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Lyra_Lycan, do gaming w Honestly, it confused me at like 20

You only get to know if you’ve looked at the game manuals of old, and seen them annotated. I still refer to them as left/right stick in

cRazi_man,
@cRazi_man@europe.pub avatar

Oh yeah, push that stick right in.

victorz,

Giggety

Ziglin,

Don’t they have it the manual for the console too?

I’ve also seen the input symbol showing a stick being pressed down sometimes.

JovialSodium, do gaming w Honestly, it confused me at like 20

7 year old me also didn’t know about the L3 and R3 buttons. But this was the controller I had at the time so perhaps reasonable.

https://lemmy.sdf.org/pictrs/image/ffb49031-fc72-4677-98b5-ebac9ba6b141.png

SidewaysHighways,

big if true

wreckedcarzz,
@wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

It’s actually quite small

lunarul,
dubyakay,
bampop,
@bampop@lemmy.world avatar

Hell yeah. A damn fine joystick, until the leaf switches break

Atherel,

They broke on WinterGames…

VoteNixon2016,

Unironically, the NES controller and game boy advance controls are still some of my favorites

samus12345,
@samus12345@sh.itjust.works avatar

These were mine:

https://atariage.com/5200/images/controllers/con_Atari5200.jpg https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/WmIAAOSw2EFmKoXr/s-l400.png

The controller that came with the Atari 5200 was complete ass. That third-party one was much, much better.

ShinkanTrain, do gaming w Honestly, it confused me at like 20

The only time a quick-time event was ever good is when God of War 3 made you press those

buycurious,

Poseidon in shambles

Apeman42, do gaming w Honestly, it confused me at like 20
@Apeman42@lemmy.world avatar

I still hate pressing the sticks for most anything. First thing I do in most games on my steam deck is remap them to the back paddle buttons.

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

I hate when the default controls have duck toggled on R3 but then don’t have anything on two of the 4 face buttons. Crouch should be on Circle/B if you’re not using that button for anything else.

FreeAZ, (edited )

No…

The entire reason it’s like that is so you can crouch and aim at the same time, it’s almost objectively better, as long as you don’t accidently press it.

The best control schemes are the ones that bind any action that would be useful to do while still controlling the camera to the back buttons or the sticks.

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

I’m talking about a toggle tho. It’s not going to be accidentally toggled if its not on the stick, and the stick press is usually really sensitive. I can also hit the far right face button with the first knuckle of my thumb, while still having the end of my thumb moving stick.

If there was no toggle crouch in the theoretical game, then I would agree with you.

FreeAZ,

I prefer toggle crouch and I still much prefer it on the right stick. Allows you to spam crouch and aim at the same time, but do you. I just think it’s objectively better and hate when any action I would use while controlling the camera is on a face button.

My main point is there is a genuine reason it’s mapped to the stick by default, I would be annoyed if it was on the face buttons by default.

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

I think we can both agree that not being able to make any button do any thing is the best way to go about it. I hate being limited to a single scheme, or even just 2 or 3 and not being able to 100℅ fully customize them.

FreeAZ,

Yes.

MrScottyTay,

Stick buttons should always be toggles in my opinion. Fuck having to keep that pressed in while moving it around.

LifeInMultipleChoice,

What game does that? Any game I’ve ever played that used them for crouch was press for crouch, press and hold for a half second to go prone.

MrScottyTay,

Loads of games and if not by default it’s an option in the menu. Not so games have prone either

Ziglin,

But it’s really hard to use the joystick when you’re putting so much force into keeping it pressed.

FreeAZ,

Most people use toggle crouch, I just click it once and that’s it.

captain_aggravated,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

Breath of the wild is the worst. Crouch, as a toggle control, on L3.

calcopiritus,

Would be way worse to be hold. You know what I hate more than pressing L/R34? Holding them

VindictiveJudge,
@VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world avatar

That was the industry standard for a long time and it still pops up sporadically.

Dremor, do games w Steam Deck / Gaming News #21
@Dremor@lemmy.world avatar

Good read, as always. The link to lego island is broken, on my end at least (it redirects to LW).

For copyright reasons I’d rather it be the link to the decompiled/ported source code rather than directly to the game itself. I doubt they got the 3d models IP owner autorisation to use them, thus falling into the no linking to piracy rule.

PerfectDark,
@PerfectDark@lemmy.world avatar

The game was deemed abandonware years ago now, featuring both on the site myabandonware and on archive.org. There’s no complaints from LEGO itself as a brand since being shared there, but I’ll just remove the link entirely for you since you’re worried!

