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Bitrot, do gaming w ‘Call of Duty’ Doesn’t Just Depict Bad History—It’s Pro-War Propaganda
@Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

You didn’t play long enough, eventually there are miscellaneous Cuban enemies too.

If you aren’t going to finish the game, I’d recommend at least watching the ending. The “good” ending modifies the typical narrative and the “bad” ending ends up being much more fun.

MinusPi, do gaming w ‘Call of Duty’ Doesn’t Just Depict Bad History—It’s Pro-War Propaganda
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Did anyone not realize this?

TwilightVulpine,

A lot of teenagers with poor history education probably never did.

teawrecks, do gaming w ‘Call of Duty’ Doesn’t Just Depict Bad History—It’s Pro-War Propaganda

I think at this point, the only way they get media attention is if they do something outlandish like this. The adults get huffy and make posts like this, the kids don’t care at all and call them boomers, and all press is good for them. It started with “remember, no russian” and it’s the only reason I ever hear about COD anymore.

Draedron, do gaming w ‘Call of Duty’ Doesn’t Just Depict Bad History—It’s Pro-War Propaganda

Every movie and game depicting american guns needs clearance from the DOD and is therefore war propaganda. Often that is very obvious. It’s the reason I had to stop watching marvel movies. Too much pro military shit

Umbrias,

Im going to correct and elaborate here.

Just taken at face value this claim is wrong. What you’re thinking of is that you can often get military hardware in media, as in tanks, soldiers as extras, uniforms, 3d models of vehicles, etc. Directly from the military/dod. These are things which often cost millions of dollars, you can occasionally get them for free in your movie. The caveat is generally that then the dod is allowed to vet and veto scenes and uses, the expectation being that they can kick out anything that depicts the military in a bad lens, more or less.

Rentlar, do gaming w ‘Call of Duty’ Doesn’t Just Depict Bad History—It’s Pro-War Propaganda
Fizz, do gaming w ‘Call of Duty’ Doesn’t Just Depict Bad History—It’s Pro-War Propaganda
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@knokelmaat As someone who used to play call of duty I don't think anyone plays the campaign and thinks its anything more than fantasy.

murtaza64,

Young and impressionable kids? I started playing the original MW2 when I was 11.

WarmSoda,

You thought it depicted reality?

knokelmaat,

Even if you know it’s fiction you get the feeling that you are on the “good” side, which may colour your perception on the US military interventions.

WarmSoda,

True. The teenage mutant ninja turtles colored my perception of giant crime fighting amphibious creatures when I was young…

knokelmaat,

Why are you giving an example that is not based on a real war or context?

Of course this doesn’t influence your opinion of real life as the subject doesn’t refer to real life (as you so clearly describe with the “giant crime fighting amphibious creatures”).

WarmSoda,

Because it’s the same thing.
Are you unable to distinguish fiction from reality? Do you also believe GI Joe was real? Does Grand Thieft Auto make you want to steal cars and beat up prostitutes?

It’s a video game. You have much much bigger problems to worry about if you’re having trouble disconnecting from it in your mind.

prole,

What a brain rot take. They are children, my guy. I know you think you’re the smartest 12 year old in you class, but not everyone is as clever as you .

Or maybe this is just you telling everyone that you know don’t know how propaganda works.

WarmSoda,

You apparently have much much bigger problems, my guy.

termus,
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I’m not your guy, buddy.

WarmSoda,

I’m your buddy, pal!

knokelmaat,

Are you saying that fiction has no influence on how we view the world?

I’m sorry, but that is just wrong. Using fictional works as propaganda is a thing, so it most certainly has an effect on the public.

Other research papers after a quick search, these indicate influence between fiction and beliefs/opinions of the consumers:

journals.sagepub.com/doi/…/1532673X12453758

cambridge.org/…/3853105561CB840EAB79258DC2575849

researchgate.net/…/45847098_The_influence_of_tele…

WarmSoda,

No I’m saying it’s a videogame.

All this was hashed out 20 years ago, man. You’re late to the party. Sorry.

knokelmaat,

Ok let me spell it out:

I know this is a videogame.

I know the difference between games and reality.

I do however know that people get indirectly influenced by the media they consume. (See my other comment for scientific sources on this).

Playing violent games does not make you violent.

