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Essence_of_Meh, (edited ) do games w Silent Hill 2 - Release Date Trailer
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Release date: 2024.10.08

Essence_of_Meh, do games w UK petition of "Require videogame publishers to keep games they have sold in a working state" just got thrown back to the Government
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That’s positively surprising, I expected them to leave it at that until petition reaches the second milestone (if that even happens). Let’s see if anything new comes out of this.

Essence_of_Meh, do games w Skywind 2024: The Road So Far
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That’s cool, didn’t know that!

Essence_of_Meh, do games w UK Government Response to the Stop Killing Games Petition
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Because that’s what it is. I think some of it might have to do with the limited content of the petition itself (a pretty short description about “customers being robbed” without any broader ideas suggested by the campaign) and some with the fact they get plenty of petitions so the first reaction is to stick with what’s already there. That’s my guess at least.

I hope that if this petition reached 100k signatures and went to a parliamentary hearing there could be a chance for a more nuanced presentation of the topic but who knows, maybe I’m just being naive.

Essence_of_Meh, do games w The "Stop Killing Games" Australian Petition is Live
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It’s the question of both though - sure, game preservation aspect is important but it would also be nice for the law to catch up to technology and decide whether companies should have the right to remove your ability to use the product you bought.

If the law would go through in the way envisioned by the campaign, games should be designed and developed in a way that releasing a patch/server software should be possible even for a company at the verge of closing. We’re not talking about creating these releases at the last moment but baking their creation into the development process from the start.

At the end of the day all the possible solutions proposed by the campaign are just ideas to give lawmakers some kind of starting point. If this goes anywhere it’ll be debated and decided upon by people with far more law and customer protection knowledge than anyone involved in the campaign itself. The important part right now is to bring the issue to someone willing to look into it.

Essence_of_Meh, do games w The "Stop Killing Games" Australian Petition is Live
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That’s why the campaign is aimed at multiple jurisdictions - there’s a chance at least one of them works out.

Essence_of_Meh, do games w The "Stop Killing Games" Australian Petition is Live
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Fair enough. My experience is mostly tied to companies where even shutting down would be run through a process of sunsetting all projects and tying up as many loose ends as possible before that so my perspective might be a bit skewed.

I can see this being an issue for a small or indie developer but something like Embracer Group shouldn’t have any leeway in that regard - they could absolutely afford keeping a studio (at least a skeleton crew) long enough to release a single server package/patch.

Essence_of_Meh, do games w The "Stop Killing Games" Australian Petition is Live
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Maybe, maybe not. Australia has a decent track record ruling for the customers so there is a chance (that’s also the reason why France is one of the main targets of this campaign).

At the very least the odds are better than in the US.

Essence_of_Meh, do games w The "Stop Killing Games" Australian Petition is Live
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Just so we’re clear, this is not my petition. It’s related to the Stop Killing Games campaign mentioned in the post description, though it was slightly modified by the author (one of the volunteers helping with the campaign).

I’m not sure I follow your example.

First things first - companies don’t poof out of existence suddenly. Secondly, the whole reason behind the end-of-life proposal is for devs/publishers to have a ready and easy to execute plan in case of ending the official support (whether it’s closing the developer run servers or closure of the company). The whole idea is that something like that would be planned and prepared for during the development.

Essence_of_Meh, do games w The "Stop Killing Games" Australian Petition is Live
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It’s still being processed apparently. I’ll be sure to post it when that changes.

Essence_of_Meh, (edited ) do games w The "Stop Killing Games" Australian Petition is Live
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You’re right, people shouldn’t try anything and just buy the fresh new release instead.

It may or may not work out but the only way for things to change is by bringing the issue to the lawmakers - they can’t fix something they aren’t aware of.

Essence_of_Meh, do games w The "Stop Killing Games" Australian Petition is Live
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This specific petition was broadened to involve all software rather than just games which is why it mentions pinging home instead of focusing on multiplayer servers.

The general idea of the campaign as a whole is to force publishers to create software with a specific end-of-life plan that would include one of the few possible options:

  • relase the server software to allow players host them themselves
  • patch the game to not require company’s server (even if not all features would be functional)
  • allow people to create their own servers after official ones are dead (think private MMO servers)

Any of those options would come into effect only when the official support for the game were to end.

How exactly would that increase the risk of creating multiplayer games? Private server hosting was a thing for years and the only reason we’re here now is because publishers decided they should be the only ones allowed to do it.

Essence_of_Meh, do games w The "Stop Killing Games" Australian Petition is Live
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On the other hand they do have a history of protecting customers (weren’t they the main reason behind Steams refund policy?) and that’s what this is about.

Essence_of_Meh, do games w The "Stop Killing Games" Australian Petition is Live
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For clarity I’d also like to add this post by Ross who mentioned petition being “hijacked” to increase the scope to all software instead of just games. He still asks to sign it if you’re Australian.

Additionally, few Aussie users replied that this broadening might actually be a good thing due to the Australia law. Can’t say anything about that myself but seems reasonable.

Essence_of_Meh, do games w (Help) Name of (sandbox?) game set on space? (Found: Starsector)
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Some bonus questions that might help narrow it down:

  • Was it an indie title? I would assume so considering the first point but might as well ask just in case.
  • Is the game itself old?
  • How does it look? 2D/3D?
  • What about gameplay? Was it real time, turned based, mixed?
  • Is there anything else you remember?
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