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janAkali, do games w Are there any games like Diablo but not Diablo because Diablo?

Yes.

cyberpunk007,

Why even make the effort to comment?

loobkoob, do games w Are there any games like Diablo but not Diablo because Diablo?

Last Epoch and Grim Dawn are probably most in line with Diablo, I think.

People have mentioned Path Of Exile, and I've played a lot of it, but I don't think it feels particularly like Diablo any more, even though it started out that way. It's quite unforgiving, and even a lot of experienced players feel like they need to follow build guides rather than work things out for themselves. Its learning curve is hundreds or thousands of hours long. Of course, the reason for that is that it has incredible depth, variety and complexity, which may be a selling point or a deterrent depending on what you like! I definitely like the complexity of it myself, but it's very overwhelming when you're new. The reason I don't think it's all that in line with Diablo these days, though, is simply the pacing of the gameplay. You blow up screens of enemies at a time, and your deaths are often so fast that you're not really sure what killed you.

Path Of Exile also heavily revolves around its trading economy. Item drop rates are balanced around players being able to trade for them, which makes trading somewhat mandatory (unless you're a bit of a masochist). The economy is fairly complex, with there being a lot of different currencies, and quite a lot of factors that can affect the value of an item. I'll let you decide whether you find this appealing or not - some people do, some people don't! I do think it causes some issues with the balance and progression of the game, but it's interesting to say the least, even if you wish you didn't have to engage with it.

Grim Dawn feels a little mechanically dated at this point but it's still solid. It's got some good builds, the dual-class system and constellations system make for some interesting variety. It's got an offline mode, as well as online co-op play. Its real selling point, though, at least for me, is it's absolutely soaked with atmosphere. It's very, well, grim, but the world is really immersive and it has a great setting in general with a solid story and some great lore. It also has quite a lot of mods available (including the Reign Of Terror mod I mentioned in another comment in the thread that adds the entire Diablo 2 campaign and all its classes to Grim Dawn).

Last Epoch is more mechanically interesting than Grim Dawn, I think, but it's lacking in the story and world-building. It's still in early access, although its full release is next week. It has quite a lot of depth and complexity, but it's all done in an intuitive way that means you can jump into the game blindly and work things out for yourself fairly easily. It has a good variety of skills, and the fact that each skill has its own fairly comprehensive skill tree means you can play the same skills in very different ways. It has a wonderful itemisation system that does a great job of making you actually engage with the loot you find on the floor (which is an issue in other loot games), and some of the best crafting I've ever seen in a game. The dev team also manages to come up with some really creative and somewhat intuitive solutions to things they perceive as issues in other ARPGs.

Last Epoch's biggest drawback is that its endgame is currently a little lacking in comparison to POE (which has a very rich and deep endgame, but is also a ten-year-old game that's been updated constantly). It's still far, far better than Diablo 4's, though, and will obviously only improve as more is added. Last Epoch has some truly brilliant systems in place for the devs to build off - and frankly, I still think it's great now - but it'll only get better as more content gets added over time.

I love all three games I've talked about for different reasons, and honestly, they're all well worth playing!

falsem,

The reason I don't think it's all that in line with Diablo these days, though, is simply the pacing of the gameplay. You blow up screens of enemies at a time, and your deaths are often so fast that you're not really sure what killed you.

Yeah, that's why I don't care for POE anymore these days.

surewhynotlem, do games w Are there any games like Diablo but not Diablo because Diablo?

Torchlight 2 if you like the gear gathering and optimization.

squirrelwithnut, do games w Are there any games like Diablo but not Diablo because Diablo?

Last Epoch. It has the best crafting and best skill system of any ARPG IMO.

spedswir,

Absolutely this, the crafting system is a great balance of getting what you want but also giving you something to try again and again for.

Basically that and the talent trees inside skills sold me on this game.

squirrelwithnut,

And it has an actual endgame, leaderboards, and it’s half the price of Diablo 4. It’s a no-brainer IMO.

clearleaf, do games w Are there any games like Diablo but not Diablo because Diablo?

Lord of the rings on GBA is a pretty decent option if all you can do is emulate old systems.

Nacktmull, do games w Are there any games like Diablo but not Diablo because Diablo?
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There are many good games listed here. However, focus on Path of Exile. It´s what Diablo 3 should have been.

Slayan, do games w Are there any games like Diablo but not Diablo because Diablo?

