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Essence_of_Meh, do games w The "Stop Killing Games" EU Petition is Live
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Unfortunately not, initiatives can only be signed by EU citizens. For this specific campaign you can help by spreading the word, besides that you can also check the “Take Action” tab on the site I linked previously - there are multiple campaigns started in various countries so you might be able to help with one of those.

Essence_of_Meh, (edited ) do games w The "Stop Killing Games" EU Petition is Live
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Short version: it’s a campaign to force publishers to provide some way to play online only games after they decide to shut down the servers. That or letting us know, by law, that games can be killed without repercussion. It’s not about forcing publishers to keep the servers alive forever if that’s what you’re wondering.

Long version: check out the official website for the Stop Killing Games campaign. It has FAQ with all the important info.

Essence_of_Meh, do games w Dead Game News: Response from the European Commission
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This has be kindasortagenerally known already, it just doesn’t really matter if nothing is done about it.

Essence_of_Meh, do games w Dead Game News: Response from the European Commission
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TL;DW:

  • Patrick Breyer and Niklas Nienaß submitted questions to the European Commission on the topic of killing games (the latter in contact with Ross and two EU based lawyers).
  • EU won’t commit to answering whether games are goods or services.
  • EULA are probably unfair due to imbalance of rights and obligations between the parties.
  • Such terminations should be analyzed on a case-by-case basis (preferably by countries rather than EU).
  • Existing laws don’t seem to cover this issue.
  • Campaign in France seems to be gaining some traction. Case went to “the highest level where most commercial disputes submitted to DGCCRF never go”.
  • UK petition was suppose to get a revised response after the initial one was found lacking. Due to upcoming elections all petitions were closed and it might have to be resubmitted.
  • Also in UK, there’s a plan to report games killed in the last few years to the Competition and Markets Authority starting in August (CMA will get some additional power by then apparently).
  • No real news from Germany, Canada or Brazil.
  • Australian petition is over and waiting for a reply. Ross also hired a law firm to represent the issue.

This is a simplified version of simplified version, watch the video for more info.

Essence_of_Meh, do games w The Division 2: Year 6 Season 1 - First Rogue Official Launch Trailer
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Yeah, I just watched the Ubisoft Forward stream with some additional details on the new update. Can’t say I’m a fan but whatever - guess they still can’t let go of their obsession with him.

Essence_of_Meh, do games w The Division 2: Year 6 Season 1 - First Rogue Official Launch Trailer
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I might be missing something since I’m not completely dialed in with TD lore but didn’t we kill Keener? Are they bringing him back or will this just be more of his usual gloating through audio logs? I’m not sure how I feel about either of those options.

Guess I’ll wait for a full detail breakdown before thinking about coming back.

Essence_of_Meh, (edited ) do games w Silent Hill 2 - Release Date Trailer
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Release date: 2024.10.08

Essence_of_Meh, do games w UK petition of "Require videogame publishers to keep games they have sold in a working state" just got thrown back to the Government
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That’s positively surprising, I expected them to leave it at that until petition reaches the second milestone (if that even happens). Let’s see if anything new comes out of this.

Essence_of_Meh, do games w Skywind 2024: The Road So Far
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That’s cool, didn’t know that!

Essence_of_Meh, do games w UK Government Response to the Stop Killing Games Petition
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Because that’s what it is. I think some of it might have to do with the limited content of the petition itself (a pretty short description about “customers being robbed” without any broader ideas suggested by the campaign) and some with the fact they get plenty of petitions so the first reaction is to stick with what’s already there. That’s my guess at least.

I hope that if this petition reached 100k signatures and went to a parliamentary hearing there could be a chance for a more nuanced presentation of the topic but who knows, maybe I’m just being naive.

Essence_of_Meh, do games w The "Stop Killing Games" Australian Petition is Live
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It’s the question of both though - sure, game preservation aspect is important but it would also be nice for the law to catch up to technology and decide whether companies should have the right to remove your ability to use the product you bought.

If the law would go through in the way envisioned by the campaign, games should be designed and developed in a way that releasing a patch/server software should be possible even for a company at the verge of closing. We’re not talking about creating these releases at the last moment but baking their creation into the development process from the start.

At the end of the day all the possible solutions proposed by the campaign are just ideas to give lawmakers some kind of starting point. If this goes anywhere it’ll be debated and decided upon by people with far more law and customer protection knowledge than anyone involved in the campaign itself. The important part right now is to bring the issue to someone willing to look into it.

Essence_of_Meh, do games w The "Stop Killing Games" Australian Petition is Live
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That’s why the campaign is aimed at multiple jurisdictions - there’s a chance at least one of them works out.

Essence_of_Meh, do games w The "Stop Killing Games" Australian Petition is Live
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Fair enough. My experience is mostly tied to companies where even shutting down would be run through a process of sunsetting all projects and tying up as many loose ends as possible before that so my perspective might be a bit skewed.

I can see this being an issue for a small or indie developer but something like Embracer Group shouldn’t have any leeway in that regard - they could absolutely afford keeping a studio (at least a skeleton crew) long enough to release a single server package/patch.

Essence_of_Meh, do games w The "Stop Killing Games" Australian Petition is Live
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Maybe, maybe not. Australia has a decent track record ruling for the customers so there is a chance (that’s also the reason why France is one of the main targets of this campaign).

At the very least the odds are better than in the US.

Essence_of_Meh, do games w The "Stop Killing Games" Australian Petition is Live
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Just so we’re clear, this is not my petition. It’s related to the Stop Killing Games campaign mentioned in the post description, though it was slightly modified by the author (one of the volunteers helping with the campaign).

I’m not sure I follow your example.

First things first - companies don’t poof out of existence suddenly. Secondly, the whole reason behind the end-of-life proposal is for devs/publishers to have a ready and easy to execute plan in case of ending the official support (whether it’s closing the developer run servers or closure of the company). The whole idea is that something like that would be planned and prepared for during the development.

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