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Nacktmull, do games w China announced new laws to limit microtransactions, affecting major corporations like Tencent.
@Nacktmull@lemmy.world avatar

Well done, I hope other countries will follow.

Nephalis, do games w China announced new laws to limit microtransactions, affecting major corporations like Tencent.

Do you all expect localization is tied to laws for china? I realy don’t think so. Most games are split into global and asia/chinese versions anyway. Why should they remove these mechanics when it isn’t necessary for the market they operate in?

echo64,

The thought process is that for many games, the majority of their revenue comes from these mechanics and from China. The games themselves will need to change to get revenue flowing. And new games won’t be made with this revenue source in general.

This is similar to how eu regulations can lead to global changes sometimes, China is a big enough market to affect things globally.

yamanii,
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Yep, I’m not in the EU but thanks to the GDPR I still see the cookies thing on almost every website I go, sometimes these things have a good ripple effect.

Stovetop, do games w China announced new laws to limit microtransactions, affecting major corporations like Tencent.

I haven’t had a look at the original text from China, but wondering how much they accounted for. Any of these rules could be easily circumvented if they didn’t account for multiple scenarios.

Rewards for spending money within a game for the first time

“We don’t have a reward for spending money for the first time, but everyone does have a digital coupon for $5 off of their first $10 purchase when they make an account.”

Rewards for buying consecutive microtransactions

“The players don’t get any extras when they buy more of our digital currency, but every gacha pull does make the next 5 pulls a bit cheaper.”

Rewards for daily log-ins.

“No, we’re not giving rewards for daily log-ins, but players can buy this bonus that adds a gift-giving NPC to the main town for 30 days, who will trade a small parcel of premium currency for a single gold coin once per day.”

lolcatnip, (edited )

How do Chinese judges react to transparent attempts to circumvent laws that have the same effect as just breaking the law? I wouldn’t expect them to fall for the “I’m not touching you” defense.

ByGourou,

This is China, their CEO will misteriously disappear if they try something so obvious.

yamanii,
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I guess we just shouldn’t make any law about anything since people can go “well akshually” about it. /s

Stovetop,

That’s not what I’m saying. I was just hoping this law has teeth, because companies who are greedy for money will always try to circumvent whatever new restrictions are sent their way.

I’m thinking back to earlier policies set by China like the restrictions against showing undead/human remains in video games. World of Warcraft set up all these euphemistic workarounds to circumvent the law while realistically changing as little as possible, basically defeating the purpose of it.

China outlawed loot boxes, but then season passes and gatcha models were implemented in short order to continue exploiting consumers. If the law doesn’t account for all sorts of scenarios that can be abused, it’s just going to be a game of cat and mouse.

redcalcium,

Well, it’s China. How the commerce law affect you will depend heavily on who you know in the government and the party. If the new law is heavily pushed by someone important, they probably won’t turn a blind eye for minor technicality. Someone up high probably got mad with their kids getting addicted with microtransactions and want to neuter it. Once that person lost interest or no longer in power, the enforcement will probably become much lenient.

CosmicCleric,
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World of Warcraft set up all these euphemistic workarounds to circumvent the law while realistically changing as little as possible, basically defeating the purpose of it.

The only one I’m aware of is China’s cultural distaste for showing bones, so Blizzard had to hide the skeletal structure in the Undead player class. In other words, it wasn’t about the undead, it was only about showing bones.

What else did they do?

kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E, do games w China announced new laws to limit microtransactions, affecting major corporations like Tencent.
yamanii, do games w China announced new laws to limit microtransactions, affecting major corporations like Tencent.
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If there’s a behavior psychologist/researcher involved in the creation of a product, it’s evil, simple as. Those gacha games absolutely use them.

Dark_Arc,
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I think you could go two ways with that. The psychologist could be under a mandate to give feedback to ensure your game is not going to be an addiction or they could be under a mandate to make it as addictive as possible. The latter is way more likely but I wouldn’t totally rule out the value add of any psychologist to any game.

filister, do games w China announced new laws to limit microtransactions, affecting major corporations like Tencent.

Didn’t China also recently introduce a limit of hours adolescents can game?

The world would be a better place without those transactions in my opinion. It might sound extreme but in my view this is the first step towards gambling addiction.

We as humanity are becoming really obsessed with everything digital instead of spending more time physically interacting with our peers. And unfortunately I am no exception.

bionicjoey,

Part of the problem is that there’s no incentive for game companies to ensure that players are of an appropriate age and are gambling responsibly. It’s a Pandora’s box of capitalism in the same way fossil fuels, cigarettes, and big pharma are. Their customers have a demand for their product which is driven by a physiological/psychological/socioeconomic need, so they aren’t subject to normal market mechanics.

