Yea just set up a windows 11 pc for the first time and the experience was basically:
It forces you into making a Microsoft account or log in with one, then it told me mine was locked even though I was able to log in fine elsewhere. I had to use the alternate log in method to get in (I know you can make a local account but I already had one set up for this).
Then it tries to force you to “back up from your old pc” which this was an entirely different system so I’m not even sure why I would want that.
Then it tries to convince you to send them a bunch of telemetry while reminding you that you’ll still get ads if you don’t, they just won’t be targeted towards you.
Then it tries to push microsoft office on you.
Then it needs to do updates which took like 45 minutes.
Then you’re finally at the desktop where you get probably half a dozen othe pop ups between windows and the vendor.
Then it’s “usable”
By comparison Bazzite took like 20 minutes to get to a usable desktop and isn’t nagging me about ads at all. I have a laundry list of things still to figure out but so far way less annoying.
There is a workaround for installing win 11 with local account, it’s still horseshit
the fact that they think that just because they still show ads it’s ok in any way shape or form to collect any personal information is insane
don’t forget they are also trying to screen record 24/7 and then store it in the cloud (yes they store it “locally” in you appdata, that they then decided to sync with OneDrive)
Yea, I had a throwaway account already to use for the login so I didn’t bother trying it. They still managed to make it annoying even when I did it their way and agreed it is horseshit.
Agreed.
I DID forget about that. Thanks for reminding me I need to figure out how to opt out (assuming it’s even possible).
It’s tricky because I have things that just don’t translate well to linux, or become considerably more expensive or time consuming to manage / deal with. Linux has a lot to offer and a lot of great. But I’m just going to keep running an out of date OS until I can switch.
I don’t want to get into a big debate on it so if you are just curious and have a couple suggestions I’m down to talk about it. But I’m tired of people telling me that my reasoning isn’t good enough for them. Like, great, thanks, glad you can be happy with it, but we aren’t the same person. So I’d prefer to avoid any conversation where I’m just told to suck it up and deal with something. I am working on finding alternatives but all the ones I’ve come across so far are coming up short in a way that’s non negotiable.
My biggest one is my O365 bundle with office apps, oneNote, and OneDrive.
I am going to be trying out libreoffice and OpenOffice this year to see if I can replace word and excel. Last time I tried they weren’t there for me.
OneNote is my second most vital. I’m looking at Notesnook at the moment but I’m really not enthused by a monthly price or the idea of self-hosting in a docker container. I’ve hated most note apps and OneNote was the only one I’ve clicked with so far. I refuse to touch markdown so that kills a lot of them. I’m taking notes with minor edits, and I refuse to add markdown to the process just to do that. I also will not be ok with a webapp. I don’t like webapps in general.
OneDrive is probably my most vital. I have 1TB for me and 1TB each for 5 family accounts. So 6TB total. And I definitely use the space. On top of that I rely heavily on its integration to the file explorer and the mfa locked personal vault section. I don’t want to deal with a web interface or separate app, outside of an authentication hook for the vault, just to access storage.
Outside of the 365 bundle, it’s mostly running dedicated game servers that have no Linux option. And that’s it I believe. Certainly the most impactful applications. I think most other things I run, I can find acceptable alternatives to or can run in wine or something similar without major issue.
I wasn’t going to berate you or anything. I was genuinely curious.
I am going to be trying out libreoffice and OpenOffice
LibreOffice is great. I use it on my work system at a medium to larger sized company (every single other person uses o365). I haven’t heard anyone complain yet about doc comparability and I haven’t had any issues myself.
Stay away from OpenOffice. It’s practically a dead product. When Oracle bought OpenOffice, the community forked the project which became LibreOffice. LibreOffice is where all the development and community focus and effort has gone since.
OneNote is my second most vital
I don’t have any recommendations here. I’ve never really found a “perfect” solution for this. Currently I use a few different solutions, but it’s all centred around markdown, so they’re all interchangeable.
OneDrive is probably my most vital.
I personally wouldn’t touch OneDrive with a hundred meter pole. MS does so much screwing around with your data that you can never be sure if the data stored is what you uploaded. They’ve been known to just up and delete files they scan and think is malicious, even if it’s a false positive. Then they’re known to scan all your documents for everything, including potential passwords, then use those passwords to open password-protected files and then scan them also.
