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xkforce, do gaming w The Last Of Us Part II Actor Says Fans Threatened Her Son

Days since a small subset of the gaming community embarresses the rest with their shitty behavior: 0

Scubus,

I’m not embarrassed. They pull this shit, they’re no longer part of the community.

BillyTheSkidMark,

This will never not be zero

ItsAFake, do gaming w The Last Of Us Part II Actor Says Fans Threatened Her Son

No, not fans, psychopaths threatened the son.

ours,

No, fan is correct. We just forget it stands for “fanatic”.

aeronmelon,

Fan was originally short for fanatic, but language changes over time and now it means someone who likes something or someone. These “people” do not like, they hate. They are not fans, they are fanatics. And even that term feels too kind.

JackGreenEarth,
@JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee avatar

You can’t deny their personhood, just because they’re horrible people.

Carighan,
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

Oh sure they’re people. Otherwise there’d be no legal basis for jailing them and throwing the key away, so that’s an important aspect.

teawrecks,

No one refers to people who despise X as “fans of X” or “fanatics for X”.

Grass,

Goodbye supposedly gradually derped off from ‘god be with you’ and that feels pretty different to me even when used for the same purpose

BruceTwarzen,

You can be both

CluckN,

I feel like articles like this promote more psychopaths. If they know that their threats are working and effecting their target they are going to keep doing it.

ThatWeirdGuy1001,
@ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world avatar

That’s how I feel about right wing terrorism in US politics.

The fact that Democratic runners willingly cave to that kind of pressure not only emboldens these nutjobs but also shows a complete lack of spine.

Carighan, do gaming w The Last Of Us Part II Actor Says Fans Threatened Her Son
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

I just realized it’s Laura Bailey who voiced her! 😮 The Laura Bailey. Jaina Proudmoore! Wow!

There was a time window around 10-15 years ago where it felt like not a single AA-AAA game released where she didn’t have a voice role in. Absolutely legendary talent!

PositiveControl, do gaming w The Last Of Us Part II Actor Says Fans Threatened Her Son

I will never understand being so angry at a fictional work to a point that you feel justified in threatening and harassing the people who are part of it… And also their relative and loved ones!

corvus,
@corvus@lemmy.ml avatar

Amazing but more usual that one might think, it’s the same anger you can see in people that identity themselves with some other fictions like religion, nationalism, football teams, ideology, race, etc. When watching a movie you kind of temporarily turn off your disbelief to experience joy, sadness, anxiety etc but when the movie is over the healthy behavior is the recognition that everything was an acting. But with the fictions that I just described somehow the disbelief is never turned on, the critical thinking is canceled.

kemsat,

Well that’s basically what religion does, so I find it easy to believe

Katana314, do gaming w The Last Of Us Part II Actor Says Fans Threatened Her Son

Who wants to bet how long it takes for someone to post a victim-blaming comment that claims this is an exaggeration to detract from some other anti-consumer behavior of theirs?

FatTony, do gaming w The Last Of Us Part II Actor Says Fans Threatened Her Son

Sounds reasonable. /s

Carighan, do games w NieR 3 Already Exists, But Not For Long
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve got to be honest, that game was so bad, I’d barely call it a game. Atmosphere was nice, but that was about where it stopped.

Chronographs,

I liked the story but to call the gameplay dull would be an exercise in restraint

trashgirlfriend,

Both of the yoko taro gachas were pretty horrid

lorty, do games w NieR 3 Already Exists, But Not For Long
@lorty@lemmy.ml avatar

When are we getting cracked versions of gacha games so we can just do the story?

kick_out_the_jams,

If you read the article, they usually just shut down and disappear.

If you're lucky some dedicated archivist records the story sections before it goes down.

lw6352,

In the past for things like Kingdom Hearts, people have made compilation YouTube videos of the story pieces. I haven’t looked yet - does it exist for this?

trashgirlfriend,

There’s usually story complications out for gacha games because (at least for the better ones) the story tends to be pretty dense

Holyginz, do games w NieR 3 Already Exists, But Not For Long

I dont think there are any series I’m invested in the story enough to play a shitty mobile/gacha game for.

HipsterTenZero, do games w NieR 3 Already Exists, But Not For Long
@HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone avatar

Yoko Taro is a dude who straight up says he’ll do anything if you pay him. I wonder if he’d do like a youtube style lore analysis of Reincarnation if we hit him with a kickstarter.

Immersive_Matthew, do games w GTA 6 is likely to skip PC again and only launching on current gen consoles

I think the bigger issue is that the franchise is stuck in the USA, at the same locations, in the same gangsta American dream plot. I was hoping by they would branch out as there as so many other interesting places outside of the USA that are car focused that are dying to be explored. When I watched the trailer, I felt like I already played this game.

hexabs,

Far Cry covers the impoverished/autocratic nations.

dx1,

Including Montana.