EssentialCoffee,

In 2019, it was limited to 90 minutes on weekdays and not between the hours of 10 pm to 8 am.

In 2021, it was changed to 1 hour per day, only on Fridays, weekends, and public holidays.

Konraddo,

Not recently, but yes.

Also, there’s regulation to disclose the probability in getting rewards from opening “chests”, which is actually gambling in nature.

ahriboy, do games w China announced new laws to limit microtransactions, affecting major corporations like Tencent.
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The S$20000 ($15000) Genshin Impact buying spree incident in Singapore had indirectly contributed to proposed legislation.

derpgon,

The what?

ahriboy,
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A lot of games are starting to display warnings to spend wisely when purchasing premium currency.

Cybersteel,
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Which part of china is Singapore in?

Alsephina, do games w China announced new laws to limit microtransactions, affecting major corporations like Tencent.

China being based as always

TangledHyphae,

“As always” is pretty strong, even in this context.

Alsephina,

It’s a bit of a hyperbole of course. But China is generally much better at regulating corporations like this.

Cybersteel,
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That’s what absolute power gets you. Zero checks and balance from the legislative, executive, and judicial system.

AmosBurton_ThatGuy,
@AmosBurton_ThatGuy@lemmy.ca avatar

Fuck china, the CCP, and Xinnie the pooh.

Fuck anyone that supports china, including you.

Xanis,

You are allowed to completely disagree with leadership and goverment policies and actions and still agree with reasonable restrictions and laws. Course I haven’t looked into this so it could very well go way too far.

AmosBurton_ThatGuy,
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Nope fuck china and their government. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, doesn’t mean you should expect it and support it.

Fuck china and fuck everyone that supports the CCP.

Alsephina, (edited )

Damn this ‘broken clock’ is strangely good at being right. With their CO2 emmissions plateuing last month and even starting to fall while targeting zero emissions by 2060, them spearheading cleaner energy this month with the first 4th gen nuclear reactor, and boosting trans rights with a court ruling just last week.

And of course the current new regulation in this post happening right now.

AmosBurton_ThatGuy,
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Ffs only on lemmy can you get shit on for telling ccp supporters to fuck off, china and russia are just barely worse than the states(also fuck america) for most corrupt shithole countries.

Fuck china and and fuck you, you tankie piece of garbage. Go back to weibo or hexbear where you belong you piece of shit.

Alsephina,

Lmao I love seeing libs lose their minds when corporations aren’t there to censor everything for them. Cope harder

Xanis,

I don’t care for ol Winnie and his Thousand Acre Ego, and hate many things China has done. In far too many ways they are backwards, explicitly destructive, and often refuse to negotiate.

However, and likely due to the overreach of government there, they certainly can and do make decisions I can at least agree with. If it wasn’t for the general conniving and “fuck you, I prefer one-way streets” way of essentially absolute control, I’d argue they were the good guys. Problem is we know better. The world isn’t that simple.

I just wish it was.

We’d be so much further along as a race if we could work together.

Alsephina,

Ah, the redditor China Bad^TM^ mindset. Love it

notannpc, do games w China announced new laws to limit microtransactions, affecting major corporations like Tencent.

Limiting micro transactions and banning predatory reward schemes in video games is genuinely a good thing. We need this to spread around the world.

kaffiene, do games w China announced new laws to limit microtransactions, affecting major corporations like Tencent.

Good. These kinds of transactions are exploitative and prey in the weaknesses of people with addictive personalities

Tier1BuildABear, do games w China announced new laws to limit microtransactions, affecting major corporations like Tencent.
@Tier1BuildABear@lemmy.world avatar

It’d be nice to see that come to rocket League. You know, the game where they removed crates because of the gambling, then removed trading to get kids to spend more money in the shop. So much better :/

BaardFigur, do games w China announced new laws to limit microtransactions, affecting major corporations like Tencent.

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  • Zeroc00l,

    Just to add to your profound insight, water is probably wet.

    Resol, do games w China announced new laws to limit microtransactions, affecting major corporations like Tencent.
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    The Chinese government actually does something right for once? My year is saved.

    Cybersteel,
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    A broken is right sometimss

    xan1242, do gaming w Square Enix Announces Shutdown of Two Mobile Games, One Less Than a Year After Release
    @xan1242@lemmy.ml avatar

    Yu-Gi-Oh Cross Duel suffered the same fate. Dead not one year after release.

    Now it’s in the hands of a custom server, barely usable thanks to DRM that was hard to bypass.

    fckreddit, do gaming w Square Enix Announces Shutdown of Two Mobile Games, One Less Than a Year After Release

    Hey Square Enix, I am sure if you try again, you might succeed.

    cordlesslamp,

    What do you think was the problems? Not enough micro-transactions?

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