Being critical usually comes with reasons and not “it’s shit and everyone who likes it is dumb.” You’re not actually being critical. You’re just hating.
It’s not what we should have gotten in terms of Metal Gear story. In terms of a solid game with good gameplay and a decent story, it’s fantastic. Not every game needs to be open world, require 200 hours, or be live service.
Not every game needs to be open world, require 200 hours, or be live service.
Right. And all of the MGS games that don’t have these are better than rising.
It’s not fantastic. It’s mediocre and lazy. The swordplay is neutered because doing what they had in the tech demo was ‘too hard’ for obsidian. The story is forgettable, along with pretty much everything else about the game.
The MGS games are classics. Rising just rode their coattails and had memers at the helm.
I tried it but I couldn’t get over the fact that there is no dedicated parry/block button. Also the game looks horribly dated with muddy textures and environments.
It doesn’t have the soul of a Metal Gear game. Its quite literally Bayonetta with a Metal Gear reskin. Metal Gears gameplay is mostly about player freedom. You have to get from point A to B and how you do it is up to you. Rising takes all of that away, just hack and slash to kill everybody. Its still fun, but definitely not a Metal Gear players cup of tea.
I had the same realization about 40K Space Marine (the old one). When it originally cane out I loved it, but I replayed it a few months ago and realized that its kind of bad. Its just corridor, arena, corridor, arena, corridor,… There’s not really anything to it, not even the story. Why is it so highly praised? Because back when we first played it we thought it was cool and nostalgia is a powerful thing.
I only played Rising recently precisely because back when it came out it deviated so much from the first Trailers. I wanted Metal Gear Solid 4 but with Raiden, but what we got was Metal Gear Devil May Cry.
You’re just upset because I dared to be critical of something you and the bandwagon enjoy.
“my opinion is unpopular, therefore i must be right” will never not be hilarious to me. but hey, go ahead and enjoy the metal gear games. i heard they are a bit underground, but that seems to suit your style
I think using LLMs to provide the dialog for NPCs in a RPG is a use case that’s just begging to happen. Ie townsfolk that don’t just give the same few replies every time, and who react to things you’ve done in the past beyond just whatever prewritten options the developer thought of.
That is…actually far better than I thought it would be. It’s clearly not ready yet, but I could see the potential.
The AI model is too happy to serve the whims of the player, but if there was a better model that could actually be hooked in to me hanics like personality scores or reputation, I could see that as an interesting gameplay system. It also needs more checks on what they are and aren’t supposed to know (e.g. why would a Skyrim NPC associate the name Batman with heroism, or why would they know who Gandalf is?).
A (digital) setup like Westworld is probably in the cards someday. Hopefully with more checks in place to keep the AI from rising up though!
Thanks for sharing, this set me off down the rabbit hole, and it seems this is now a popular and viable skyrim mod for organic dialogue with NPCs: www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/…/98631
If the feature actually worked as intended I could see myself ignoring the rest of the game and just chatting with the townsfolk.
In reality, I imagine the NPC would totally forget what we were talking about after a certain amount of messages pass. Limited context windows and all that jazz.
A challenge game developers have talked about with integrating LLMs is keeping the dialogue matched to the game world, e.g. you don’t want a Skyrim NPC mentioning a cell phone.
Not anytime soon. Nvidia tried, and nobody liked it. LLMs still suck at creative writing and need a ton of RAM/VRAM just to work. They also often get confused or trail off in any discussion/roleplay.
The only game that sort of made it work was Suck Up!, where you’re a vampire that has to convince an AI to let you in their house so you can suck their blood. It’s a fun concept but even that game gets repetitive quick and the LLM is very stupid and random.
Tiny models only get stupid like that because you’re taking a general purpose model that knows everything in the world and compressing all that knowledge too much. If you start with a model that only knows basic english and info about a few hundred things in the game, it can be much smaller.
We won’t see large language models. We will likely see a stripped down version like a small language model (or Domain Specific models if you want the fancy marketing wank term) because a NPC in a fantasy game doesn’t need to know about 13th century Europe or 19th century Asia.
Yes, LLMs are too costly for this and require a cloud service, smaller models could run on the client. The main difficulty is getting the training data and preparing it for machine learning.
A good fit would be random background NPCs. For example, pedestrians in a GTA like game. Can potentially increase the variety in the things they can say, and maybe even talk about things the player has just done.
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