I’m sticking with Linux due to the bullshit that Microsoft is constantly pulling. Currently, my PC is running Fedora 41, and I love it quite a bit; currently I can’t imagine a future where I return to Windows 11. Proton Compatibility Layer makes gaming on any distro fairly easy!
I never understand why people are so obsessed with not getting updates. They usually just break everything and bloat the OS.
“But my security!” OS updates are going to protect you from 99% of the bad actors out there. They do nothing against social engineering. They don’t make you use strong passwords. Most of the security flaws OS updates are addressing are the kinda of attacks that only state actors or organized crime rings have the resources and abilities to exploit.
Governments? Heck yeah they need to be concerned. Large enterprises? Definitely. Small businesses? Eh it’s probably for the best to protect your livelihood even if you aren’t the juiciest target. But for an individual using their PC for gaming, social media, streaming content, online shopping, etc… The cost-benefit analysis is different.
It’s not different from physical security. Theres a reason you don’t need to go through TSA to get on a bus.
The problem is that as soon as a security issue is found on windows 10 it won’t be fixed, it is perpetual. In Windows 11 it will probably be fixed before you even know it exists.
You seem awfully optimistic about Microsoft’s response time lol.
How many people are out there today with broken locks on their doors or windows? How many stores do you think close every night with the minimum wage worker forgetting to lock up properly? How many people out their use incredibly weak passwords, share their credentials with others, or leave everything on post-it notes?
Security is a cost-benefit analysis. Depending on what exactly this hypothetical exploit requires I might very well be comfortable running Windows 10 anyways. The vast majority of security exploits require physical access to the machine- we only hear about the remote ones more often because they are scarier.
It might be a remote exploit or it might not. An OS is not just a program that runs in the background, if it is critically important.
These kind of exploiters don’t tend to attack you in particular, they have botnets scanning the web for any compromised machine.
Running windows 10 is fine today, might not be fine after EOL. It is irresponsible to shrug it off and not even consider the alternatives out there, including windows 11.
That’s where the “analysis” part of “cost-benefit analysis” comes in and it doesn’t make sense to generalize like you seem to want to.
Is it really that much more responsible to run Windows 11? You seem to have a LOT of faith in Microsoft to keep you safe. There’s plenty of reasons to not switch to Windows 11.
I also use Linux on some machines. But I can also see why there are reasons why one distro or another, or even Linux in general, may not be the right call for some people.
For the avg person why not trust them I’m not too worried about what they can collect on an average person I use Linux personally so I’m not shilling for Ms but 11 will keep out more hackers then 10 cause I wouldn’t be worried about them stealing my card info but a hacker yes i would be
Even if you trust their intent to not misuse your data, there are now a lot of live rpc hooks into your operating system, controllable by anyone who can compromise their azure implementation, which has happened at least twice in recent memory. If the data never leaves your device, and they didn’t have a way in, they wouldn’t have those things to lose in the first place.
The interdependency itself, regardless of intent, is inherently more dangerous than the previous separate paradigm that used to exist.
If the EU is allowed to employ guards in MS’s buildings and to roll their own secured version of Windows, I wouldn’t mind sticking to Windows 11 EU. On the other paw, if DOGE is given access to Microsoft, I shall flee to Linux. Hopefully, SteamOS Desktop will be a thing if the latter happens.
I’m pretty sure all personal data leaks to me and my friends and family have nothing to do with personal EOL OS on personal PCs/laptops.
My Dad, ran Windows 7 (yes, 7) until he passed last year, almost 80. We had his credit locked down, we had antivirus running, we kept the browsers up to date, and he was very good about not clicking weird links or calling fake support numbers.
His biggest data breach (and ours too)? Was from myChart a couple years ago, he got a letter that his data was part of the big hack, yada yada yada free credit reporting - so sorry. If you don’t know, myChart is like The Main medical everything portal in the US at least for most doctors and hospital systems. So all your test results, making appointments, sending messages, requesting Rx refills, all through myChart’s website. The hospitals and doctors using MyChart can see pretty much everything in your myChart health record (some exceptions)
So using super secure OS on your personal computer means nothing when you are part of a hundreds of millions data dump from someone hacking into that. Not having an account just means you don’t have access to your own records, they are still part of the system.
But Yes, I was in the process of getting Dad an upgrade to a flavor of Linux that would be the closest to what he was used to. And the only reason was because browser support was coming to EOL for Windows 7. He really didn’t want to change or lose his solitaire games and he deserved a stress-free life to play his damn games like he wanted.
THAT SAID - if businesses are using EOL OS and getting hacked - they definitely need to do whatever they need to do and protect their customer data. But EOL OS for an average person checking email, making doctor’s appointments, checking headlines, and playing solitaire while streaming music certainly doesn’t call for a need to panic.
IF you are a power user doing sometimes sketch things (according to Apple/MS anyway) probably switch to Linux sooner than later.
We have computers running Linux, Windows 10 (one of which was on 8.1 until a year ago), and Windows 11 in our house. The one on 11 is being tested basically, and will probably be reinstalled with Linux. But we are trying to give it a shot.
Your dad probably got lucky, and your router’s firewall probably did a lot of the heavy lifting. If you were to connect a win 2000/XP computer to the internet today without a firewall between, it would be compromised in minutes (there are loads of videos of people demoing this).
