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WHYAREWEALLCAPS, w Unity Claims PlayStation, Xbox & Nintendo Will Pay Its New Runtime Fee On Behalf Of Devs

Jesus. This is just a circus of incompetence. Doesn't matter who is footing the bill. If you push the bill on the distributor/install service it means those streams will be less likely to embrace indie devs and especially new indie devs without a hit under their belt. So same chilling result.

HarkMahlberg,
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Did they not learn from watching Sony delist Cyberpunk after CD Projekt Red told consumers that Sony would give them a refund?

Madison_rogue,
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The answer seems to be no. I'm anticipating Sony, MS, and Nintendo's response on this. Did they even know about it? I'm very curious to see how this pans out because at this viewpoint it seems like an entire shit show.

SeeJayEmm, w Unity is offering a Runtime Fee waiver if you switch to LevelPlay as it tries to "kill AppLovin" - Mobilegamer.biz
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Can someone ELI5 this for me? I’m up to speed on the runtime fee but the rest of the article was over my head.

TheOneCurly,
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Seems like unity owns an ad service provider and is now offering to waive this new fee if you use it instead of its more popular competitor.

The article implies that this is the entire reason behind the new fee, but seems like it’s just a guess.

Kolanaki, w Unity Claims PlayStation, Xbox & Nintendo Will Pay Its New Runtime Fee On Behalf Of Devs
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Does Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony know?

vrighter, w Unity Claims PlayStation, Xbox & Nintendo Will Pay Its New Runtime Fee On Behalf Of Devs

yeah the console manufacturers are just gonna say “no, we don’t owe you anything, we have never dealt with you before. Sue us”

MJBrune, w Unity Claims PlayStation, Xbox & Nintendo Will Pay Its New Runtime Fee On Behalf Of Devs

I wonder what work Unity is living in. Must be nice to pretend you could get anyone to just pay whatever fee you make up.

germanatlas, w Unity Claims PlayStation, Xbox & Nintendo Will Pay Its New Runtime Fee On Behalf Of Devs
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How it will go down:

https://i.imgur.com/E8XWjzq.jpg

MentalEdge, w Cult of the Lamb Developer Threatens to Delete Game on Jan 1 Amid Unity Backlash - IGN
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Oh dear. The only option left will be to pirate it… And in the new model, the dev might have to pay unity even for pirated installs.

ShaunaTheDead,
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For real? That's crazy!

metaStatic,

Try to charge me retroactively for anything and see how fast I lawyer up.

Unaware7013,

Right? How the fuck is it legal to decide that your customers retroactively owe you money just because you unilaterally said so?

HolyDuckTurtle,
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One of the really fun details about this fiasco is a few years back, after they had made a big PR fuck up like this, Unity stated they would make their Terms of Service version-bound. If you had Unity 2019 and continued to use it forever, you would only have to abide by the ToS for that version. Put simply, they could not retroactively apply new changes to you.

...Guess which segment got quietly removed last year!

conciselyverbose,

I would think their public statements would significantly hurt the ability to do this, even if developers "agreed" to the terms without that clause.

I straight up don't think they could legally do it either way. But if they made public statements specifically addressing this particular thing, it has to significantly weaken their case.

Unaware7013,

That's the part I don't get. If I bought it in 2020 or whenever that was in the license, how can they decide to violate the license on the software you bought?

It's one thing of you go into the agreement knowing about the fees, but enforcing them retroactively against your own license agreement sounds like you're asking for a lawsuit.

Itty53,
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Put simply, they could not retroactively apply new changes to you.

Sounds like they could though?

Jokes aside, this is another in a recent string of "let's pretend our ToS are legally binding documents as fool-proof as the law" actions by major companies because ... well, who's stopping them?

Gordon_Freeman,
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your customers retroactively owe you money just because you unilaterally said so?

John Riccitiello is Unity's CEO, you may remember him from being EA's CEO or for being the guy who said the devs who don't monetize (you know adding microtransactions, loot boxes and all that greedy stuff) their videogames are "fucking idiots". I think that explains all

TwilightVulpine,

Over a finished unavailable product and unauthorized distribution? They might as well sue Unity back for trying to profit over piracy of their works.

Pamasich, (edited )

Only monetized games have to pay. If they stop selling the game, they shouldn't be affected anymore.

Also

Does the Unity Runtime Fee apply to pirated copies of games?
We are happy to work with any developer who has been the victim of piracy so that they are not unfairly hurt by unwanted installs.
(source)

wave_walnut,
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"trust me bro"

Wirrvogel,
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Ferk, (edited )
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As far as I understand (someone correct me if I'm wrong) games that are free / non-commercial and have zero revenue are not affected at all by this, they still don't have to pay anything regardless of the number of installs.