Then there’s the situation from a year or so ago where they automatically switched everyone’s documents folder to a “cloud first” folder, where they just auto-uploaded everyone’s local files, deleted the local copies, and did it all without user consent or even informing users. And this resulted in all kinds of wild crap like people not having access to their documents because they were offline and were expecting local files. Then some people had their metered data connection getting maxed out. While others couldn’t even modify their files or even save a file to their “My Documents” folder because the default storage allocation was far less than the total data of their local files. So effectively the data was held for ransom.
it’s mostly running dedicated game servers that have no Linux option.
Most newer games that you can run your own dedicated server will almost certainly have a Linux option, which suggests you might taking about older games, in which case something like Lutris (Wine) might be an option.
But are you hosting these game servers on your desktop?
Yeah I know OneDrive is a bad option anymore. I’m definitely looking for options there but nothing is coming close so far. Hardest part is space but each requirement presents an issue.
Thanks for telling me about openoffice, looking at things i think i meamt Only Office. Any opinions there? I’m not keen on the AI push but it also seems optional. Thanks for the positive endorsement for Libre being compatible in an office setting. Looks like they have a good dark mode too which I’m very happy about. I love having a black background to write against and has stopped me from adopting things in the past. I can’t do white backed apps anymore. They hurt lol
The hosting is on my old desktop which is running server 2016. I’d like to replace the OS on it too. I don’t keep the box online so I’m not keen on using it for anything other than game servers.
Appreciate you not going aggro on me over it. Lots of times I mention not being quite there for migrating it gets into this really aggravating back and forth where someone aggressively pushes Linux at me and doesn’t like that I’m not instantly on board or that I have reasons they don’t like. 🙄
looking at things i think i meamt Only Office. Any opinions there?
If I remember correctly, Only Office uses LibreOffice as its core and then adds or changes default stuff. I might be wrong about that. But ultimately I hear positive things about Only Office.
The hosting is on my old desktop which is running server 2016. I’d like to replace the OS on it too. I don’t keep the box online so I’m not keen on using it for anything other than game servers.
Sounds like a perfect situation for loading something like Proxmox and then visualizing the Windows Server 2016 instance. You would basically have the exact same functionality but with way more options like cloning and backing up the server.
Appreciate you not going aggro on me over it.
No worries at all. I think the automatic defensiveness from Linux people comes from old misconceptions being repeated often. Or sometimes it comes from how something is read and interpreted. Someone might say “I can’t switch because I need XYZ”, to which a very literal response is “you can use ABC which does the same thing, so you can switch”. When what the first person meant is "I can’t switch because IpreferXYZ", which is a completely valid reason.
Right on, I’ll have to check out proxmox, i don’t have any experience with it yet. That’d be dope to switch at least one computer over to something linix based.
I run Linux on a small mini pc for some casual browsing.
I run windows on my main pc.
As long as some kernel anticheat (fortnite, cod, etc…) doesn’t run on Linux, I won’t be swapping.
30+y of windows use also makes me infinitely more comfortable with windows. All the complaints I always read about are totally moot for me (I understand the issue of privacy in windows. It’s the price I pay to have an OS that “just works” for me) .
While I enjoy tinkering, Linux is a royal PITA to use if you’re not used to it. I spend hours trying to figure out how to fix something that takes me 5m max in windows. I understand it’s a more a me than a Linux problem. But I’m certain many people struggle with the same things.
Maybe the last time you tried Linux was 30 years ago, but Linux compared to Windows just works.
If it takes you HOURS to find a fix to something that takes you literally 5 minutes on Windows, you are doing something wrong. Your research methods are flawed.
Some of my friends still use Windows, fixing their problems takes me half an hour to find a solution, while on Linux, I just open the terminal and insert one command. Last time that happened it was about a VPN kill switch. So the person had a VPN App installed on Windows with a kill switch enabled. Then they uninstalled the VPN application and the kill switch was still there.
How do you remove the kill switch? On Linux it’s ‘nmcli c ‘killSwitchName’ del’ on Windows it’s a journey to a new adventure.
For how I use my pc, everything just works. To give you a counter argument. My logitech devices just work out of the box on windows. For Linux I had to get a little specific tool. Also try installing Japanese language input on Linux. Compare how much simpler it is on windows. Linux is NOT simpler than windows in all situations. Maybe your own research methods are flawed?
