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Some bonus questions that might help narrow it down:

• Was it an indie title? I would assume so considering the first point but might as well ask just in case.
• Is the game itself old?
• How does it look? 2D/3D?
• What about gameplay? Was it real time, turned based, mixed?
• Is there anything else you remember?

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Here are the few I’m familiar with:

• Anodyne - tried it few years ago and it seemed pretty decent, need to go back to it eventually.
• Coffee Talk - still in my backlog but looks like a coffee version of VA-11 Hall-A. Nice art style, saw positive opinions about it.
• They Bleed Pixels - fun but challenging platformer with lots of bloody combat.
• Wandersong - got pretty famous for a while. Haven’t played it myself but what I saw seemed like a great little title.

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From FAQ on the Stop Killing Games page.

Q: How are publishers ‘destroying’ videogames?

A: An increasing number of videogames are designed to rely on a server the publisher controls in order for the game to function. This acts as a lifeline to the game. When the publisher decides to turn this off, it is essentially cutting off life support to the game, making it completely inoperable to all customers. Companies that do this often intentionally prevent people from ‘repairing’ the game also by withholding vital components. When this happens, the game is ‘destroyed’, as no one can ever operate it again.

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No problem!

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That’s exactly why I posted this! There are so many open source and decompilation projects it’s impossible to know about all of them.

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Here’s the campaign website with links and instructions for each region.

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Happens to the best of us.

Essence_of_Meh, rok temu

If by “still paying” you mean trying to change something about the industry using closure of a decade old game then sure, you could say that.

If you don’t care about this campaign, he still does videos about older titles - they release every 2-3 months, with the latest one being this video about “State of Mind”.

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Here’s the video.

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I actually thought the same while watching this trailer. I hope some of it is just an issue with how it was cut rather than the game itself but as always, better wait and see how it turns out.

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For those wondering about why such basic features are mentioned here it’s because work on Squadron 42 (single player part of the project) moved to the polishing stage and everything created for it is being ported back to Star Citizen (multi player part).

Is it worth an article? It is if you’re interested in the game, I guess?

Is SC a perfect project? Of course not, far from it. I do find it interesting however how… angry it makes people and how much they want it to fail. Yeah, I know $1000+ packages and so forth (not needed if you just want to play the game btw).

For those interested in actually checking for themselves whether it’s a scam or not, there are free flight events multiple times a year - you get to see the current state of the game with everything good and bad it entails. Surprisingly enough, they tend to bring in more players every single time.

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I absolutely agree with this point. I think CIG’s inability to openly communicate when things go bad is a big reason for the scam allegation (that and loooooots of issues with planning, especially early on). I see it’s as a serious problem for a project that presents itself as “open development” (which it is, don’t take me wrong, but not as much as it should be).

I think both CIG and players underestimated how long it takes to build a company, tech and two big budget games at the same time. It’s 100% on the devs to realize and communicate that, which they failed to do.

For better or worse, S42 is officially in its final stretch. Is it really? Transfer of people towards SC seems to confirm that but we’ll see when the game finally releases. When that happens we’ll also see whether game taking this long was worth it.

Essence_of_Meh, rok temu (edited rok temu)

Just to clarify, which roadmap are we talking about?

• The changes to the release view from last year or so?
• One from CitizenCon after addition of full planet exploration?
• One from the early days where SC was suppose to be a prettier Freelancer with planets separated by a loading screen and consisting of a small hub for activities?

I’d like to make sure which one we’re talking about.

Edit: I’d also like to add, how far are we going with people being scammed?

I can understand this view for early backers (I’m one of them) but what about people who decided to drop money on the game in the last 2 or even 5 years? Were they also scammed despite hundreds of articles about delays, issues and thousands of people yelling about a scam every time SC is mentioned?

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Eh, let’s not act like CIG is completely blameless in all of this. They made a lot of mistakes along the way and SC is still far from what they promised it to be.

They’re getting there, but it’s a slow process.

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Some people think trying to “defend” the project means I completely agree with how and what is being done so I’m just trying to cover my bases.

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Except scope hasn’t really changed in years? I might be wrong since I’m not trawling through every single piece of content released but I’m pretty sure most of the expansions are related to CIG figuring out details of already promised features.

I’m sure someone following the game closer can provide more details on that.

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On the contrary, the last few years were pretty much fully focused on Squadron, with SC being maintained by (almost a) skeleton crew - hence the slow updates.

Now updates are seemingly picking up, though it’s early to say for sure since we only got one quarterly patch so far, with next one probably targeting April-May (depending how porting some of new additions goes).