If the game is no longer being sold (and thus no longer commercial / having revenue), then I expect that even under those new rules Unity would also not charge the dev.

Sethayy,

“Will games made with Unity phone-home to track installs?

We will refine how we collect install data over time with a goal of accurately understanding the number of times the Unity runtime is distributed. Any install data will be collected in accordance with our Privacy Policy and applicable privacy laws.”

Sounds like they’re gonna add tracking data to the game, so probably pirated installs won’t count

conciselyverbose,

“Will games made with Unity phone-home to track installs?

We will refine how we collect install data over time with a goal of accurately understanding the number of times the Unity runtime is distributed. Any install data will be collected in accordance with our Privacy Policy and applicable privacy laws.” They already do, and fuck you for asking.

What a joke of a response.

shininghero, w Unity Claims PlayStation, Xbox & Nintendo Will Pay Its New Runtime Fee On Behalf Of Devs
reev, w Warcraft Rumble: Global pre-registration now open - DroidLocal

Big ol’ NOPE to anything Blizzard related

Pons_Aelius, w Top 5 Cringe-Worthy Additions to Your Gaming Setup

Thinly veiled amazon affiliate link spam.

Please delete this one as well.

Madison_rogue, w Unity cancels town hall over reported death threats
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He was the CEO of Electronic Arts when the controversial loot box monetization was added to FIFA 09. He made news when he called developers “fucking idiots” over some developers’ reluctance to introduce monetization schemes earlier in the development process. There’s also the infamous clip of Riccitiello talking during a shareholder call about charging Battlefield players a dollar to reload their guns.

Look at this guy...I couldn't read all of the Bloomberg article due to paywall, so I don't know if this jackass actually provided proof of these "death threats."

While I don't condone them, it seems awfully convenient that an executive who's known to stir controversy with his monetization strategies received "alleged" death threats. I have a hard time believing it without proof because this guy is a sleaze ball greedy mofo.

FreeBooteR69,
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In any group of people there will always be a tiny subset of the population who will pull this unhinged bullshit. It's unfortunate, but now the CEO gets to play the victim, and anyone who's against his bullshit gets to be painted with the same brush as the unhinged guy.

gullible,

I never understand freaking out about death threats. If someone actually wanted to murder you, they’d be quiet and methodical about it, not grandiose. To be fair, I’ve never received a death threat so perhaps I’m not theeeeeeeeeeeee

Madison_rogue,
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There might be a reason people freak out about death threats...

gullible,

I can’t reply, sorry. I’m dead.

Madison_rogue,
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RIP gullible

ripcord,
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Not trying to justify threats, but freaking out over one 40-year old event seems like overreaction, may not be the best argument.

Madison_rogue,
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How 'bout last year?

Ferk, (edited )
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Particularly in the US, where having a gun is relatively easy... to the point that even school kids can end up getting hold of them. I'd be scared.

ThunderingJerboa,
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I mean you are assuming the person who is trying to murder you is a rational actor but you can't really be a rational actor if you are threatening death to someone because of their shit monetization policies on your entertainment. Hell some people throw "Death threats" at people because they decide to change a reload speed by a fraction of a second. So yeah "gamers" can be quite unhinged. Hell you had idiots in Jan 6 who loudly stated their intention and beat a cop to death. Hell we have seen situations of weirdos getting close to celebrities (in their heads) then trying to kill them, and I imagine cases like that will only get worse with parasocial relationships getting a bit out of hand with modern influences and streamers.

all-knight-party,
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That's the fallacy of trying to understand criminal acts. For the most part, if someone were as smart, logical, and thoughtful as you are when you imagine the best way to commit murder, the kind of person to actually try and commit the murder would not be as smart, logical, or thoughtful to have gotten into that situation in the first place.

There are exceptions, of course, but it's enough of a possibility that it's probably better to take them seriously than not.

Edit: typed all that, scrolled down, some other dude already said it

DoucheBagMcSwag, w Don’t forget the new Pokémon Scarlet & Violet DLC is now available

Is the game playable now?….

YuzuDrink,

No more than it was before the DLC release, no.

Gordon_Freeman,
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you said it as if the game being playable were an important matter

Pons_Aelius, w Unity is offering a Runtime Fee waiver if you switch to LevelPlay as it tries to "kill AppLovin" - Mobilegamer.biz

Well, if I am going to migrate...

espiritu_p, w Top 5 Cringe-Worthy Additions to Your Gaming Setup

Boring.

I was hoping to see some weird chairs, or desks, or maybe a wall decoration no one wants at his wall.
You will find way weirder stuff if you visit any ordinary gamer.

Pons_Aelius, w Top 5 Cringe-Worthy Additions to Your Gaming Setup

Thinly veiled amazon affiliate link spam.

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