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NotSteve_, do games w Smurfing is Not Welcome in Dota

How exactly does smurfing work? I don’t play Dota and the description on the page doesn’t really help me understand

Amir,
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You’re an experienced player but create a new account to get matched against noobs. Since the game is free, there’s no cost to doing so.

NotSteve_,

Ahh thanks, that does sound really shitty to do.

Azzu,

In dota, there is a cost: you have to play 100 hours of unranked before you can play ranked. Honestly, because of this, while smurfing obviously still happens rarely, I don’t think I’ve seen any smurfs in my last 50 games of ranked, which is at least 30 hours of gameplay. I would assume you see more smurfs in unranked games, but since I’m not playing those, I don’t see them.

xNIBx,

You still need a valid phone number to play ranked games, so there is some limitation.

simple,

Well yeah, but you can get a verification number for less than half a dollar usually if you know where to look.

Zefjor,

Basically someone with a high matchmaking rating creates a brand new Steam account and installs the game, pretending to be a new player. They then proceed to stomp on the actual new players and just be generally as toxic as possible. After all, if that account gets banned, they can always make a new one.

CarbonIceDragon,
@CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social avatar

Does this effectively mean that making a new account for any other reason is effectively against the rules in these kinds of game, because you’d start at the bottom rank, or is there some way of telling between an experienced player just making an alt or new account, and one specifically doing it for facing low ranked players?

meant2live218,

If you play on a separate account specifically to play in a different skill range, then that would be smurfing. But if you play through the calibration games on that account to your best ability, then it should place you roughly where your other account would be within a handful of games.

Chee_Koala,

Smurfing is knowingly and deliberately playing at the incorrect skill-level/mmr/elo. Most times, people will create or buy a separate account that somehow has a lower mmr/elo attached to it, to do this. You can ‘play bad’ or ‘throw the game’ for 50 games in a row and your rating will tank a lot, so that’s a bummer to encounter as your new teammate randomly… Then this player can win a lot of games in a row playing as ‘themselves’ and completely stomp games all the way back to their ‘true’ mmr. Does that help explain it?

NotSteve_,

Yep I understand now! Thanks for the explanation. I don’t get how that’d be fun unless the person just enjoys being an asshole…

ExpensiveConstant,

Smurfing is when a player has a secondary account so they can play against/with lower ranked players. Imagine a chess grand master putting on a disguise and going to a beginners chess tournament

lorkano,

On chess.com smurfing is actually not permitted, but chess grandmaster can play on special accounts to do fun challenges and all of the elo is refunded to the players that they beat.

Clbull,

Smurfing is when you play Ranked ladder on an alt-account in a much lower skill bracket with the intention to curb stomp lesser-skilled players.

It’s a very big issue in any competitive multiplayer game, especially direct competitors of DOTA 2 like League of Legends and SMITE. Valve may just be the first company to start actively banning smurfs.

xep, do games w Smurfing is Not Welcome in Dota

This seems like a reasonable approach but the smurfs have already ruined all the games prior to being banned. I wonder how difficult it is to prevent smurfing altogether? Doesn't seem like it'd be easy at all.

Clbull,

For Korea and China, probably quite easy.

Both regions require you to register for the game using a residential ID due to strict internet laws in those regions. China’s are so notoriously strict that the kind of toxic degeneracy you’d see on the European or North American servers would probably nuke your social credit score or land you in prison if you tried to pull it there.

As for the West, the only companies from my experience that genuinely ask for personal details beyond a username, email address and password are those that host shoddy Korean MMO’s and have notoriously bad internet security. Valve have tried to address smurfing in the past by requiring accounts to register phone numbers before they can play Ranked, but this can easily be bypassed with cheap burner phones and other services.

slumberlust,

China’s are so notoriously strict that the kind of toxic degeneracy you’d see on the European or North American servers would probably nuke your social credit score or land you in prison if you tried to pull it there.

Got any resources to back this up? I have a hard time imagining a culture where cheating is the norm alongside one that ruins your life if caught cheating. One of these things can’t be true.

Clbull,

Doesn’t China literally have a social credit score system?

WorldieBoi,

maybe ban the main account for a period? like first offense, 1 month

Its_Always_420, do games w Smurfing is Not Welcome in Dota
@Its_Always_420@lemmy.world avatar

That’s terrible! We have to tell Papa Smurf, Gargamel must be behind this!

FinalBoy1975,

Your comment is really smurfy! I was just thinking, “This type of account should be called a Gargamel account, not a Smurf account. Smurfs are nice. Gargamel is the bad one.”

Fizz, do games w Smurfing is Not Welcome in Dota
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This is such a great change. I wish league of legends would do the same. In lol it feels like more players have smurf accounts than not. Smurfs contribute nothing to the games and only ruin the experience for the other 9 players.

SpicyTofuSoup,

Playing in plat / emerald elo feels like each game is a complete landslide in favor of one team. I wonder if banning Smurf accounts would fix this issue and make games more fun

Eheran, do games w Smurfing is Not Welcome in Dota, Valve bans 90k smurf accounts

No shit, stomping players of lower ELO is not cool?

DrQuint,

You’d be surprised at how hard people will circumvent that logic

Some people literally don’t even believe themselves after admitting to smurf. Eg: old.reddit.com/r/DotA2/…/i_got_vac_smurfing_ban/

Eheran,

People are shit.

RxBrad, do games w Smurfing is Not Welcome in Dota, Valve bans 90k smurf accounts
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One of the biggest reasons I stopped playing Overwatch on PlayStation a few years ago.

Smurfing is out of control there (unlimited free accounts), and most matches down where I lived in Gold were determined by which team had more Masters players on their team.

WarmSoda, do games w Smurfing is Not Welcome in Dota

Wish they did this in Rocket League. I stopped playing because of all the smurfs. Shits annoying.

rich, do games w Smurfing is Not Welcome in Dota

Look, I’m all about fairness…but why prevent people from colouring themselves blue and adding a white flappy hat?

arefx, do games w Smurfing is Not Welcome in Dota, Valve bans 90k smurf accounts

I stopped playing dota 3 years ago and my quality of life has greatly improved.

AngrilyEatingMuffins,

Same

Lichtblitz, do games w Smurfing is Not Welcome in Dota, Valve bans 90k smurf accounts

Too little, too late. This has been ignored for far too long.

agedbeef, do games w Dota 2 - The Summer Client Update

The real time chat abuse reporting is pretty interesting. Hopefully it’s tuned well and you can’t get griefed by it.

_spiffy, do games w Dota 2 - The Summer Client Update
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Lots of great changes. I don’t play much Dota anymore but I’m glad it still gets big updates like this

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