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Jhogenbaum, do games w Stop using Fandom
@Jhogenbaum@leminal.space avatar

Easy. Never heard of it. Done.

Psychodelic,

Lemmy has more niche users (read: geeks/nerds) on one site than I’ve ever experienced.

It’s awesome, but man, I feel so out of my element. I thought I was a nerd on reddit but on lemmy I have like no idea what half of the users are talking about or consider normal. It’s legit fascinating, tbh. I really wish it was possible to see the demographics of users here

hal_5700X, do games w Stop using Fandom
@hal_5700X@lemmy.world avatar

Who knows of a good Final Fantasy wiki?

Vipsu, do games w Stop using Fandom
@Vipsu@lemmy.world avatar

Fandom hosts a lot of wikis for long forgotten nich’e games and with these games there usually isn’t enough interest to move to another wiki. When it comes to these wikis theres rarely if ever a team behind updating the wiki and more often than not the content is just being updated and maintained by random invidividuals who just happen to be engaging with the content at given time. The very low barrier of entry makes this possible as you don’t really need to join a team to edit pages or even coordinate with other people.

When playing one of these games I like to record and share some my observations and findings about games mechanics etc but more often than not the only wiki I can find is fandom wiki that is either incomplete and possibly even abandoned. I cant be bothered to create my own Wiki for these games so I’ll just start editing that one instead because it’s easy, the foundation is usually already there and I don’t need to bother taking any sort of responsibility/mantle of maintainer or admin.

While Fandom may not be the most optimal choice and there may be better ways to host wiki out there its still better than some obnoxious google document or poorly formatted steam guide that no one else can edit.

wildginger,

The reason you often cannot find smaller wikis is because this site killed them off.

Vipsu,
@Vipsu@lemmy.world avatar

All too common within attention economy for people to go for the more popular choice.
Search engine algorithms tend to make things even worse.

But there are games out there that might not even have wikis if Fandom didn’t make the barrier of entry so low.

wildginger,

What games are so small as to not be capable of generating a non fandom wiki, but are large enough that the wiki is not completely empty and factually incorrect?

Vipsu,
@Vipsu@lemmy.world avatar

Well old games like The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing: Final Cut or Moero Chronicles.
Neither of these where completely empty when I found them. Been updating them and filling some gaps in the wiki for the fun of it.

Many would consider both of these games “dead” by many metrics but people can still buy them, play them and have fun with them.

wildginger,

And wiki.gg wouldnt host them?

Vipsu,
@Vipsu@lemmy.world avatar

The problem is that the content is already in wiki fandom and there are no contributors invested/interested enough to migrate all the information to alternative wiki. These fandom wikis have no teams just random individuals making contributions of various sizes.

If I do ever get invested enough to a game to actually create a wiki I’ll definately use something else than fandom.

wildginger,

… Didnt you just say you made those 2 examples? Or did I misread

Vipsu,
@Vipsu@lemmy.world avatar

Quoting what I said in earlier reply:

Neither of these where completely empty when I found them. Been updating them and filling some gaps in the wiki for the fun of it.

I have not created any wikis myself I’ve just contributed to few that I’ve found which unfortunately have been hosted on fandom.

wildginger,

Ah, I did misread.

Pretty sure wiki.gg has a wiki port request, so the fandom versions can be moved

mana, do games w Stop using Fandom

This is one of the main reasons I use Kagi. I have sites like fandom and fextralife blocked in my search results.

One of the things I miss about early internet years was all the independent fan sites and forums people had. Now, so much is just posted to these garbage platforms that control everything.

Gaybees,
@Gaybees@artemis.camp avatar

Yes!! Gotta love Kagi and the ability to tailor search results to be exactly what you want.

janAkali,

I use Metager instead - it’s FOSS and also has an option to filter out choosen domains from the search results.

Jarmer,

and recently the AI written garbage “gamer” websites have become a problem as well. You can tell instantly that some ai just collected and regurgitated a bunch of text that doesn’t even make sense.

Now I pretty much stick just to the fan created wikis. Stuff like bg3.wiki and uesp.net

YarHarSuperstar,
@YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world avatar

What’s wrong with fextralife? I’m ootl

mana,

Fextralife embeds their twitch stream into their site, artificially inflating their twitch viewer numbers, which in turn hurts smaller streamers since fextralife will be sorted first by viewer count.

val, (edited )

They game SEO to flood search results with articles that are pure, useless placeholders which most of the time will never be written. Even when they’re more than a placeholder page, they’re often wrong outside of a few games because they’re just there to get clicks. Downvote bots were used against links to competing wikis, and while Fextralife denies it, they were conveniently spared.

