So as someone who is an avid fan of Bg1 and bg2, but having never played divinity games because of kinda lack of interest, is bg3 worthy or not? I don’t want to get disappointed.
I had played some post-bg rpgs like dragon age: origins, but it felt like meh and I did not complete it.
I can’t do much to answer your original question but you could always try it and refund it within the 2 hour period steam allows.
Sure, you won’t be able to get the full experience but in that time you should be able to get a basic feel for the game and some characters which could let you form your own opinion.
Steam can be pretty loose with the period too within reason. I only returned a game once, it was the Outer Worlds and I put like 4 hours into it. I explained to them that at that point it was clear that choices didn't have the big impact I thought they would and I felt deceived.
It’s a great game by all measures, but it really feels more like a sequel to the last two Divinity games rather than the Baldur’s Gate series. The only thing it really has in common with the old games is the setting, a few recurring characters, and the fact that it’s based on D&D. Otherwise, they are about as different as CRPGs can get.
If you want a spiritual successor to the old infinity engine games, look at the two Pillars of Eternity games and the two Pathfinder games.
I have had one of the pathfinders games gifted to me, but not tried yet. I guess I should give it a go after I finish up with (totally unrelated) Monster Train.
Pillars of eternity was fucking incredible. They absolutely nailed that old bioware vibe, something I’m certain the cranial leakage Larian employs is incapable of.
I never played BG1 or BG2 or any of the Divinity games. I have played DND a lot. This feels like medieval fantasy Fallout 1 & 2 with AAA flourishes. I really like it. It’s very unforgiving. There are a lot of creative ways to finish quests. You can miss entire bits of the game based on choices. There’s a character you literally cannot recruit based on your morality choices, and with them entire subplots. The game is DEEP
Baldur’s Gate 2 is one of my favourite games of all time, and I was extremely worried and sceptical that BG3 could live up to the hype and the name of the franchise.
To the first point, it definitely has. The game is fantastic, deep, fun and absorbing, with gorgeous environments, interesting nooks, crannies and dungeons to explore and lots of fun making custom multiclass combos for your character.
It does a good job of creating a facsimile of playing Pen-and-Paper D&D with an abundance of skill checks and visible Dice Rolls, and if you decide to roll with your failures instead of save-scumming it has lots of different permutations for events and decisions can have serious consequences.
When it comes to how it relates to the previous games, I’m at the end of Act 2 and have yet to discover a real reason for this game to be called “Baldur’s Gate 3”. So far it has been entirely standalone, narratively. There might still be connections further down the road, however.
The real difference is in the writing. If what you love about the old Baldur’s Gates were the characters and the writing and you want and expect more of that then you will be disappointed. First of all, this game takes place 100 years after BG2 so expect very few familiar faces. The one returning character I’ve encountered so far has not felt particularly recognisable, either. It’s a damn good game, but it definitely feels like an unmistakably Larian game, and not a Baldur’s Gate game, writing wise. It particularly comes through in the companions.
As someone who adores the old games, I still recommend trying it as I’m having a lot of fun with it, but you might want to pretend it’s called “Divinity: Faerun” and not Baldur’s Gate 3 to enjoy it fully.
I love BG series since I’m young (started playing bg1 when I was 14, and I was still playing this year). While BG3 is different in many respect, it is honourable to the franchise IMO.
The game is different obviously, because 20 years have passed. Beamdog made a remaster is what you want is the original game. And BG3 shares a lot with divinity original sin, mostly because it’s the same engine running it. It’s not real time with pause, you have far more interactions with the environment, far more possibilities while exploring the world, and the world is far more reactive to what you’re doing.
IMO BG3 is better than bg2 in almost every respect.
The companions relationships are deeper, and they still have their own personalities, they’re not just following you like in almost all bioware games post BG. There can be very dramatic moment with them.
The rest of the game has a lot to do with what made BG good games. And there was a lot to it.
An important part was the dnd fantasy world and rules. They are updated to 5e, and it’s still dnd, no other game than a dnd franchise would have that.
Most other aspect were already there in Dos2 though: exploration, character and group building, itemization, open world and big side adventures. All that is there and it is the quality of BG. The freedom to do anything the way you like is also there and better than with BG, because the engine allows so much more.
The tactical aspect is also there. The only difference, as I said, is turn based instead of real time with pause. If you’re OK with that, I cannot see how you wouldn’t be happy with BG3, except for some nostalgia that would prevent you from liking anything new. IMO BG3 is factually a better bg2.
Lastly, the story. I’m not that far, and I haven’t seen many connections with bg1 and 2 stories yet. There are references. And the story happens around and in Baldur’s gate (unlike Baldur’s gate 2 btw).
