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QuarterlySushi, w System Shock Remake - What Happened?
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I always like the episodes where he covers things that eventually turned out well, but took some weird turns to get there. I’m super glad the remake eventually did come out, and nailed it.

ProfessorFlaw, w Assassin's Creed Mirage will take 25-30 hours to complete – and that's if you're a completionist

Yk what? Good, the most memerable games where abt 10-20 hours, celeste, ghostrunner, ac blackflag, these 300 hour games are boring

GunnarRunnar,

I don't personally mind 300 hour games but the way AC and most other games present them is exhausting. I don't want my map full of shit to do. I want to get the core experience, which should be the main story and after that sprinkle of stuff to do here and there which is all optional and there if enjoyed the world enough to keep going.

Why Ubi and others haven't figured this out, I have no idea. It's the best of both worlds.

Saymesies,

Yeah, would much prefer depth of content to breadth. I love exploring and finding things as much as the next completioninst, but if it is just filler, the world feels hollow. Last handful of AC games have been massive maps with very little uniqueness outside the main story. Also hate auto generated fetch quests and mobile game stores they shove in.

tox_solid,
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I remember beating The Bouncer in about an hour and 10 minutes when I was a kid. Not much game to play but I had a lot of fun doing it.

stopthatgirl7,
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Case in point, just compare Mass Effect 1 (about 30 hours) to Mass Effect Andromeda (well over 100 hours).

ZombieBait,

Ghostwire Tokyo felt like a pretty good length for an open world game. There were a bunch of relatively short side quests, and the usual collectibles but the whole thing was 100% complete in under 30 hours. Thier rougelike DLC add-on might push it over that, but it's basically a whole separate game.

Damage,

I had to force myself to finish Andromeda

CIWS-30,

Same, and I didn't even finish Inquisition. Bioware didn't need open world filler injected in its narrative based games and worlds, and those forced elements are what killed them off for a while. Then there was the disaster that was Anthem, which also had big, shallow open world and a craptacular mission design that forced you to a full stop to grind dumb boring shit (at which point I quit) before continuing the not terrible, but barely adequate campaign that I would've probably managed to finish if not for that grind gate.

stopthatgirl7,
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When BioWare announced they had made each planet on Andromeda bigger than the largest area in Inquisition, my stomach sank, because Inquisition had already been pushing it with the bloat.

I watched a review by this YouTuber who hated Andromeda but decided to give it another shot on a whim, only this time to just do the main and loyalty missions, and he said it was like night and day and the game actually was good and the story felt better and like there were actual stakes. All that more for the sake of more hurt the game more than a lot of folks realize.

CynAq, w Assassin's Creed Mirage will take 25-30 hours to complete – and that's if you're a completionist
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During what I still consider the golden age of gaming, which is 1997-2004, most single player games were aiming for 30-35 hours. That has been my sweet spot ever since but it doesn't mean a game can't be satisfying with less than that.

I personally don't find anything shorter than 10 hours enough of an experience. 25-30 sounds very reasonable.

Dark_Blade, w Assassin's Creed Mirage will take 25-30 hours to complete – and that's if you're a completionist
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I guess that’s fair, very few games can pull off 100+ hours while still remaining compelling experiences.

germanatlas, w Assassin's Creed Mirage will take 25-30 hours to complete – and that's if you're a completionist
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For the small price of 69.99€?

SuiXi3D, w Assassin's Creed Mirage will take 25-30 hours to complete – and that's if you're a completionist
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As someone that trudged through Odyssey and has been really enjoying Valhalla despite its immense size, I welcome this change. Good Lord these games are huge.

CoderKat,

I enjoy the scale of large games, but Odyssey and Valhalla was too much even for me. I’d like maybe half that (which would still be at least 50 hours I suspect).

Madison_rogue, w Assassin's Creed Mirage will take 25-30 hours to complete – and that's if you're a completionist
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There's a lot of "it depends" in regards to a game that is fully completed at 25-30 hours. If Ubisoft is going to charge $70 USD for the game, along with an additional Deluxe Edition that costs an extra $30, I'm probably not going to buy it on release unless the story is phenomenal, and it's replayable.

I'd be the first to agree that the more recent releases (especially Valhalla) have been too expansive. The only thing that kept my interest with Odyssey and Origins were the settings (I love ancient Greece and Egypt). I think a 50-60 hour game is adequate for a AAA game like Assassin's Creed.

iforgotmyinstance, w Assassin's Creed Mirage will take 25-30 hours to complete – and that's if you're a completionist

Does anyone still follow this franchise? It’s pumped so many half-assed sequels into the market that the brand has to be suffering.

harmonea,
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The brand suffers because people care about it. If no one cared, the brand would just wither and die, forgotten, like so many others have. This seems obvious enough that I really have to wonder, did you ask this question because you're actually surprised, or because you want to portray some weird image of being above all this?

Homeschooled316, w Assassin's Creed Mirage will take 25-30 hours to complete – and that's if you're a completionist

I think too many people have tricked themselves/each other into thinking long games are bad because they are long. No, it’s because 95% of the time (moreso today than in the past), a high hour-to-complete time signals a game with 10 hours or content stretched out to an absurd extreme, often in support of MTX/live service type features available ay launch.

An 80 hour game can be good if it has 80 hours of actual content. A 25 hour game can be bad if it’s still just 3-4 hours of real game stretched out to 25-30.

rustyricotta,

Very true.

