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mnemonicmonkeys, do games w Valve's new hardware will NOT be loss leaders

It sounds like a Steam Deck is a perfect fit for you then. May your frames be high and your lag minimal

mnemonicmonkeys, do games w Valve's new hardware will NOT be loss leaders

Before you go in on a Steam Deck I want to give a head’s up:

While I like my Steam Deck, it does have limits. If you primarily want to play 2D indie games, it’s absolutely perfect. You get great framerate, and the battery lasts 3-4 hours or sometimes even more.

But if you want to play 3D games from the last 10-15 years, you’re going to need to compromise. Much of the time you won’t be able to get 60fps, and the battery life drops off quick. And if you want to dock it and run it on your TV you’re still going to have some performance tradeoffs due to the Steam Deck being built for 800p gaming

If you still have a powerful tower PC but want to play newer 3D games from your living room on a TV, you could run an application called Sunshine on it, allowing you to stream to a Steam Deck via Moonlight at high bitrate (4k 60fps with relatively low latency) and the Steam Deck is good for that because it has more power to encode/decode the stream than most alternatives.

Or you could wait for the Steam Machine to release. It won’t be as powerful as a PS5, but I’m expecting it to be a good value compared to most PC’s

mnemonicmonkeys, do games w Valve's new hardware will NOT be loss leaders

On the one hand, i get it. It will be for enthusiasts only if that’s the case.

Note that I haven’t said anything about what the price will be, just that Valve has stated that it won’t be a loss leader.

I’ve seen rumors that the Bill Of Materials plus Valve’s usual overhead would still result in a system valued at $500, though I haven’t seen the source and am very skeptical of it.

On the other side, XBox is allegedly targeting $1200 on their standardized custom gaming PC, which I doubt would be worth the price, especially with it running Windows.

mnemonicmonkeys, do games w Valve's new hardware will NOT be loss leaders

Deck isn’t selling millions and it’s doing just fine.

I don’t have have an issue with the rest of your comment but this quote is factually wrong. The Deck actually has sold multiple millions of units.

mnemonicmonkeys, do games w Valve's new hardware will NOT be loss leaders

Built-in GPU and VRAM with the CPU, RAM and cooling optional.

I don’t think that’d be a wise idea. After watching Valve interviews, it’s clear that they designed the entire system around a specific max TDP. Apparently they figured out the TDP, picked a fan to move it, then designed the rest of the cooling system based on that.

If you start swapping out different CPU’s that’ll change the TDP and very quickly become a problem. Plus, the CPU is soldered to the board. Having a socket to allow for swapping would require a redesign of the cooling to account for the increased height

mnemonicmonkeys, do games w Valve's new hardware will NOT be loss leaders

And honestly, we probably should have expected this from the leaked benchmarks. It was already showing hits of using a separate 7600

mnemonicmonkeys, do games w Valve's new hardware will NOT be loss leaders

To be a loss leader doesn’t the need to lead to something?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_leader

You have no idea what you’re talking about.

mnemonicmonkeys, do games w Valve's new hardware will NOT be loss leaders

I agree we don’t know if they’re loss leaders yet.

Please actually read the body of the post. Valve has already said in an interview that they won’t be loss leaders

mnemonicmonkeys, do games w Valve's new hardware will NOT be loss leaders

Regardless of the price (and whether or not I even buy one), I think it’s healthy to have another “big” player in the console market.

Tbh, I think it’d be healthier if the console market finally died and Playstation and Nintendo migrate to PC. Closed off ecosystems are anti-consumer

mnemonicmonkeys, (edited ) do games w Valve announces three new products: the Steam Frame, Steam Machine and Steam Controller

This is the second desktop PC they’ve released, no?

No. They have never designed a desktop before. The original Steam Machine was mainly a branding program for system integrators coupled with the release of the original Steam OS.

rather than reviving a brand that already failed once

Or do what they’re already doing and just call it something else.

But there’s one major thing you’re missing/ignoring: a big reason why the Steam Deck was a hit is because it has good price/performance. EGPU’s are the antithesis of that. They don’t scale well, and they add extra hardware and complexity, driving up price and limiting performance.

mnemonicmonkeys, do games w Valve announces three new products: the Steam Frame, Steam Machine and Steam Controller

No long campaigns in VR.

I recently watched a video where some dude had the VR treadmill and used it for Skyrim VR 2hrs per day for months

mnemonicmonkeys, do games w Valve announces three new products: the Steam Frame, Steam Machine and Steam Controller

Though I wonder if making a docked Deck be on equal footing with the Machine would have been a better use of R&D.

No, it would not. Buulding a Steam Deck that’s 6x more powerful (the claimed comparison for the Steam Machine) is NOT possible with today’s technology. For anyone.

The Steam Deck has to be hand portable and get somewhat decent battery life. That leaves little little space for a cooling solution. You cannot beat thermodynamics.

mnemonicmonkeys, do games w Valve announces three new products: the Steam Frame, Steam Machine and Steam Controller

You can see that each face is about the size an adult male’s hand, so it’s about 6" per edge

mnemonicmonkeys, do games w Microsoft's ambitious new Xbox: Your entire Xbox console library, the full power of Windows PC gaming, and no multiplayer paywall

I.e. Gamepass

mnemonicmonkeys, do games w Microsoft's ambitious new Xbox: Your entire Xbox console library, the full power of Windows PC gaming, and no multiplayer paywall

Hosting servers isn’t free.

And it’s game devs that pay for the multiplayer server upkeep, not the storefronts.

And I highly doubt that any money spent on XBox Live or PSN subscriptions was ever sent their way.

This is just a flimsy defense for greed

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