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CaptainSpaceman, do games w [PyottDesign] Ultimate FPS Controller Design and Build

False, ultimate FPS controller is board+mouse

slumberlust,

Is that why every Apex player switched from mouse to controller?

CaptainSpaceman,

Controller adds aim assist in most games?

ncesc.com/…/why-do-controller-players-get-aim-ass…

Why do controller players get aim assist?

Aim assist is a feature designed to compensate for the inherent challenges of aiming with a controller compared to a mouse and keyboard.

Chee_Koala,

Ever since cross play became ubiquitous, the aim assist has been increasing and increasing. I was playing BF 1 on my Steam Deck and thought I accidentally did speed and coke, I was playing so well! Then I remembered I play mouse + keyboard normally.

GoodEye8,

Yeah, the aim assist is getting stupid. I returned to The Finals when the new season released and the game had defaulted to cross play on. For the first few days I thought I had completely forgotten how to shoot, I couldn’t win a fight even if my life depended on it. It felt like everyone was laser-beaming and my guns had recoil. Eventually I noticed a spectator cam where aim assist was obvious and I understood I have cross play on. Turned it off and I instantly went from bottom of the scoreboard to being at least decent.

From now on cross play always stays off. I don’t have the time to get my aim to a level where I could compete with aim assist.

dumpsterlid,

I mean I get it, auto-aim can be frustrating, especially if you can’t find a game you like that doesn’t have it, but on the other hand a bit of good auto-aim de-emphasizes just being extremely good at aiming which makes every other aspect of the game more important and satisfying to master, which I think you can make a good argument for being a good thing when it is done right.

Rai,

Apex’s aim assist is laser aimbot. It’s insane.

Hadriscus,

Yes, as far as I know

lemmy_at_em,

The video even concludes with that point. He was still 10-20% more accurate with a keyboard and mouse than either controller. But I thought his point about the controller being more intuitive and versatile for movement than a keyboard was interesting.

GBU_28,

I wonder how much default exposure plays in.

As in, the default computer experience is m kb. So you have tons of passive practice, just doing normal computer stuff.

So the fairest comparison would require impossible things, like raising someone to use a controller like this an equal amount to m+kb, over the same developmental years, etc

woelkchen,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

But I thought his point about the controller being more intuitive and versatile for movement than a keyboard was interesting.

Others had the same thought long ago which is why for example Razer has “gaming keypads” with analog input for movement:

https://techaeris.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/razer-tartarus-v2.jpg

www.razer.com/shop/keyboards/gaming-keypads

Rai,

The thumb pad/joystick is not analog, it’s a standard directional pad when you pop the joystick off. I use it for four extra buttons (usually menu buttons)

That said, been using hand keyboards forEVER (Tartarus 2, Orbweaver chroma, Orbweaver, Nostromo, and some belkin one that’s basically the Nostromo) and they’re AMAZING.

Hadriscus,

I could have been fooled ! Know of any one of those that sports an analog stick ?

Rai,

I don’t! I wish I did, but to be honest it wouldn’t feel good to play with a controller like tusk and your thumb. I’ve played SNES games with my thumb and it felt… wrong.

Still, these hand keyboards are SO GOOD. I wish lore companies made them. The ergonomics of the Tartarus 2 are perfect, and it’s so nice to have one big profile and not have to fuck with keybinds in-game, ever.

Hadriscus,

Yea I was hoping I could have the best of both worlds but if the stick isn’t analog it’s all moot. Thanks for your feedback. I’ll probably keep using my macropad for the time being

woelkchen,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

The Razer website says something about analog inputs using light sensors.🤷

Rai,

Oh! That refers to the keys. They’re like… pressure sensitive on the new one, which is neat! I have the Tartarus v2, which has standard keys. The thumb stick is a standard D-Pad on em both, though.

woelkchen,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

A stick being only a standard d-pad is kinda dumb…

Rai,

FULLY agree. You can pop it off and use the DPad as a… DPad, though, which is what I’ve always done.

…except for the Orbweaver Chroma, which has a non-removable 8-direction joystick, which is VERY dumb.

TwilightVulpine, do gaming w The largest campaign ever to stop publishers destroying games | Accursed Farms

Love the effort this guy is putting into it. I don't have The Crew to participate but I hope this pays off.

Kerb, do gaming w If AAA is No Longer Profitable... Make Smaller Games | A16Z Games (10:11)
@Kerb@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

this stuff really pisses me off,
i remember recently watching a video about tekken8.

the devs aparently made an announcement that boils down to “we need to monetize the shit out of this game now to make our monney back”
and the streamer just went “yeah thats reasonable”

they have the sales figures for tekken 7, and tekken 7 was an online game, so they know their active userbase.
(and they also now charge 70 bucks)

so they have at least a vague idea of how much monney they’ll make.

how can you screw up your budget that bad unless you senslessly dump money at your release.

yeah cutting edge graphics are neat,
but thats incredibly expensive.
and imo not that nececary for a great experience.

maybe a game that needs to nickle and dime its playerbase shouldnt be made in the first place?