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Which is why I appreciate them doing free flight events. They don’t present the game in the best light a lot of the time but it’s a great way to test if the game is for you in it’s current form (or even in general). They are also a good way to prevent new players from feeling scammed so there’s that.

I feel like a lot of us backed and stayed with this project despite all of the issues exactly because they’re trying to do something no one else is willing to risk. It’s a rough road, full of mistakes and delays but they’re sticking with it, which is more than many people expected.

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Of course, but I think it’s a bit harder to defend this accusation with all of this info available and the ability to try the game for yourself for free. The latter is what I’d suggest to anyone interested in the game, even if they aren’t worried about wasting money anyway.

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If you hated Nier Automata then perhaps Drakengard 3 would be more up your alley?

It’s still emotional by the end but that game has more humor and is more whimsical/strange - especially during route A. The initial humor can be a hit or miss but I think it’s used nicely to contrast with later parts of the story.

Unfortunately it’s a PS3 exclusive and considering how the game runs on that system the best way to play it is emulation.

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Episode Aigis (or The Answer in the west) was an expansion/epilogue to the base game. (In)Famous for its focus on combat and sparse story content.

The original release was pretty long (about 30 hours, I think) so I guess they thought it would be too much work to add it to base remake? Or they just wanted money, I dunno. It’s Atlus. They have a… special approach to game development.

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This hurts twice as much since I’m just going through the FemC route for the first time. She’s great! (ಡ‸ಡ)

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I played her as my new game+ when I first played P3P

That’s exactly what I’m doing as well. Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t Ken romance optional? Granted, it might be easy to fall into but still.

Still need to go through P1 & 2, for now they’re just taunting me whenever I look through my game library…

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It could also be Ken or the original MC considering his hermit social link. Man does Persona love their age-difference tag.

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I mean… I love Ms. Toriyumi Maya so there’s no need to defend him. Besides, everyone is a dog on the internet after all.

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This sounds interesting. I didn’t have time to try out the demo myself so thanks for the impressions, sounds like something right up my alley.

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I have a side question if you don’t mind.

In multiple posts you mentioned how you expected people on fediverse to be “more principled” and how they can only support the smaller option or just give up and accept everything corps throw at them which is why you’re surprised some play gacha games.

Does that expectation also extend to “normal” F2P games like Apex, Fortnite etc? Does it include people playing full-price AAA games? Titles like GTA, Diablo, Halo, majority of MMOs and more - games that not only are paid but also include season passes and micro transactions.

Should people also avoid those?

Just so we’re clear, it’s a genuine question. I have no skin in the game as I don’t really play HSR, AAA games or really care what people expect from me but I’m curious about your perspective on things.

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Which is totally fair - I feel like most (conjecture?) people who dislike such things will simply avoid these games and play other stuff.

OP focused on gacha games but didn’t mention paid ones despite the fact many of them implement similar monetization schemes which is why I’m curious about their point of view on this.

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Alright, that cleared up some things, thanks. I assume FIFA’s (well, EA’s FC) Ultimate Team also falls under that umbrella since it’s straight up rolling for power?

Since you’re fine with cosmetics what about mobile/gacha games that are primarily that?

For example, I play a game called Girls Frontline - I didn’t pay anything yet have all bar 3 characters (the missing ones can be farmed on stages I haven’t played yet) with most of them leveled up and equipped for pretty much any available content. There’s no stamina that needs to be refilled and events have 3 difficulty levels to allow even new(ish) players to complete the story. The main monetary incentive here comes from skins (which can also be obtained using saved up resources). Would a game like this be alright according to your perspective?

While majority of gacha can absolutely be predatory there are more titles like that within the “genre” which is why I’m interested in your focus on mobile titles. Sorry if it sounds like I’m trying to look for a “gotcha” or something like that - that’s not my intention.

Essence_of_Meh, rok temu

I’m glad I could give you a chance to expand on your view in a more neutral manner. I like discussing things and learning other people’s points of view so I try to approach online discussion in a positive and open-minded way. It’s not always easy but I try.

I think the main reason people jumped on you so easily was the tone of your OP and some of the more heated comments - they come off like you aren’t really interested in an explanation but rather looking for affirmation in shit talking other people’s interest in those games. Feeling strongly about a topic can be a detriment at times and it’s an easy way to derail a decent topic for a conversation.

That said, seems like we’re pretty much on the same page even if I don’t feel as strongly towards the disliked parts of the industry as you do. I simply stick to titles that don’t punish me for not spending ever increasing amounts of money.

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Just finished Drakengard 3 and feeling empty - both because the final boss fight took me 4 days to beat and because, despite many issues I have with the game, ending still managed to hit pretty hard. I love this shitty game.