There is more shady behavior out there around Fextra, but the most important thing for a user is there is almost always a better wiki that’s being suppressed in the search results. If you blacklist the site you’re a lot more likely to find something useful.

YarHarSuperstar,
@YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world avatar

Oh wow. Is it still worth using on games like elden ring where they have a good amount of info on every page?

val,

Still haven’t gotten around to playing Elden Ring so I don’t know if there are better alternatives.

WarmSoda, do games w Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - Booster Course Pass Wave 6 - Course Overview

They’re going to have a hard time selling MK9 when 8 has a bajillion tracks.

HiddenLychee,

Ain’t gonna be a MK9

funnystuff97,

Kinda gives me suspicions that the next console won’t be backwards compatible. They couldn’t market another Mario Kart, or Smash Brothers while I’m at it, if you could just play the old one… unless it’s a significant upgrade.

I sure hope the next console is backwards compatible, or I aint buying it.

echo64,

I mean… mk8 is from the wiiu. This is the exact situation you are describing, it already happened. They just resold that game and many others and people bought them in droves

funnystuff97,

This is true, but the slight difference is that the WiiU extremely undersold. A significant number of people who own a Switch did not own a WiiU-- I myself did own a WiiU, and was bummed to not be able to play Mario Maker, Splatoon, Mario Kart 8, 3D World, and so on… but most of my complaints were met with re-releases and sequels. I can’t say I entirely disagree with the decision, again since the WiiU was a major flop, but it would have been nice to have my WiiU library brought over. But for most people, they didn’t care. I mean, MK8D sold more copies than the WiiU itself.

But this is a different ball game. The Switch is a success. Many people own a Switch. The Legend of Zelda games on Switch are among the highest rated video games in history. If this catalog is lost when transferring to the next console, Nintendo would absolutely be shooting themselves in the foot. Historically, Nintendo is somewhat on board with backwards compatibility, but not always, so we’ll see.

echo64,

I guarantee that a switch 2 running botw at 60fps and upscaled to 4k would sell huge numbers.

Epicurus0319,

Eh it will, they just released a new mario game for the current one

citruslumps,

Eh Nintendo Kart equivalent would be a good successor and sell like hot cakes.

mnemonicmonkeys,

Unfortunately they cram at least one of the World Tour tracks into every one of the new cups. I can’t stand playing the new cups because of them

Boiglenoight,

There’s a lot of room for improvement. The physics change from each major entry, and I’d like to see more realistic inertia to everything, and less floaty. Having to generate speed (or control it) to make a jump or stay on course would change the feel of the game and make things more interesting.

Hotdogman, do games w Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - Booster Course Pass Wave 6 - Course Overview

Looks like they saw how rockstar does business.

raptir,

48 courses that are truly remade rather than copy-pasted in (support MK8 features) for $25 doesn’t seem too bad to me.

pathos,
@pathos@kbin.social avatar

Yeah, the amount of work that has gone into these for a one-time purchase of $25 is a pretty great deal.

AlternatePersonMan,

My only complaint (other than I’ve always hated when they recycle maps from previous games) is that you need Internet connectivity to play these. That completely defeats the whole point of the Switch.

kattenluik,

You don’t need internet connectivity to play these, unless you mean downloading them initially. I’m sure they’ll make an updated physical with these maps in it at some point too.

AlternatePersonMan,

I definitely could not access them without Internet. This was after they had been downloaded and played. The error even said as much. Maybe they’ve changed that since? Hopefully…

StorminNorman,

Wait, what? Got a screenshot? Cos, let’s face it, the switch has terrible wifi, and I’m frequently not on network and can play offline fine and have never had any pop up like that.

AlternatePersonMan,

If I put it in airplane mode, voila: (sorry for the crummy phone capture). You can still play the default courses, but this is complete bullshit.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/ac64b7aa-3656-43cc-8947-69caf1e5c7d0.jpeg

StorminNorman,

I dunno how to prove it cos proving negatives is way too hard, but I just played a track offline no worries. You contacted support?

csolisr,

Even if you purchase them directly instead of using the online pass? Guess I’ll have to check it for myself

Glemek,

Even with the online pass you can go a while between checking in, I play mk8 on planes pretty regularly

AlternatePersonMan,

You can play the original courses, but not the booster courses. Once you quit the game and lose your internet, no more dlc.

