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ky56, do games w What's your favorite game through the ears of Original Soundtrack?

Portal 2. I can listen to the soundtrack and visualize my journey through the game. It’s a goddamn masterpiece.

ampersandrew, do gaming w What is something (feature, modes, settings...) you would like to see become a standard in video games?
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

LAN, direct IP connections, private servers, and when it makes sense, same-screen multiplayer. Several of these used to be standard. Games as a service are creating a dark age in video game history where lots of these works will arbitrarily disappear, and they don't have to.

tal,
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While I don’t disagree, if part of the game runs on the server and the game publisher is the only one with the server, it makes the game hard to pirate, so they’ve a potent incentive to do this.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

And I've got a potent incentive to not buy it when it's got a built-in expiration date. Baldur's Gate 3 and Cyberpunk 2077 are both available DRM-free and sold through millions of copies. BG3 has LAN, split-screen, and direct IP connections for its multiplayer, even.

saigot,

Also much harder to build cheats

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

It's harder to cheat when the server is authoritative, but it really doesn't matter who holds that server.

saigot,

If you have access to the server code you can reverse engineer it to look for vulnerability, and you can test it without having to worry about anticheat catching you.

ampersandrew,
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Security through obscurity isn't real security, and I'd argue that for some genres, especially FPSes, cheating is just going to be a fact of life due to how many software and hardware layers there are between human and game. So I'd rather be able to run my own server and only invite people who I know aren't going to cheat rather than say that the company should be able to sell me a worse version of the game (where I don't get to run the server) under some false pretenses that we're better off.

blaine,

I'm still waiting for split-screen coop on the PC version of the Master Chief Collection. Something they managed to achieve easily enough when Halo CE launched on PC 22 years ago still eludes developers today...

Phanatik,

Do you mean local split screen?

PleasantAura,

Having played Halo CE for PC recently…no, it doesn’t have split screen at all. That was only on the Xbox version (which is technically superior in quite a few ways). The only way to have split screen on Halo CE on PC is via console commands/mods. That said, I do agree with your overall point and I would love to be able to do split screen MCC on my PC without mods.

tal,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

I suppose that if you were hellbent on specifically setting this up, you could maybe do multiple VMs split onscreen, though last I looked, the situation for sharing 3d hardware across multiple VMs wasn’t great, and I am sure that it would be horribly inefficient, since each VM would be storing a duplicate copy of textures in VRAM. I have no idea how the PC version of Halo CE deals with weird aspect ratios.

It also wouldn’t have some integration like switching to a single large screen for cutscenes or the menu. But if you were just specifically hellbent on creating a multiplayer, single-screen Halo experience on the PC, you might be able to pull it off like that.

Another approach, if the hardware cost is acceptable, would be to have a laptop per player and then stream the output video to some multiplexing hardware that puts multiple screens on one TV. That would buy you per-player audio, which I don’t believe was possible on the original XBox release.

Plume,

That reminds me:

If there is split screen on console…

…why the fuck do I need to mod it into the PC version?!

It’s already there, leave it in! ;_;

Phanatik,

Call of Duty games are terrible for this. You can't just play split screen Spec Ops or multiplayer anymore unless you play on a console or you emulate it.

tal,
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There’s actually legitimately at least some functionality required there that exists on the console there that doesn’t on the PC. The consoles already have a console-level concept of a player-to-controller mapping. That doesn’t exist on the PC, so the individual game would need to implement it – it’s not entirely free.

A common approach on the PC to handling controllers is to assume that there is one player and that whichever controller is receiving input last is the controller to use. This deals nicely with the case where there are multiple specialized controllers used for different software packages, like “the user has a steering wheel, a flightstick, an XBox controller, a Playstation controller, and a Switch controller plugged in” case. Problem is, then you can’t go just assume that Controller 1 is the Player 1 controller, and Controller 2 is the Player 2 controller. That case doesn’t come up on consoles, because they constrain the controller situation so that you can’t do that, so the problem doesn’t arise on consoles.

n0xew, do games w What's your favorite game through the ears of Original Soundtrack?