Dremor,
@Dremor@lemmy.world avatar

Honesty I’d agree that it should be allowed, but the EU has a much more strict rules on fair use than most countries has. And as LW is hosted in the EU, that’s the rule we have to follow.

But the jurisprudence made it clear that source code is considered as ok as soon as it does not contain copyrighted materials (original 3d models, music, etc). That why I’d prefer to link directly to the source code.

And if they have a direct link to the playable version of that game on said repository, that’s not our problem anymore 😅.

PerfectDark,
@PerfectDark@lemmy.world avatar

Hey, don’t worry! Better safe than sorry, this way at least if people reading are curious and want to find it (and play!) they can search it up, I’d assume. No problems!!!

ampersandrew, do games w Steam Deck / Gaming News #21
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Congrats on the cabin! Is that more of a home or a getaway?

Also, I’m one of those guys who grew up on Lego Island. I can’t say I’d want to revisit it for anything other than a history lesson, but it was in fact important to a lot of us.

PerfectDark,
@PerfectDark@lemmy.world avatar

Just an escape!

I’ll keep my apartment in the city, of course, but I like the idea of having somewhere that I will perhaps be less inclined to work, or stay in a chair/sofa, and instead keep running wild. That’s the hope, anyway!

nutbutter, do games w Steam Deck / Gaming News #21

Although, I’m all in for more and more FOSS programs, but why is there a need to create a new PS2 emulator, when PCSX2 is almost perfect?

mysticpickle,

Might be a passion or learning project they felt like sharing. Who knows? Either way there’s always room for improvement and more options is good!

dylanmorgan, do gaming w Honestly, it confused me at like 20

It confused me at 34.

LifeInMultipleChoice,

1,2 shipped with the original console. 3 was added later.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/885030f1-5334-4dd5-ad16-2dbb0ba5bfa0.jpeg

SalamenceFury, do games w Can we appreciate how horny everyone is for Mario in TTYD?
@SalamenceFury@lemmy.world avatar

God damn that rat wants the pipe huh.

RightHandOfIkaros, do games w Can we appreciate how horny everyone is for Mario in TTYD?

I feel like this is entirely a localizer-added thing, and the original Japanese version was very different. I could be wrong of course, but this is just my gut feeling considering the time TYD released (and honestly it isn’t too much better nowadays).

Now, people can argue whether drastic changes like that are good or bad (I would say it is a massive “it depends”), but personally I would really prefer localizers stick to something as accurate to the original as possible while still being understandable in the target culture, and then include an altered or changed version as an option.

Like being able to choose between the ADV or Netflix dub for Evangelion.

I don’t mind if someone wants to add their own spin or whatever, as long as that doesn’t become the singular defined version for an entire region as is all too common. The original creators had a vision, and I want to see that vision, not the one a localizer is adding on that the original creators didn’t have.

For example, in a culture that doesnt have bread cakes, but they do have rice cakes, I would want a localizer to say characters ate “a food similar to rice cakes” or “an exotic food.” As an absolute last resort “a rice cake” is okay, but certainly not “the characters ate a big feast of pork and jelly donoughts.”

hellerphant,

I never played the Japanese version, but I live in Japan and I have worked with various game localization companies. It’s a pretty fine line on how they handle these kinds of translations, and it is often the developers who give the direction.

A good localization firm will take the original intent, and then culturalize it for the target market to make sure it has the same intended “vibe” rather than an actual 1:1 translation. The first company I worked at here did the localization for Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice. They were using a lot of old Japanese in that, and they specifically DID want us to get as close to 1:1 as possible, while ensuring that the intent was still very clear. Another game that I cannot say was more free saying “please make sure that the jokes land with the US”, and quite a bit of the actual dialog was re-written, but once again, to match the vibe and intent that the developer was searching.

Each project is different. Each player is different. You aren’t wrong for your wants here, but developers aren’t wrong for trying to make something be more culturally appropriate for their target market, often which will sell more copies than their local market.

RightHandOfIkaros,

Yeah, that’s kinda what I mean. I think we agree. It’s just that recently there has been more attention on more… questionable… changes that localizers have been making to entertainment media, some I agree with and some I don’t.

In the 80s and 90s, it was common for overseas versions to change names to be more Western sounding. Personally, I don’t mind this kind of change. It usually doesn’t effect the overall story much, but sometimes a character might have an exotic sounding name in the Japanese version, I would hope that they also have a similarly exotic sounding name. However, it was also common for the entire story to be altered pretty drastically, even with the entertainment itself being chopped up into something entirely different. Which I don’t appreciate. I want the foreign media because it is different and from a different culture, changing it to match my own culture defeats the point of me wanting to engage with it.