Immersive_Matthew,

I was thinking more Singapore, Tokyo or for something very different like Ho Chi Minh(Saigon) or similar. GTA, but in a radically different type of city not just jungle and villages.

hexabs,

I’d like to suggest Sleeping Dogs 👍

mayonaise_met,

GTA is satire about American society. Because of Hollywood, TV, and English being the lingua franca of the world, this way they can reach a far bigger audience. You couldn’t do exactly the same game set in Helsinki because the world knows far less about Finnish stereotypes. Ninja Edit: Random thought about satirical games set in Finland: My Summer Car is kind of that game.

But they have explored London before. I think the UK would probably the best setting if you would.

Retrograde,
@Retrograde@lemmy.world avatar

I agree, London would be awesome. Anyone ever play The Getaway back on PS2? I genuinely enjoyed that game a lot. GTA but with cockney accents/Guy Richie, the game.

mayonaise_met,

There are plenty of over-the-top British stereotypes they could do that the rest of the world would also appreciate. Royalty, Jacob Rees-Mogg/Boris Johnson style politicians, Brexit craziness, chavs, Geordie Shore, empire nostalgia.

III,

London is the only city from their game history they haven’t revisited. Granted, it is the only real location they have used so likely that is a big reason they never will. But a UK-based game would be awesome.

mayonaise_met,

They probably shouldn’t have named it London in hindsight. But back then of course they probably didn’t know they were going to revisit Liberty City/Vice City/San Andreas a couple of times.

brsrklf, do games w NieR 3 Already Exists, But Not For Long

f you’re a fan of Taro’s saga,

Kinda

then you owe it to yourself to play Reincarnation before the shutdown occurs.

A mobile gacha game? Nope.

didnt_readit, do games w NieR 3 Already Exists, But Not For Long

“Reincarnation has all the expected hallmarks of a gacha game”

Oh no!! So anyway…

terminhell, do gaming w According to Kotaku: 25 Days Into 2024 And 5,800+ Video Game Layoffs Have Been Announced

BG3 came in like a wrecking ball. Sucks for all the actual devs though.

Zworf,

Baldur’s Gate 3? What does that have to do with it? I don’t really understand :)

terminhell,

How much good attention it’s gotten. No microtransactions, season passes etc. It’s called a ton of attention to all the AAA enshitification since it’s released.

So, I’d imagine those studios are scrambling to shift gears.

Zworf,

Ah ok I understand. Thanks! I didn’t realise that, the fantasy genre isn’t really for me so I hadn’t followed much of the news.

shiveyarbles, do gaming w According to Kotaku: 25 Days Into 2024 And 5,800+ Video Game Layoffs Have Been Announced

God I hope we don’t go through a phase of crappy games designed and developed using AI.

Kir,
@Kir@feddit.it avatar

Oh we are, I’m afraid.

squirrel,
@squirrel@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I wonder if 2023 will go down as one of the last good years for gaming (and even that only works if you ignore all the layoffs that already happened).

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

Nah. I remain hopeful that this is a market correction against live service investment. Devs will be hurt in the interim, but think about how something like Redfall happened. The suits said they had to make a live service game at Arkane. Arkane devs had no passion for that. 70% of the studio left, leaving Redfall's development to inexperienced new hires that replaced them, and they essentially set those development funds on fire making that game that no one wanted to spend money on. Sega made Hyenas for $70M, their most expensive project to date, and decided it was better to just not release it than to continue to run infrastructure to enable it. A similar story to Hyenas over at Sony, where they cut their live service portfolio down from 12 games to 6, seeing that the well had run dry. There have been a lot of these bets made, and they've been big bets, with the assumption that they'd see all the success that their predecessors in live service games had, without realizing that there aren't enough customers out there for you to be lucky enough to capture that success from when they're busy playing other games.

So what do all of these devs make instead? Video games that people actually want to play and spend money on, that can be made with budgets they can afford.

squirrel,
@squirrel@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Sure, the death of the live service hype plays a role, too, but in my view it is mostly due to the gravy train of cheap money coming to a halt: Lots of companies are scaling back because they had funded themselves with loans while laundering profits through tax havens. Gaming companies are not much different from tech companies and media companies in this regard. Those are also in hot water ATM and fire people in order to stabilize their cash flow.

At the end of the day, gaming companies are going to invest far less in the future. Games such as “Spider-Man 2” and other AAA titles with exorbitant budgets will become rare. This has been a trend for years.