It’s the tone that matters. The Last of Us is very violent but never makes it feel cool. Uncharted is very over the top and enemies are just nameless, raceless grunts. The story in GTA often makes it clear how fucked up the crime world is.

That is my issue with the Vietnam scene I was playing earlier. This was not like Uncharted based in a completely fictional conflict. This was based in a real war that the US participated in, killing real people, and you’re just there being the awesome hero killing locals by the dozens.

I know this will not change your mind.

This is my last attempt at being reasonable and trying to understand each other.

I know you will answer with some short personal remark or minimize all the points I have made instead of having an actual conversation.

I hope you prove me wrong, otherwise this will be my last response to you.

monsterpiece42,

You’re making a solid and valid point OP. The other guy is being a fuck. I wouldn’t pay him much mind but I do admire your willingness to explain your angle!

knokelmaat,

Thanks, this message means a lot to me!

WarmSoda, (edited )

You still never answered my question.
You thought it depicted reality?

irmoz, (edited )

You can’t act like media doesn’t help inform your biases. Sure, your opinion on nonexistent crime fighting turtles may not have changed, since that is complete fantasy. But your view on crime itself?

I saw Batman as a kid, and, though Batman obviously isn’t real, crime certainly is, and so are urban decay and bad neighbourhoods in cities. Seeing Batman take out goons and thugs made be believe those goons and thugs existed, and that I’d be in danger if I went out at night. More scared, in fact, because I knew Batman wouldn’t save me, since he isn’t real. The Batman films made Batman feel necessary, and his absence made the world scarier.

Fizz,
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Did you think it was real?

kitonthenet,

That’s not incompatible with the thesis, fantasy can and does have a point of view

irmoz,

Exactly. For an extreme example, to “fantasise” about CSA requires a very warped POV.

prole,

You forget that literal children play these games

TwilightVulpine,

And also US puts out enough propaganda about their role in wars that enough grown-ass adults have very idealized views about them.

Silejonu, (edited )
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The US Army would disagree, and I'm certain they know better than you. They literally use CoD in their recruitment campaigns.

Fizz,
@Fizz@mastodon.nz avatar

@Silejonu @knokelmaat The article that you linked does not support your argument at all. It mentions that the US Army tried to make a video game to recruit people but its a game no one has heard of. Most of their budget is used to sponsor esports teams and streamers. That is not relevant to the propaganda in the CoD campaign.

saigot,

I know people who thought the infamous “no russian” mission was based on a real thing.

arefx, do gaming w ‘Call of Duty’ Doesn’t Just Depict Bad History—It’s Pro-War Propaganda

Call of duryllty games aren’t even good.

Binthinkin, do gaming w ‘Call of Duty’ Doesn’t Just Depict Bad History—It’s Pro-War Propaganda

COD and now that Fallujah one are such garbage and disrespect those who were there. The cocaine jacked asshats of the COD franchise need better stories so they just lie.

robdor, do gaming w ‘Call of Duty’ Doesn’t Just Depict Bad History—It’s Pro-War Propaganda

It’s a game.

Absolute_Axoltl,

It being a game doesn’t change anything. A film can be pro-war propaganda and it continues to be a film.

TwilightVulpine,

This sort of response shows that even some people who care a lot about games, think little of them. Like they are all inconsequential playthings.

Can you imagine anyone saying "it's a book" to try to say that they don't matter?

eltimablo,

Can you imagine anyone saying "it's a book" to try to say that they don't matter?

Atheists do it all the time when talking about the Bible

Bitrot,
@Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

In comparison to “the inspired, living word of God”, only the edgiest would argue it hasn’t been an important piece of literature.

eltimablo,

In my time, I've encountered edge sharp enough to cut the very universe itself.

TwilightVulpine,

Sure, but that is a whole different argument. When atheists say that that the Bible is "just a book" it's not a dismissal of the value of literature, it's saying that they don't need to be bound to what it says, that to them it's no more than any other book.

robdor,

Yes

shiveyarbles, do gaming w ‘Call of Duty’ Doesn’t Just Depict Bad History—It’s Pro-War Propaganda

I agree with this, and also the game is shit so it’s not hard to stay away

intensely_human, do gaming w ‘Call of Duty’ Doesn’t Just Depict Bad History—It’s Pro-War Propaganda

I mean duh. It’s art that makes war fun.

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