to paste it here

“I’m afraid you’re misunderstanding several parts of our initiative. We want as many games as possible to be left in some playable state upon shutdown, not just specifically targeted ones. The Crew was justa convenient example to take action on, it represents hundreds of games that have already been destroyed in a similar manner and hundreds more"at risk” of being destroyed. We’re not looking at the advertising being the primary bad practice, but the preventable destruction of videogames themselves.

This isn’t about killing live service games (quite the opposite!), it’s primarily about mandating future live service games have an end of life plan from the design phase onward. For existing games, that gets much more complicated, I plan to have a video on that later. So live service games could continue operating in the future same as now, except when they shutdown, they would be handled similarly to Knockout City, Gran Turismo Sport, Scrolls, Ryzom, Astonia, etc. as opposed to leaving the customer with absolutely nothing.

A key component is how the game is sold and conveyed to the player. Goods are generally sold as one time purchases and you can keep them indefinitely. Services are generally sold with a clearly stated expiration date. Most “Live service” games do neither of these. They are often sold as a one-time purchase with no statement whatsoever about the duration, so customers can’t make an informed decision, it’s gambling how long the game lasts. Other industries would face legal charges for operating this way. This could likely be running afoul of EU law even without the ECI, that’s being tested.

The EU has laws on EULAS that ban unfair or one-sided terms. MANY existing game EULAS likely violate those. Plus, you can put anything in a EULA. The idea here is to take removal of individual ownership of a game off the table entirely.

We’re not making a distinction between preservation of multiplayer and single player and neither does the law. We fail to find reasons why a 4v4 arena game like Nosgoth should be destroyed permanently when it shuts down other than it being deliberately designed that way with no recourse for the customer.

As for the reasons why think this initiative could pass, that’s my cynicism bleeding though. think what we’re doing is pushing a good cause that would benefit millions of people through an imperfect system where petty factors of politicians could be a large part of what determines its success or not. Democracy can be a messy process and was acknowledging that. I’m not championing these flawed factors, but rather saying think our odds are decent.

Finally, while your earlier comments towards me were far from civil, don’t wish you any ill will, nor do encourage anyone to harass you. I and others still absolutely disagree with you on the necessity of saving games, but I wanted to be clear causing you trouble is not something I nor the campaign seeks at all. Personally, I think you made your stance clear, you’re not going to change your mind, so people should stop bothering you about it."

Vittelius,

and here is a different indie game dev giving his perspective on why Thor is wrong: www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_XhfY5qSbg

Barbarian,
@Barbarian@sh.itjust.works avatar

Thanks, I’ll add that link to my comment too. I think it’s important for people considering signing this to have all available information. Those arguments did not convince me, but I think it’s only fair to make it clear there are counterarguments.

paraphrand, do gaming w #StopKillingGames update: Finland just passed the threshold.

Let’s hope this petition isn’t filled with bad data either intentionally or by accident.

Vittelius,

you can always go on the website of the European Commission to see the verified data: citizens-initiative.europa.eu/…/000007_en#

At least 206,937 signatures have been verified so far

paraphrand,

Oh nice. I underestimated how their system works.

Lumisal, do gaming w #StopKillingGames update: Finland just passed the threshold.

Suomi Perkele!!!

Good luck to Sweden on getting second place so far though

DoucheBagMcSwag, (edited ) do gaming w Guitar Hero clone...with characters/venues?

With clones, You’re not going to get custom characters or custom venues. So get that out of the your head now.

Download clone hero and never look back. Works on Linux (steam deck)

Be grateful that clone hero allows you to play every single guitar hero and rock band song that ever existed in one game.

Comment105, do gaming w #StopKillingGames update: Finland just passed the threshold.

Few Eastern and Southern Europeans give a shit, Northern Europeans are all in, way more votes per capita. Sweden rallying together a whopping 0.13% of the country.

bread,
@bread@feddit.nl avatar

I don’t know whether it is the case, but it could be because those places have fewer English speakers, so they’re more difficult to reach.

nekusoul,
@nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de avatar

Looking at this map there seems to be at least some correlation. There really needs to be popular advocates for each language and country, particularly for the smaller ones and those with a low english speaking population.

MayonnaiseArch,
@MayonnaiseArch@beehaw.org avatar

It’s almost certainly a matter of reach. Eastern and Southern Europeans are poor compared to the others and we definitely do give a shit when somebody steals our shit

grue, do gaming w #StopKillingGames update: Finland just passed the threshold.
Vittelius,

thanks, I’ve fixed it

highduc, do gaming w I uninstalled RDR2 out of frustation after 100+ hours

I finally lost it with all the spoon-feeding and the hand-holding during missions, and when daddy rockstar did not like it when I did not play EXACTLY how they wanted me to, standing in the wrong spot - mission failed, try a different strategy - mission failed, jumped directly outside Danbury’s window - guess what - mission failed because Danbury just had a divine vision and destroyed the documents in a second. Fuck this shit.

I’m not necessarily with you on the other points. I guess I’m used to NPCs only spewing generic, canned lines. But this sucks so much. Huge issue imo.

Flamekebab, do gaming w Guitar Hero clone...with characters/venues?
@Flamekebab@piefed.social avatar

I'm curious about this as well - without the background stuff it feels kinda abstract and lifeless to me.

BuboScandiacus, do gaming w Thoughts on Space Games, Part 1: Top-5 AAA Games
@BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz avatar

Why didn’t I know of X4 before ? And why can’t I subscribe to people on lemmy, your post is so good !

the_toast_is_gone, do gaming w #StopKillingGames update: Finland just passed the threshold.

Man, this is getting signatures fast. Good luck, Europe!

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