I game, manage my NAS (truenas running jellyfish for media etc) , sail the high seas, and browse on my pc. I also remote into a small spare mini pc running Ubuntu server with a minecraft server on it. (Could’ve ran the server on windows, but wanted to tinker with Linux to learn)
It all works flawless.
Also, give me a Linux alternative for parsec that just works as well for remote gaming, both from other desktop devices as from a mobile devices.
The Ship. It’s normally supposed to be a social deduction game, but some friends and I all get together in a private server and basically just play deathmatch. It’s hilarious because most of fhe weapons are really hard to kill with and you still have to be sneaky because if you get caught, you go to jail (which is also full of shanks). It always leads to some great chaos, especially with more people.
I left Windows ~2-3 years ago since I got tired of having to keep up with ways to disable the MS account requirements or disable the ads every time there is a major version upgrade on a platform I use every day.
I was part of some exploration guilds in World of Warcraft with the aim to explore every inch of the Azeroth, get beyond every instance border and just climb hard terrain even if there was an easier way up.
Warframe has some of the best movement in a game ever. Not exactly an MMORPG, not exactly Open World, but definitely space ninjas on crack.
Also, it can be played completely free. There is a paid currency model (platinum), but it’s tradeable between players (so you can trade items and earn Platinum), and most non-cosmetic items are obtainable through gameplay.
It’s been around since the early 2010s but keeps evolving and manages outperform AAA titles on the regular. If you like high fantasy sci-fi cosmic horror madness on drugs that won’t be invented for another 100 centuries or so, give it a shot.
There’s so much I want to like about Warframe, but last time I tried it I couldn’t get any sense of what a new player’s supposed to do to start progressing, or to get the story in a comprehensible way. The build timers also made me sad. I got all the parts, just give me the Rhino.
Still though, “We All Lift Together” is a certified banger.
Fair point. I’ve played it on and off for years now, and I still have no fucking clue where the game wants me to go (although it’s a lot better now than it used to be). The storyline is… complex to say the least, and the game doesn’t do much to drive you an particular direction. Progression is also lateral, not vertical, so while you have a wide variety of options and directions to explore, they can be shallow and overwhelming at the same time.
On the plus side of that, every time I come back, it’s like a new game, but with the same combat / movement that got me addicted back when it was nothing but grind.
Warframe has been making updates to the new player experience the last couple updates. Removing annoying grinds for things, changing things so new players are on more equal footing.
As for direction, I’ll tell you what I wish I knew when I started.
Do the main storyline quests, they eventually unlock really cool rewards or weekly rewards opportunities that give all sorts of goodies. Some main story quests, are locked behind reaching certain planets on the star chart.
Complete the star chart, at your own pace. Getting to new planets is always good. By that I mean do every mission on a planet at least once. It will unlock the Steel Path, which is all the same shit with more and tougher enemies. Yay bigger horder! But the real reason to play it is steel path has double drop rates for resources and mods, so less grind.
Focus on fun. Don’t overally focus on that next weapon or upgrade. It will still be there. Focus on the mission types you like. Grind at your own pace. If you a grind is really getting you down, go do something else. There is so much to do!
Understand the weird mastery system. Its a weird system at first. Basically, when you level up a weapon it doesn’t get better. It gets more upgrade capacity. You will need to go in and put in mods or upgrades to make the weapon more pew pew. There is more to the mastery system too but that is enough for now.
Trade shit on warframe.market. you can make so much plat to buy the stuff you want. I’m too the point where I mainly trade to buy cosmetic upgrades to look cool!
Also came to suggest Warframe, but u beat me to it :D yeah it’s slow to get going… but that’s the cool thing about it. You can drop it when it gets tedious and come back when you feel like it. Imho the long crafting times are good, it means you have to come back in 3 days and have something to look forward to. And instant gratification can get boring, so I really like the pacing.
Looks like some of the biggest changes the series has ever seen. I’m excited for it, but like many others, not excited enough for the price they are asking right now.
Lol! I’m not a Nintendo shill. I rarely play Nintendo. Priorities change in life and that means sometimes changing up how you do things. The Switch 2 fits into my family picture.
It just sounds like you’re a broke little boy that can’t afford to play video games anymore. You could always save for a few months. Maybe find a better job that pays more? Be better professionally.
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