I loved BG2 and it was one of my favourite games ever for a very long time. Though when I read the old BG sub on Reddit it seems people there disliked everything I loved and hyperfocused on things I just considered part of the vehicle to deliver an amazing story that allowed so much freedom and depth that made you feel emotional and connected. I had tried to replay BG2 but the mechanics are so, so outdated now and distracting.
BG3 over delivers on the choice depth, story and connection but does so with an updated, fun and much better engine with much more mechanics.
I understand frustration with potential spoilers, but to be fair this scene was in a livestreamed demo that Larian hosted that went viral before the game even launched. It’s not been kept particularly secret and I don’t think it’s probably a major plot point.
the point is that I should get to decide whether or not I learn about game stuff outside of the game. I did not watch any demos or play early access because I want to experience everything including the small stuff for the first time.
I can control not watching YT/Twitch/etc but I can’t control someone just full on posting a spoiler in the title of a post. If this was a BG3 community - fine. but it’s general gaming.
Dude, I heard about the bear sex scrolling on Mastodon. And then saw it again all over YouTube in thumbnails. If you follow any gaming news at all, you’re going to see stuff like this, the mildest of mild spoilers.
I think you’re purposely missing the point. If you can’t understand why posting spoilers in titles is inconsiderate - I don’t know how else to explain it. Just say you’re too selfish to even take 2 seconds to consider others who feel differently in the gaming community and go. Rather than try to explain and convince me you’re not inconsiderate - cause you are. Thanks
No, thanks. Sorry my pointing out that people (sounds like including you) can be inconsiderate by putting spoilers in titles is so deeply upsetting for you that you’re reduced to name-calling just to save your own ego. You can disagree and think it’s not a big deal. That’s fine. But then own that you just don’t care about others.
The sheer number of high level enemies and bosses I've killed as a Warlock with one hit of my Eldritch Blast charged with Repelling Blast that throws them down a pit begs to differ. There's no ukulele strumming or bongos banging that'll top the fun and laughs I have every time I see an enemy relatively close to a big fall.
Other than that, the game is VERY generous with healing items and options all around. There's so many dialogue options which gave me DC 5 or less to pass, along with many inspiration sources that you'll barely need Bard's "essential" skills.
I fucking loved playing as a Great Old One Warlock in 5e. Eldritch Blast with Agonizing Blast (I assume that’s an option in BG3?) is so versatile. Maybe I’m just easily persuaded because now I’m leaning toward Warlock again lol.
How is it for role-playing? I think that was my favorite part with the character I had.
I don't know how much Larian has changed BG3 from the classical tabletop, but it feels like everything is the same. To be fair, just pick the class and race you most like and play it, ignore all the minmaxing gatekeepers and articles like this, just have your own fun and come to your own conclusions.
How is it for role-playing? I think that was my favorite part with the character I had.
I have about 30 hours and I haven't even left the first area, but from what I've seen, you never go long without a dialogue choice with a skill/race/class check. The charisma and wisdom based checks are constant, so my Warlock is always useful no matter what.
One of the biggest changes is ranges of attacks. An Eldritch Blast has a range of 120ft in 5e. In BG3 all ranged attacks have been significantly shortened (less than half for Eldritch Blast) so they can’t be targeted “off screen”.
As a design philosophy, Larian dislikes people being hit by attacks from off screen so they limited the length of ranged attacks.
Developer Unknown Worlds has shared a letter asking for patience from Subnautica fans after publisher Krafton announced the departure of its senior leadership—including studio co-founder Max McGuire—and the installation of Dead Space producer and Striking Distance (The Callisto Protocol) CEO, Steve Papoutsis, as the new studio head.
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The letter does firmly deny that the game will be live serviceified or otherwise experience a monetization change.
Each game needs to have a custom profile created to render in 3D. From the linked article:
3dSen is an emulator that lets you play 2D NES games in 3D. Its programmers have to create a custom profile for it to work its magic on each game, which means there are currently 100 supported games, including Contra, Super Mario Bros, Batman, Castlevania, Bubble Bobble, and Gradius.
And then they made Myth II, which they had to recall (that almost bankrupted their company) because trying to uninstall it could delete your system folder and brick your PC.
At least with Myth II, Bungie actually made the right call and did the right thing.
The fundamental concept and theme of the game is trash. It literally makes everything you do meaningless, it inevitably leads to you becoming the jaded villain. It would be better if they had an end where you destroyed the universe shifting thing and were locked in one.
For sure, ill feed your curiosity. Starfield is expanding to the stars, massive choices on where the story goes based on your responses, the capabilities to befriend or antagonize any enemy whether a human, alien, or these strange pirates. You deal with politics, survival, and attempting to save the galaxy while trying to discover the hidden story. If you call that generic, I feel sorry for you.