Some of my recent games below. Good long games:

  • Elden Ring (~120 hours first playthrough)
  • Divinity 2 (some parts do slog)

Bad long games:

  • CrossCode (I know this game is well loved, so a bit of a hot take). I did complete it, but I would have been far happier if it were half as long.
CIWS-30, w Assassin's Creed Mirage will take 25-30 hours to complete – and that's if you're a completionist

Finally! I haven't played an Assassin's Creed game for Years because they were too long, repetitive, and filled with boring timesinks. And I used to be a huge AC fanboy back in the day. Starting from 1, I played each release every year until Revelations + 3 burned me out. Took me years to recover enough to play AC 4 and Rogue. Never even touched Unity, barely tried Syndicate (and only because I got it for free), and all the new ultra-long ones starting with Origins I didn't even bother starting, except for Valhalla during a free play weekend on Steam. Valhalla annoyed me enough over that weekend that I just didn't bother buying.

I've been waiting for a "back to basics" game like Mirage for a while now, and the fact that it has callbacks to the gameplay and setting of AC 1 is a big plus for me. I'll wait for reviews, but it's the most interested I've been in an AC game for a long time.

nlm, w Assassin's Creed Mirage will take 25-30 hours to complete – and that's if you're a completionist
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Sounds promising!

I loved the setting of Origins but got burnt out doing all the tedious bits they sprinkled all over the maps that didn’t contribute to the story in ant way and was mostly the same over and over again.

And yes, I know I could skip stuff but I wanted to experience the full hame too… so… yeah.

It definitely could’ve been trimmed down a bit.

Wisely, w Assassin's Creed Mirage will take 25-30 hours to complete – and that's if you're a completionist

I seem to have a differing opinion here but I love long games if it is actually full of good content.

I don't play games with micro transactions and find a lot of open world games to be full of time wasters. If that's all it is then sure cut that out.

But with games costing $70 I would feel like I wasted my money for only a 10+ hour experience like some comments are wanting. That can be done in a single day. Assassin Creed games really aren't meant to be replayed either.

Games with lots of replayabilty are such good value and keep me entertained for hundreds or even thousands of hours. Games like Civilization, Persona 5, Zelda, Elder Scrolls, GTA, Metal Gear, old school Final Fantasy, Roller Coaster Tycoon, Xcom, Command and Conquer, Colonization, etc.

Maybe it's more a sign of modern games being full of stuff that isn't fun? Boring extremely limited NPC's, lots of wandering with nothing to do but collect some useless thing. In that case I agree with all the other comments but instead of wishing for a shorter game I would wish for a better game that is fun to play for long periods of time.

Zahille7,

I paid full price for Jedi Survivor, and minus a couple (somewhat big) bugs, I feel like I got my money’s worth after I finished the story. I think it took me around 60-ish hours to get to 99%

3rd,

I'm currently on my second playthrough of the original Fallen Order and while I got the game for free I'd say it's worth full 60$. It's a great intriduction to the souls-like games for someone new to the genre

Wit, w Is Atelier Ryza 1+2 bundle worth it?

Ryza is great!! I only played the first one though so take all of this with a grain of salt.

The combat is not at all like Genshin or BOTW. It's "real time" but actually turn based. Characters will have basic attacks/skills/items, think Pokemon style combat, but each time they use one it starts a real-time cooldown before they can attack again.

The combat is actually quite simple IMO and not too engaging. But that's good, because what it's meant to be is a stat check for the items you make.

Speaking of which, the main gemaplay loop isn't like your average RPG. You go out and gather resources, then you make items with them, then you go defeat enemies with those items to get their drops or unlock areas with better resources, rinse and repeat. But the most fun part of that loop, and the one you'll spend the most time on, is the crafting aspect.

You know how in the anime Ryza uses the cauldron? That'll be 70% of your time spent in the game. The anime doesn't showcase it but the synthesis system is really complex, and very fun when you get into it. Though I personally prefer Atelier Sophie's over Atelier Ryza's haha.

If you're worried about leveling mechanics, grind, etc. - there are levels but they're largely irrelevant.

Obsession, w Sony’s latest PS5 beta supports Dolby Atmos and up to 8TB of M.2 SSD storage

Hopefully this will fix the weird sound mixing on my Atmos setup - sounds from behind were much louder than sounds in front in some games (looking at you GoW 2), and I found no way to fix it

Madison_rogue,
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I'm definitely excited for the 8TB SSD support. My 2 TB SSD is 3/4 full.

Rodsterlings_cig, w Switch 2 would arrive in the second half of 2024 and development kits are already out

So should I buy a switch now or wait for the switch 2? A question as old as time.

bridge_too_close,
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I can't suggest which one to get since we don't know enough about Switch 2 and it's all entirely dependent on your personal situation, but I will post this:

  • There are plenty of good games to play on Switch right now
  • Switch 2, like all consoles, will take time to build a significant games offering
  • According to the article, we don't know yet if Switch 2 will be backwards compatible or not
TwilightVulpine,

@Rodsterlings_cig If the Switch 2 turns out to be backwards compatible, buying a Switch 1 now only to buy a Switch 2 later would be a waste. It's better to wait for the announcement before making that decision.

curse4444,

If you didn't buy a switch the first 6 years it was out (it came out in 2017) why the hell would you buy one now?

3rd,

Back in 2017 I wanted to get a Switch for Breath of the wild and Splatoon 2 but looking back I'm actualy quite happy I went with the xbox one S instead

herzberd,
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If you buy one they will announce a new one, if you don't they will not lol

Rodsterlings_cig,

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