Cowbee, do gaming w If AAA is No Longer Profitable... Make Smaller Games | A16Z Games (10:11)
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Appealing to the widest audience possible for the largest gross profits, rather than appealing to specific audiences with a smaller budget, is part of the issue with modern gaming.

Shurimal, do games w The New York Times Simulator - A free casual game about manufacturing consent

Took me about 2 minutes to piss off the pigs🤪

Edit: 60 seconds to make zionists lose their mind🤘

KingThrillgore, do gaming w If AAA is No Longer Profitable... Make Smaller Games | A16Z Games (10:11)
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

The last people I need telling me the obvious is A16Z

Aatube, do games w The New York Times Simulator - A free casual game about manufacturing consent

Why did they do the NYT specifically-
clicks video
OH MY GOD

LiveLM, do gaming w If AAA is No Longer Profitable... Make Smaller Games | A16Z Games (10:11)

Oh wow, big words coming from fucking Andreessen Horowitz Games

espiritu_p, do gaming w The largest campaign ever to stop publishers destroying games | Accursed Farms

That's a great initiative.
I haven't bought games from big publishers as EA or Ubi for years because of this issue.

Gabu, do gaming w If AAA is No Longer Profitable... Make Smaller Games | A16Z Games (10:11)

That would be the reasonable and rational conclusion, but capitalism is neither reasonable nor rational.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

You can only throw away hundreds of millions of dollars on Avengers and Suicide Squad so many times before they decide to come up with something people are willing to pay for.

Karyoplasma, do gaming w If AAA is No Longer Profitable... Make Smaller Games | A16Z Games (10:11)

What a shit take lol

AAA does not describe the size of the game, but the size of the brand and publisher.

schmidtster,

I believe that’s the problem, AAA studios can put out shit games, the game content should dictate that.

My eyes are getting sore from all these studios popping up claiming they are making AAA games, maybe put something out first mate.

Immersive_Matthew,

Right. What does AAA even mean? Meta spent billions on their Horizons Metaverse, but countless Indie Metaverses are way higher rated some made by just one person. Clearly AAA does not mean the size of the team or the budget.

Sanctus, do gaming w If AAA is No Longer Profitable... Make Smaller Games | A16Z Games (10:11)
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah only the massive dudes are struggling cause they’ll never figure it out. They just chase the dragon.

YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH, do gaming w If AAA is No Longer Profitable... Make Smaller Games | A16Z Games (10:11)

Why would I believe anything andreesen Horowitz says about anything, let alone gaming? These people believed that NFTs were the future of gaming. Grifter bellends.

jordanlund, do gaming w The largest campaign ever to stop publishers destroying games | Accursed Farms
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

This doesn’t even take into account things like Destiny 2 which had half of the paid content excised from the game.

Oh, it’s still “supported” and online, and playable… just with none of the content that makes it make sense.

ProdigalFrog,

Hmm… That’s a bit of an odd case. I’m not sure how that would fare under this proposal. I would personally be for saving that content, but if they argue the removal of that older content is part of the experience of the game, similar to how MMO’s change things with updates… I dunno, could be tricky.

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

So what happened was, they sold the base game for $60, then had multiple paid expansions over time.

A few years in, Bungie decided to start “Vaulting” content, literally removing it from the game. This included all of the original story based missions, 1/2 of the planetary destinations, the first two expansions, and all their associated missions, strikes, raids, etc. etc.

Just gone. Not in the game anymore.

The stated reason was that it was too much for new players to download, but then new players came in going “I don’t know where to start. What do I do?” because all the story based progression had been removed.

They have since changed their mind on vaulting MORE content, but at the same time, they haven’t restored anything either.

ProdigalFrog,

Ah, if you paid specifically for that content (as like a DLC or something) and it has been removed, I think this initiative might help with that, because that is absolutely destroying access to something you paid for. The main game may still be online and supported, but if they kill support for the expansions you purchased, that’s effectively ‘ending’ support for the DLC/expansion, which is destroying a product you paid for.

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, they removed 1/2 of the base game and the first few expansions.

Computerchairgeneral, do gaming w The largest campaign ever to stop publishers destroying games | Accursed Farms

I'm impressed at how well thought out this battle plan is. I'm usually pessimistic when it comes to governments taking pro-consumer stances, but then again all it takes is one government siding against game companies to set a precedent. Hopefully this picks up steam and gets to a wider audience. It feels like one of the few things gamers can agree on these days is how much they hate business practices like this.

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