Your reading comprehension seems to be overlooking the part where I started with ‘i had high hopes for this game.’ The game is far from generic, there isnt one person in this thread that could draft a better story or even come close to a released game.
Wanna talk generic? Every starwars game, like ever. Every call of duty game, like ever.
Yall are funny. Thanks for reminding me to jump back onto Starfield!
LMAO the go to when you are losing ‘are you alright?’
You seem like a basement dweller who freaks out at any disagreement. You are all arguing the word generic without using its definition, while simultaneously overlooking how my hopes were crushed by this game.
I’mma ignore that for now, and we will see how the conversation progresses when you read my other comment. I’d hate to get into one of THESE kinda conversations you are starting by getting into this, but I will definitely disengage with you in particular from your post history.
We talked it out in another comment. I’m a big fan of the game, so I took it way too personally and got over invested in explaining myself.
It was dumb and unproductive. Definitely best to disengage, but the user I was responding to, and I, came to a reasonable agreement about our perspectives in a different thread.
Also this is just an utterly ridiculous way to respond to criticism of a product, no shit an average joe can't make a multi million dollar triple A game, but that doesn't mean he can't dislike it
The opposite can be true as well, a game can flop on your expectations but you can still like it. Youre all just fighting tooth and nail to make ‘generic’ mean something it doesnt.
My man, or woman, sorry if I am wrong on pronouns, feel free to correct me.
I genuinely went to your profile out of a ‘who tf is this mf’, and seeing your most recent post, I genuinely hope you arent struggling with anxiety or depression too bad. Those are mean, ugly things that can weigh you down.
I hope life is treating you well, and on the note of posts, the bread you made looks fucking great. Thats like some genuine top bakery looking bread. I would buy the hell out of that if I saw some that good looking.
We can disagree and fight or troll about the game as much as we want, but I dont want to do or say anything that would genuinely make you feel negatively.
So on that note, fook you, starfield great, me right, you wrong.
We can also disagree if you want, but not in a serious way my man. Mental health is no joke. All the love to you. If they ever come out with starfield 2, I’ll gloat. Until then, I’ll let you trash talk my favorite generic space game.
I can agree it feels generic, but I just wanted to express that, to me, it feels like it WAS a good concept, but they didn’t see it through and it crushed my hopes of what I felt it could be. Nothing more my man. Sorry for the hostility in my writing.
Im definitely a little too passionate about things at times and let it attach to my ego and get worked up. I definitely shouldnt
Hey we can both agree we should do better, thats a beautiful thing. It would be great if we could all get along. I want to scrub mine too, but also I want to leave them as a standing point of letting people see that I wasn’t entirely nice, but that you made me think and change my tone.
“characteristic of or relating to a class or group of things; not specific.”
Ship building alone is very specific, there are very little games that let you truly customize the entirety of the layout on your ship. On top of that, the crazy about of realism that goes into that is insane. Everything can affect something else in that. I’m also a huge fan of the procedural planets, like dozens of them, which what super disappointed me was walking for what felt like daaayyyss across a map.
So again, the concept was great, the execution was not.
Well, I’m celebrating mother’s day today, so I wasn’t going to even have my phone out, but since I am pooping let’s talk ‘mechanics’ LMAO.
So you’re pretending now that mechanics aren’t part of a game’s identity? That’s adorable.
Listen, kiddo, game concepts aren’t just the napkin pitch like ‘space adventure with guns.’
That’s like saying a restaurant concept is just ‘we serve food.’ 💀😂
The execution of those ideas, how deep the systems go, how player agency is handled, the SCOPE of what you can do, is the process of a concept.
Mechanics are the embodiment of concept. Otherwise, every shooter is just ‘point and click,’ and every RPG is just ‘talk and fight.’ You have to look at the HOW, not just the what.
Cheers mate, glad you have a perspective on it. Take care!
For sure, ill feed your curiosity. Starfield is expanding to the stars, massive choices on where the story goes based on your responses, the capabilities to befriend or antagonize any enemy whether a human, alien, or these strange pirates. You deal with politics, survival, and attempting to save the galaxy while trying to discover the hidden story. If you call that generic, I feel sorry for you.
Yeah except you didnt say ship building. You didnt say anything about game mechanics here, this is all marketing jargon that can be interpreted in different ways. Maybe go with mechanics if you’re trying to paint uniqueness instead of regurgitating the back of the pamphlet.
How about we stay within the contexts of our reply chains. You are extremely hurt in the butt about all of this so I can only assume you’re taking each criticism of this game as a personal attack. You should chill.