Love it too! One that has been my top listen count for years is The Witcher 3 OST. The use of some slav traditional instruments was nothing I’ve ever heard like before, and it resonated a lot with the story. Special mention to:

  • The Wolf and The Swallow for giving me the chills everytime I listen to it
  • Hail To Caranthir also has something special to it.

Although neither tracks are part of the published albums :/

Skyline969, do gaming w What is something (feature, modes, settings...) you would like to see become a standard in video games?
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Make 4K textures a separate download, via a free DLC. That way if people only ever play in 1080p, they don’t need to waste disk space on files that will never get used.

blazera,
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Texture resolution isnt the same as screen space resolution, textures have to be wrapped around what might be complex, high surface area models. And dont forget how close you can get to things, where just a fraction of a whole model is filling your whole screen.

The option would still be nice but 4k textures do have an effect even on lower resolution screens.

Haatveit,

You are totally correct, but I feel like pointing out that a surprising number of games use the 4k texture nomenclature in a totally illogical way; they label it 4k because it’s meant to look good on a 4k screen, not because the texture itself is at that resolution (or any loosely related resolution).

Which is itself really annoying. But I guess less savvy crowd might not actually understand what ‘real’ 4k textures even refer to?

tal,
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They also aren’t measuring the same thing, even aside from the factors you mentioned.

A 4k screen is 4k on the long dimension.A 4k texture is a square that’s 4k in both dimensions.

Also, the 4k texture is typically lossily-compressed, so in practice, you’re getting less data than the resolution might suggest.

conciselyverbose,

I don't think making it the default is realistic.

But steam offers games to offer custom branches for users to select. It would not be particularly difficult for publishers to provide one (or more) lower resolution asset branch for users to select. I really wish Steam had taken advantage of publishers wanting to support Steam deck to nudge them into doing this.

min_fapper, do games w What's your favorite game through the ears of Original Soundtrack?

Halo!

The CE soundtrack was so distinctive and awesome!

Danthe, do games w What's your favorite game through the ears of Original Soundtrack?

Sword & Sworcery

SgtAStrawberry, do games w What's your favorite game through the ears of Original Soundtrack?

For songs with lyrics, it’s Contrast and Fallout 4. And for songs without lyrics it’s Oblivion and then Minecraft.

BastingChemina, do games w What's your favorite game through the ears of Original Soundtrack?

Journey !

The soundtrack of the game is amazing !

Stovetop,

When the game’s story is told without words, the soundtrack does a lot of legwork delivering such an emotional impact.

Few games have moved me to tears, but Journey is one of them.

lustyargonian, do games w What's your favorite game through the ears of Original Soundtrack?

As an Asian and a fan of Doom Eternal, I really enjoyed Shadow Warrior 3’s soundtrack.

BaldProphet, do gaming w Well, Cities: Skylines 2 is here, and it's another broken game release.
@BaldProphet@kbin.social avatar

That's disappointing. Some level of unmet expectations are to be, well, expected for a sequel to such a cultural behemoth as Cities: Skylines, but it sounds like Colossal Order made some sacrifices on the release date altar. Such a shame.

ReversalHatchery,

I don’t know nothing, but I have a feeling that paradox hurried the release, not necessarily CO

BaldProphet,
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Yeah, I think it's usually the publisher pushing the release dates on the dev studio.

Sincap, do games w What's your favorite game through the ears of Original Soundtrack?
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My personel favs are : GTA VC, Hades and TLOU. I listen those OSTs for years and they still hit hard.

Donnywholovedbowling, do games w What's your favorite game through the ears of Original Soundtrack?

I can’t believe nobody has said Furi! That game lives through its soundtrack. The game is a series of intense boss fights, but during production they sent concept art and fight details to the artists so the music better matched the scenario, and it all came together beautifully.

Also hotline Miami

BongsForJesus, do games w What's your favorite game through the ears of Original Soundtrack?

Mine is One Must Fall 2097.