The incredible adventure of van helsing.

Sanctus, do games w Are there any games like Diablo but not Diablo because Diablo?
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Since the good ones have been said, allow me to give a niche option; Untold Legends. Grab youself a psp or an emulator and enjoy. It slaps.

Ketram,

Yo, I got a PSP as a kid and this game came with it. Very dark, an absolute trip of a game.

tiredofsametab, do games w Are there any games like Diablo but not Diablo because Diablo?

Torchlight 2 should scratch that itch. To me, Path of Exile is something the Diablo series could have been but wasn't exactly? Though I haven't played it in a number of years, so I may be mis-remembering exactly what it was like. I seem to think it was more like a point-and-click RPG with kinda Diablo-like combat.

Glide,

Path of Exile has “evolved”, and not in a way I like, in the most recent years.

It’s a very fast, clear-speed focused game, now, more so than ever. Even inside it’s genre, it’s exceptionally build focused and not very interactive during play, which is impressive, considering these are things the genre is known for.

yokonzo, do games w Are there any games like Diablo but not Diablo because Diablo?

Oh God there’s so many options I’m honestly not sure where I’m gonna find the time to play all of these now but I sure want to

Clasm, do games w Are there any games like Diablo but not Diablo because Diablo?

I’ve had a lot of fun with Book of Demons, which is a bit more simplified, but really respects whatever amount of time I have to put into it!

Donjuanme,

I’m so excited for their future projects, book of aliens will be a day 1 pre order for me. There are just a few things I’d change with the gameplay of book of demons, and it would be nice if the references were a bit more subtle, but it’s a great(if simplified) Diablo 2 meets rogue like multi class deck builder amalgamation.

Potatos_are_not_friends,

Book of Demons was so good. Shame the roadmap the indie studio made couldn’t be met. It was wildly ambitious.

Norgur, do games w Are there any games like Diablo but not Diablo because Diablo?

As an addition to all the great titles already mentioned: Wolcen

It was pretty rough around the edges when it released, but they since finished it and I liked it quite a lot.

ShadowRam, do games w Are there any games like Diablo but not Diablo because Diablo?

Path of Exile,

The true successor to Diablo 2

wildginger, do games w Are there any games like Diablo but not Diablo because Diablo?

Path of Exile.

Its 100% free, so you can play it like a demo until you are either fully in or bored.

It gets a season refresh every 3ish months with an entirely new mechanic, so most experienced players restart it 4 times a year, play a new build, and then stop playing when bored and return at the new season so its always got reasons to peek back in and see if you want to rejoin.

The leveling system is a little daunting at first, but the base game is completely playable newbie blind even if you pick “suboptimally” from the skill tree. If youre too worried about FoMo, there are tons of guides online for builds, both top level and newbie friendly.

The attack/skill system is very interesting and completely moddable, tons of replayablility.

If you like diablo, try PoE.

wildcardology,

Looking forward to PoE2

Haagel, do games w Are there any games like Diablo but not Diablo because Diablo?

Path of Exile is like Diablo for adults. It’s much more dark and intense in my opinion. It’s worth checking out because the New Zealanders who make it are genuinely good guys.

yokonzo,

It looks cool, the first one seems to be free as well

Donjuanme,

The second one will be free as well, it isn’t even in beta yet. All micro transactions (I’m sure all the visual ones, not sure about stash tabs but I think they would be as well) will be usable in both games as long as you’re using the same account.

Path of exile is a wonderful experience, I’d suggest watching nyxvellum on YouTube, he started playing path of exile as a Diablo 3/4 player, and has good takes both on starting blindly and using a build guide.

Don’t be intimidated, don’t listen to the trolls and detectors, you can play the entirety of the campaign without 2 clues to the game mechanics. End game you might find more difficult, but by then you’ve experienced a bit of everything and might be interested in pursuing something different from when you started playing.

If you’re going to start path of exile I’ll give you 2 tips, 1) get a generic basic super open loot filter (use one from the path of exile website and it’ll tie to your account and be updated automatically), 2) elemental resistances (to their cap) and HP are the most important stats, chaos resistance and damage being second most important.

It’s a wonderful game with a very active community and development studio.

jeff,
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Haha, yeah, free. I totally haven’t spent hundreds of dollars on the game. It’s over a decade with thousands of hours though. I haven’t really played the last couple years though, but that’s mostly because I have small children and a career

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