Thus I am rather certain that 2023 was one of the last years where we have seen a strong line-up of high quality, high budget titles alongside indie success stories.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

It has been a trend that we see fewer AAA games per year, for a very long time. I think that can easily stabilize at a number of AAA games similar to what we saw last year, when we stop designing games that take up infinite time to play. Likewise, a great year for games doesn't mean that so many of them are concentrated in the AAA space. Hollow Knight Silksong, Mina the Hollower, and Penny's Big Breakaway could, potentially, all be some of the best games we've ever played, and not one of them will have come close to a $100M budget. (I don't think this year will top last year, but my point is that it doesn't require massive budgets to do so.)

LoamImprovement,

There’s also the AA scene to consider. Nacon did a fantastic job with the RoboCop game - it doesn’t break any new ground, but it’s a simple, solid game that captures the tone of the RoboCop franchise well.

t3rmit3,

Nah, video games are and will always be at their best when a small team is bringing a new and unique, or a fresh and refined, perspective on something.

Rimworld, Kenshi, Stardew Valley, Grim Dawn, Project Zomboid, Palworld… none of those needed big budgets and large parent companies. My Steam wishlist has over 100 games on it currently, and maybe 5 of those are AAA titles. There’s plenty of great stuff still coming.

rwhitisissle,

Gaming, like all software development, becomes plagued by popularized anti-patterns every so often. Remember back in like 2010 and every. single. fucking. game. had unskippable, frustratingly difficult, often instantly fatal should you fail them, quicktime events? Because I fucking remember. And now those are nowhere, because they’re terrible. And, yes, the use of AI is not a game design pattern so much as it is a development tool that will be used to fastforward development and decrease costs around, presumably, asset generation, but to some extent that was always going to happen. Any time a tool comes about that fundamentally reduces human labor, it always sees widespread adoption. Eventually it’ll be industry standard, and it’ll be…fine. It’ll suck for people with aspirations around graphic design and 3D modeling, but those are just the first places there will be cuts. Eventually you’ll have the physics engines, game systems, state management, etc. and other core components of game design automated via AI processes, which will kill a shitload of dev jobs. And eventually the people who make these AI game engines will, instead of selling to a studio who will parameterize the AI with prompts, will automate the prompting process with AI itself, so instead of selling to studios, they’ll just have an AI service that will take your description for a game that you want, run it through a bunch of canned AI subroutines and it’ll crap out a boutique game of your design that they technically own and have full copyright over and which is just incredibly derivative of a ton of other IP - imagine every single game being Palworld, “like X crossed with Y with a bit of A and B thrown in.” That’s right: eventually the end user will design the games themselves. A world in which you never have to consume any game, or probably eventually any media of any kind, beyond the one you already liked and wanted. You’ll never have to be challenged more than you would like or experiment with different forms of media. It’ll be a brave new world, filled with brave new games.

millie,

Cyberpunk is literally full of what amount to dialogue based quicktime events.

davehtaylor,

Yeah, finding fucking timed dialogue events made me wanna chuck the disc out the damned window

Here’s two wildly different dialog options, that might have vastly different consequences. You have three seconds to decide. Fuck that shit.

darkkite,

i didn’t think it was a big problem but i could see how some people are slower to react and pressure gets to them

but i also think it’s weird when npcs wait forever for player input. but we’re not there yet

Zworf, (edited )

Well, for some realism I do understand you can’t think forever. Imagine someone asking you a question and you stay frozen for 1 minute. That would be weird 🤭

But the time in CyberPunk 2077 is too short yes.

PS: I wish I could reload my save game in real life 😂

Iapar,

You should try roleplaying.

rwhitisissle,

Yeah, and people fucking hate it. It’s a blemish on an otherwise okay game.

MantidSys,
@MantidSys@kbin.social avatar

Maybe. But multiplayer games exist. And people have a very high standard for what population a game must have for it to be worth playing. People will consolidate into singular pre-made titles, compromising on their desires like they do now, in order to have many other humans to play with.

Maybe AI can be convincing NPCs eventually, but people will want to play games with their friends. They'll find out eventually if another character is an NPC or human, and they will care.

Even singleplayer games will be subject to this, to a degree. People enjoy playing what their friends play - they like having the same experiences, they like having something in common to discuss, they like the shared experience that brings a sense of community to the fans of a single title or series.

Sure, people could make any game they desire, but it will be isolating. You're underselling the social desires and needs we all have. Maybe we'll end up with something similar to Garry's Mod and Roblox: connected gaming hubs where people can load up any number of experiences - but still being able to include their friends somehow. I think that is much more likely than the concept of a person sitting in the corner of a room with their VR headset, wilting away in a world of their own creation, having lost all connections that would otherwise surround them. Humans naturally fight against that. We'll experience things we're not familiar with, as long as we're experiencing them with other people.

Zworf,

Yeah like the clip shows in the 80/90s TV series. Yuck.

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