Donnywholovedbowling,

There are some excellent remixes on YouTube if you haven’t heard them!

tal, do gaming w What is something (feature, modes, settings...) you would like to see become a standard in video games?
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

Keep a rotating history of 20 or so autosaves/checkpoints, not 1, in case the last autosave was at a bad spot. Storage space is cheap. Yeah, I can do that myself with manual saves, but why make me do that? Maintaining that isn’t a fun part of the game for me, and it’s easy for the developer to do.

ono,

Baldur’s Gate 3 does this, and the number of saves is configurable. It’s nice.

TimTheEnchanter,

This saved my butt the other day! I got some message that my current save was corrupted or detected tampering? and to stop playing on it. I was able to go back a couple of auto saves, find a good one, and not have to do a bunch of content over again!

gamermanh,

It’s not a technical limitation but a balance one usually

20 Auto save slots can mean going really far back on decisions the dev might want to be more permanent for you

Having at least an extra 1 for avoiding soft locks though is a really good idea, and it’s annoying when it happend

TwilightVulpine,

At the point the game allows multiple manual saves, rewinding decisions is trivial. There is not much of a point in restricting autosaves too.

The only way a game can enforce permanent decisions is if it only has auto-saves, in which case it could have a couple hidden backup saves just to prevent any issue from ruining people's progress. Even then that's not enough if players are willing to tinker, but at least it's not trivial.

Online saves are an option too but I wouldn't be too fond of a game that is needlessly restricted to online-only just to make decisions permanent.

tal,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

Also, at least on the PC, it’s possible to just back up saves.

I mean, I feel like there’s legitimately value to having an “ironman mode”, but I’d really like to have the option not to use it, for a number of reasons.

One of which is that sometimes games have bugs – I just hit a bug in Starfield that was easily worked around by rolling back to an earlier save and taking a slightly different action. However, Starfield had autosaved between the action that triggered the bug and it becoming visible to the player, which would have been a problem if (a) I hadn’t manually saved prior to that and (b) Starfield didn’t do the multiple-autosave-slot thing.

The player can always impose not using saves on themselves, but they can’t debug games.

TwilightVulpine,

Definitely, technical problems are another reason not to be overly strict.

Ironman mode absolutely has value, but this gets into a greater discussion that I feel more gamers should keep in mind. The value of these restrictions and challenges are your entertainment as well as fairness towards the people you are actively playing with. Game rules are all arbitrary by definition. It doesn't really matter if someone playing by themselves completes an Ironman mode fairly or cheats at it.

It's because gamers were convinced to take game rules more seriously than they deserve that today some believe that fictional items in a remote server they don't control can be worth hundreds of dollars. That hundreds of hours of RPG grind are somehow a necessary requirement to play a match of a game with someone else, and also that paying to rush this entirely artificial aspect of the game is worthwhile.

If the developers of a game prefer that it's played in Ironman that's fair, but there is no need to come up with exceedingly complex and restrictive solutions to police how people play. If they don't want to play differently, that's fine too.

drangus, do gaming w What is something (feature, modes, settings...) you would like to see become a standard in video games?

The ability to turn off various typical live service features. Hiding the store and annoying announcements would be awesome.

Plume,

The fact that you can’t is a feature… just not for you.

tal,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

I mean, if a game publisher wants to try to offset the game price via adding advertisements or to try to market the game via your social network or whatever, fine. I’m not going to try to tell game publishers how to do their business.

However, as a game consumer, I’d like to be informed before I buy a game whether game publishers are doing this in a game before I purchase it, so that I have the opportunity to opt out of buying it. Personally, I’d rather that they at least offer a “premium” version without stuff like this; the mobile video game industry often does an “adware and a premium no-ads” model.

Steam defaults to notifying people on your friends list what games you are playing, though they let you turn it off. I doubt that any user wants that on, all else held equal, other than the specific case of multiplayer games where users play multiplayer games with their friends. It might help a game publisher market their game to other users, but I’d rather just pay whatever extra it takes to make up the difference. I’m not going to say that it’s worth it to every user to pay a little more to maintain game immersion, but it is to me.

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