I suppose if you don’t change games you might be fine. But it feels like a low blow on a system marketed for it’s portability.

Glemek,

I don’t know what to tell you, I literally do it.

I turn the system fully off on the way to the airport, then boot it back up and play whatever I want, including the booster courses.

I just checked, and it let me start the game and load up the feather cup while in airplane mode.

WarmSoda,

You can’t play them solo?

I’m pretty sure I have the initial free booster tracks and I was able to play them solo offline just like any other course. It has been awhile though, I could be wrong.

Hotdogman,

I stand corrected. I didnt think ninendo ever dropped prices of games. Major ones that is

yiliu,

Nope, you’re not corrected. The expansion tracks are $25, the game itself is still $60.

MeaanBeaan,

They didn’t. It’s $25 for the 48 DLC courses. Base game is still $60 in the eshop.

Resol, do games w Stop using Fandom
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

I wish I could, but I like browsing Logopedia which is hosting on Fandom and has announced no plans to leave the site. If they did, I’d completely abandon that place and block everything that has to do with them.

And no, it’s not easy to migrate a database of hundreds of thousands of logos to another wikifarm, especially if new stuff arrives all the time.

xvlc, do games w Stop using Fandom

You might have heard of alternative frontends to services such as YouTube (Piped, Invidious), X/Twitter (Nitter), etc.

Something similar exists for Fandom: Breezewiki. This instance seems to occasionally result in errors, other instances seem to work more reliable.

pathos, do games w Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - Booster Course Pass Wave 6 - Course Overview
@pathos@kbin.social avatar

No GCN Rainbow Road?
Remind me where we keep the pitchforks?

Chetzemoka, do games w Stop using Fandom

I don’t seem to run into a lot of Hollow Knight fans around here yet so I popped over to the HK community on that other website. Confirm: this video is one of the top trending on YouTube today lol. I figured, mossbag is…shall we say a very well-known figure in the community, if you’re not in the know.

I absolutely still rely on the wiki for HK shit I can’t remember like boss HP scaling and where tf was that last item I need for that one upgrade god dammit?? Glad to see them move to somewhere independent. Will donate.

AceFuzzLord, do games w Stop using Fandom

For just about every single pokemon fan game I play, the fandom wiki pages have pretty much been utter garbage. Either they’re out of date, contain almost no useful info, or have a slew of other problems making it as painful as falling in a bunch of cacti. Same for most other ones I used to visit.

Will admit, Pokemon Empire having their own site for their fan game is still infinitely better than the fandom pages for it.

ElectricTrombone,
@ElectricTrombone@lemmy.world avatar

Does serebii.net or bulbapedia only cover the original franchise games? Just curious. Haven’t played a Pokémon game in a long time.

AceFuzzLord,

I think bulbapedia cover just about any official content as far as I’m aware, so long as it’s licensed or made by nintento directly. Anything from the games to the anime to the trading cards to things like obscure licensed Japanese arcade games based on the franchise.

Don’t know if serebii does all that or if it just focuses on the games since I don’t use it.

morgunkorn, (edited ) do games w Stop using Fandom
@morgunkorn@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

My easy solution, whenever I land on a fandom page, is to add “anti” in front of the domain name, “antifandom” will filter out the crep out of the original page and present a clean version of the wiki. This is powered by BreezeWiki

Example:


edit: typo, added example

Dark_Arc,
@Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

That’s really cool!

victron,
@victron@programming.dev avatar

Thanks for sharing, didn’t know that.

terrehbyte, do games w Stop using Fandom

An extension called Indie Wiki Buddy can also help with this by helping direct you to known alternatives to fandom for specific franchises or falling back to Breezewiki-based instances that rehost Fandom content without all of the Fandom bloat. It also provides this filtering and hinting to search results too, so you don’t have to change your workflow too much to use it.

attemptX, do games w The Talos Principle 2 | Launch Trailer
@attemptX@lemmy.world avatar

Can’t wait to play it !

ByteJunk, do games w The Talos Principle 2 | Launch Trailer
@ByteJunk@lemmy.world avatar

I didn’t know the first one until I got it as one of epic free games and it blew my mind. I’m keeping this onw on my radar.

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