Sometimes though, entire conversations are completely removed or changed entirely from their original versions. I mean, completely different, the difference between a character saying “I love you” and “You will always be my dearest friend.” I believe the Fire Emblem series (which I haven’t played very much so I have only minimal experience with) has had a few of these kinds of changes. In those cases, I believe that is a malicious change the developers may not have known about or may not have fully understood when they approved or signed off on the localization. Or the localization agency may have either thought they had more creative license than they actually had or deceived the original creators to push their own version instead.

Jokes are a bit different IMO, since humor is pretty different between cultures. Jokes in entertainment often rely on an understanding of the local pop-culture, so naturally jokes or geographical/historical references may need to change. It is understandable in those cases.

Eyck_of_denesle, do games w Overwatch 2 slaps

9 downvotes for what lol

FozzyOsbourne,

Lots of people just hate it (because blizzard or microtransactions or whatever) and can’t understand that people like different things. Ignore the numbers, you got some decent discussion!

BootyEnthusiast, do games w Can we appreciate how horny everyone is for Mario in TTYD?

I want to >!fuck!< that mouse

Azzu, do gaming w Honestly, it confused me at like 20

It’s confusing because it doesn’t make sense, what is it the left/right third of? There is no feature on the controller that has any amount of sequential things. There is no identifiable “first” or anything ordered anywhere. That’s why these buttons should be called LS, LB and LT for stick, button and trigger, which is still not perfectly intuitive without knowledge of the layout, but better than 123.

CleoTheWizard,
@CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world avatar

The general population has no clue what a button or a trigger is most of the time and also have no clue what LB,RB,LT,RT even mean. You have to sit there and go “hmmm okay I see it’s right but now I need to remember what T and B mean” and it’s unintuitive, only makes sense to those who know it already.

Whereas numbers people actually know how they work and when you just say L and R people pick up on it easier. They can just figure out that top is 1 and 2 is bottom. Even helps them understand L3 and R3 better.

I have almost never seen someone new to games understand the stick button prompt easily with Xbox. Whereas a lot of PS controller sessions taught me that people who are new can even figure that out before I jump in to help them. Plus the icons are better. Shapes are less brain work than letters for a lot of people I know.

calcopiritus,

7 year old me which didn’t know English was way more confused about the Xbox controllers. Plat station’s were way easier to understand. The problem with L3 and R3 is that I didn’t even know the sticks could be used as buttons, once I learned that, L3 and R3 made a lot of sense.

I know the L-R of Xbox were buttons, I just wasn’t able to understand which was which. Sony being a Japanese company, imagine if they named their buttons some random japanese characters. That’s what Xbox buttons were to me.

lime,
@lime@feddit.nu avatar

the ps shoulder buttons have always been labeled L1/L2 and R1/R2. literally stamped into the plastic.

LifeInMultipleChoice,

Yarp, and the 3 buttons didn’t exist when PlayStation came out (94’) they were added with the joysticks in 97’.

Ashiette,

Naaaah. They could just have labeled L3 and R3. R1 and R2 and engraved and way more intuitive than RB and RT.

ayyy,

Nobody knows wtf that letter soup stands for.

samus12345,
@samus12345@sh.itjust.works avatar

It made more sense if you grew up with the evolution of the controller. SNES - L and R are the left and right buttons on the top. PS1 - L2 and R2 are the buttons behind the left and right buttons on the top. PS1 dualshock - L3 and R3 are the left and right sticks being pressed in.

LifeInMultipleChoice,

PlayStation 1 came out having R1, R2 (right side buttons) and same for Left side buttons. The thumb sticks didn’t exist yet on the controller. So when they were added the joysticks, they needed a designation, so they said right 3 and left 3

mysticpickle, do games w Steam Deck / Gaming News #21

Subnautica 2 hyyype! Got the bulk pack of adult diapers ready for when I inevitably lose control of my bowels out of fear 🎉

PerfectDark,
@PerfectDark@lemmy.world avatar

Ahhhh, thalassophobia! I’m the opposite, having my dive license the idea of submerging is heaven to me!

Feddinat0r, do games w Steam Deck / Gaming News #21

As always i really like to read your posts.

You dont have to apologize, you shouldnt even feel the need to apologize.

Get well soon

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