While I don’t have proof that 7 would be the same, I strongly suspect it would be the same. 10 will get there soon too. Firewalls will stop most of the low hanging fruit, but an application that bridges connections through the firewall are that much more vulnerable to exploitations that won’t be integrated by your running kernel.
Made the jump already since I built a new computer and there were lots of missing windows 10 drivers for the new hardware and there was no way in hell I was going to main on windows 11.
Used it, it was probably the best, but still bad. If not for work, it would have been good enough though.
Most of the RDP implementations are also just based on FreeRDP, so they’re basically the same. I had terrible picture quality on all of them, even over local network, and the USB passthrough barely worked.
Tbh since I need the system for work, I wasn’t able to test stuff super long. Maybe I should install Linux on a secondary system, so I can just play around and try stuff.
I tried it a few months ago but had issues with various games and lowered performance in almost all of them. I still don't know if I will just cave in and upgrade to win11 or try linux again, i've got a free partition waiting but the issue is lack of time and motivation to dive into troubleshooting the OS on a daily basis
I’m running Linux everywhere incuding the machine I am writing on right now. I have one single dual boot machine with Windows 10 as the mainly used OS for the simple reason that I need to run one specific software (and some of the “ecosystem” around it) that is not available for Linux. The only alternative is Apple which is even worse in my opinion. So I think I’ll be forced to update. All the rest of my daily computing stuff has been moved to Linux for a long time.
I gave Linux Mint a try last week when I received the news about the obligatory MS account for W11. Not that I’ll “upgrade” to W11 but anyway.
Very smooth installation experience. The OS and software like Steam, Brave, Nvidia drivers and some audio & video stuff installed through the package control in no time. I could actually work with it.
Half of my game library is made only for W though. Or the small blocker things like GTA V that works well in Mint in story mode, the Battleye thing won’t start of course, so expect no GTA Online in Mint either.
I think I’ll keep Linux Mint and Windows under dual boot and use Windows only when necessary. Or run W10 in a virtual box in Mint 😎.
Thing is, before battleye, gta online worked perfectly. I played it for years on every remotely popular linux distro, from debian, to ubuntu, linux mint, fedora etc. It’s just the fucking anticheat.
Dual boot is the way for right now. Proton is huge, but there are still a good number of games with compatibility issues or rootkit anticheats. Personally I advise steering clear of the latter, but that’s neither here nor there.
I use CachyOS as my daily driver and booted up the Windows partition maybe 3 times since setting this up back in February (and most of those times were just to play REPO because Elgato hardware with dual input and output has serious issues with Linux, but I’ve sorted that out now with a workaround)
Make the jump to Linux and loose 90% of the games you play as well. If all you play is steam games and don’t care about many that can’t be played then sure. I get the appeal. But windows 11 is the same thing as 10.
Do you only play games with kernel level anti-cheat? Because those are literally the only games i haven’t been able to play, and fortunately for me I don’t want to play those games.
I use DAWs, havent had luck with wine not crashing games. So yes. You MUST be right, haven’t used Linux at all actually. Just saw a word document about it. God you people are the worst
Yeah, sometimes there are software that just won’t have a Linux version. Thats to be expected because Linux isnt a Windows clone so itll never run all Windows software. If that software is important to you I would reccomend just installing Windows 11.
I’ve been going fucking wild with emulators lately.
I have Dolphin, Xenia, OpenGOAL, PCSX2 and RPCS3. I have Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic Heroes, Sonic '06, all the Ratchet & Clank PS2 games, the Sly Cooper trilogy and Sly 4, all the Jak games, the first two InFamous games, the Tak trilogy, and even more.
I was wanting Sony (or someone) to port at least Sly and Jak to PC, so I got tired of waiting and just got emulators. Old games are super fun.
With InFamous, RPCS3 works damn near flawlessly (some games need some tweaking individually to smooth out some kinks, but it’s easy to do).
I ran into some issues late-game in the first one where if you attacked a certain enemy with your basic shock attack, it would totally freeze and crash the game, so you need to switch it to the ASMJIT recompiler. Which, if you do that, the game will run almost perfectly aside from minor audio and graphical bugs.
The second one has some framerate issues, but it’s entirely playable. I’m on the last mission of my good playthrough now.
I can't afford a new computer right now and tariffs meaning higher prices means I can't anticipate affording one in the near future. My plan is to see where everything's at when they stop doing updates. Unfortunately.
I'm somewhat open to the idea, but the thought of messing up and not having any computer other than my phone until i figure it out is tough to get over.
If you can install another driver onto the computer, you can put Linux on that and kept the windows OS still, in case you need it. This is dual booting. You chose which OS you want when booting up.
Is this something that's relatively fool proof to do? I'm very good at imagining disasters. That's the big mental block I got when I thought about dual booting before.
note that you should absolutely make a backup of all your important files before you muck about with installing different operating systems, it will wipe your drive, so, yeah.
if you do that and have both on a ventoy usb it is pretty much impossible to fuck something up
As long as you go with a mainstream distro you can’t really mess it up if you play games try bazzite it’s a atomic distro so it’s hard to break since the system files are read only and if an update breaks it has a duplicate file system to fall back on from before the update and is just as easy if not easier then windows to install
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