You went out of your way to reply in the middle of the reply chain, the conversation continued, but you failed to continue reading.
Ive already noted I took it personal, but I’m chilling. You’re freaking out even with every question being answered, you still seem agitated and unable to accept an answer. I hope you are okay.
Alright mate, have a great day. We can DM if you wanna talk about it reasonably, but today I will be preoccupied with my wife celebrating mothers day. I hope you and your family enjoy today and stay safe. So if you do DM me and I dont respond, its nothing personal, I’ll get back to it later in the day or tomorrow. Cheers mate, take care.
massive choices on where the story goes based on your responses,
Really? What massive choices do you make? Hunter or emissary? That just changes the last 20 minutes of the game. Before then, you have no major impact on the plot.
the capabilities to befriend or antagonize any enemy whether a human, alien, or these strange pirates
But you don’t. You can’t befriend the pirates, there arent really any strange aliens, and you can’t antagonize most friends.
You deal with politics, survival,
Do you? There’s some minor “deal with this for me” stuff from the factions, but that’s hardly politics.
And survival isn’t an issue in the game at all, even though you can see the scrapped leftovers from it.
attempting to save the galaxy while trying to discover the hidden story.
The “hidden story” is spelled out and telegraphed in the main questline. It’s not a souls like where you piece it together, they literally tell you to your face
Listen mate, agree to disagree. You are getting into all the points as to why it crushed my hopes, as I have said. Each of those aspects was a great concept, as I have overstated, but the concept fell short, my hopes carried the game farther in my mind than the game could go.
Each topic I pointed out was an area of the game that I felt they could have driven more, but they failed to execute. Then it seemed like there was a glimmer of hope as they were pushing for some major fixes like finally adding a vehicle to travel faster on planets, but again, they fell short and here we are going back and forth like school kiddos arguing about if its the coolest game or not.
Its far from it mate, I agree with all of you but you’re all trying to nitpick each aspect rather than reading my very very first post where I said its a great concept, but it crushed my hopes.
Calling something great is an individual perspective. This is all my perspective, this will be my last response in regards to this topic. Do you have a favorite game that you think is a great concept and great execution? Personally, I don’t, unl3ss we go back to gameboy days.
Yeah you can. That’s literally one of the only major choices you can make; destroy them or join them after going undercover and infiltrating their base.
Sounds like an AI generated blurb and very far from reality, especially as you have almost no choice in anything, exactly zero of them feel meaningful in any way, can’t “antagonize anyone” (yay for essential npcs 😒), aren’t saving the galaxy and the “hidden story” is one of the worst “ITS THE MULTIVERSE LOL” stories I’ve seen.
I don’t have a problem with people who like and enjoy the game, I just don’t understand your reason to say the game is something that it actually is not
The game, in my perspective, is exactly what I said it is. You don’t have to understand it brother, just like I don’t understand yours. I do appreciate your perspective though, you’re free to have it.
“Bethesda game in spaaaaaceee” is more than that, you know it, and it was proven when one of the first costume mods on Nexus was the space suit with a force field boob window tyvm.
Eh, this game was never in the cards for me anyway. I decided years ago to never give Rockstar another dime when they didn't release any single player DLC for GTA5. Fuck that noise.
Wut? We’re mad now about not getting DLC? GTA V was a great game that’s still a blast today. I spent many evenings in front of my PS3 playing the single player for years, never touched GTA: O once and never felt the need to and still believe I got my $60 back in 2013 out of it.
Similar story with RDR 2. Unless GTA 6 is a huge step down from both those games in single-player playability (I’ll wait for reviews obv), I’m not going to lose much sleep over spending $20 more than I spent 13 years ago for the previous game.
If I’m remembering correctly, they had announced single player DLC bit instead just chose to develop more multiplayer stuff since that’s where the big bucks are. I’m busy and don’t have a source right now, but can attempt to find this later and edit as necessary.
GTA V was originally planned to have a number of single-player DLC campaigns akin to the ‘Lost and the Damned’ and ‘Ballad of Gay Tony’ for GTA IV.
This is what people - including me - are bitter about; the immense financial success of GTA:O (namely Shark cards) diverted all resources away from additional single-player content.
I wouldn’t have minded paying for an additional perspective campaign (like GTA IV) or an additional post-campaign chapter heist. GTA V was a complete experience at launch, so additional DLC content would have been welcomed by the community - DLC only becomes problematic when it is clearly part of the core experience, but arbitrarily removed in order to charge more.
Unfortunately, due to having to prioritise shareholder returns - investing resources into anything beyond the most immediately profitable route (ie. online) leaves the board and C-suite open to litigation, because as we should have all learned by now from this series, Capitalism will ultimately ruin everything in search for more and more profits.
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