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HeyJoe, do games w The best MMOs in 2023 - PCGamer

I came here expecting to find something new… find out about 8 of the games are a decade old or more. I wish they could make another list of top 5 in the past 5 years, or are there really not even that many being released these days? I feel like I’ve seen some really cool looking ones every year but never hear of them again.

Goronmon,

MMOs are definitely on the decline at this point. They are too big and expensive to make, and companies think GaaS setups are more lucrative.

wombatula,

GaaS took all the profitable pieces of the MMO model, and left the entire genre a desiccated husk populated with zombie games that refuse to die from the 90s, 00s, and 10s. Other than a couple Asian market games (because that market is a lot more accepting of extreme monetization in MMO), Lost Ark, and New World, I literally cannot think of a single MMO released in the 2020s that wasn’t just a kickstarter scam, and even those are less common now.

rbar,

I don’t know. As a fan of the genre there seems to be renewed interest from some very grass roots developers. I would have agreed with your take in 2020, but in 2023 we have announcements of:

  • the Riot MMO
  • Ashes of Creation
  • The Ghost studios MMO

These are all still in development, some still in the very early stages. But I would say there appears to be renewed interest in the genre by developers. These projects are major investments by industry veterans. There is more hope for a major new game.now than there has been in the last decade.

Goronmon,

There has always been a steady stream of “promising” MMOs from smaller developers over the past couple decades. So that’s not really a new phenomenon.

As for the Riot MMO, I’ll believe that when they actually have something that people can play.

lorty,
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AoC will fail in the eyes of mmo players since it cannot possibly live up to the hype.

Zahille7,

Which seems ironic right? You’d think the type of game best suited for a “games as a service” style would be MMOs.

Anonymousllama, do games w SteamOS will be coming to other handhelds before you can install it on your PC 'because right now, it's very, very tuned for Steam Deck' | PC Gamer

Be very keen to see steam OS everywhere, there’s a vetted interest in valve getting this widely adopted (more devices running it means more eyes on steam and more potential sales)

I’m keen to see the hardware variations device manufacturers come up with when they can just throw steam os on them and it all “just works”

Crashumbc, do games w The best MMOs in 2023 - PCGamer

WotLK Classic

We’re done here.

snugglesthefalse,

Nah, I’m not dealing with blizzard’s shit ever again.

stallmer,

Turtle WoW has been a fun private server! I hadn’t ever tried one before, but it’s super easy to install. Quite a few people leveling too.

snugglesthefalse,

While I’m interested in private servers I feel like I’ve finished warcraft. I did Legion and the whole burning legion story that started with wc1 is done for me.

lorty, do games w The best MMOs in 2023 - PCGamer
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There are so few mmos worth mentioning these days you could barely make a top 10

PieMePlenty, do games w The best MMOs in 2023 - PCGamer

Huh Palia looks interesting. Gotta keep it on the radar.

avater, do games w The best MMOs in 2023 - PCGamer
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Ashes of Creation? The game is not even released…

lorty,
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It’s the upcoming section…

avater,
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on an article called “The best MMOs in 2023” …

Keegen, do games w The best MMOs in 2023 - PCGamer

This article was either written in parts by AI or the author is in such a hurry they didn’t have the time for even basic proofreading. In the first paragraph of the WoW part, they mention Shadowlands being the latest expansion (along with some hilariously false statements about it “bringing the game back to it’s glory early years” despite it being an absolute flop) only to mention Dragonflight in the very next one, even linking a review from their own site!

Overspark,

There are more errors. Eve Online is 20 years old, not 18. He even lists 2003 as the release year. And Palia has been playable for a couple of months now, so it could have included far more information than that.

Keegen,

Whatever AI they used to write parts of this article must be trained on 2 years old data, where Shadowlands was the most recent expansion and where the 2003 release date of EVE would make it 18 years old, at least that’s my hypothesis. The part about Palia is likely just lazy journalism, where the author didn’t even do a basic search to check if the game actually came out, I mean they didn’t even take the time to correct these incredibly obvious mistakes!

Vordus,

It’s not AI-based. Articles like this are generally repeatedly republished with extremely minimal editing every six months or so to keep them ‘fresh’ for the search engine optimisation.

stardreamer,
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Oh great, a human failed the Turing Test…

nekusoul, do games w SteamOS will be coming to other handhelds before you can install it on your PC 'because right now, it's very, very tuned for Steam Deck' | PC Gamer
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Seems like they won’t release it before it’s in a state where it’ll “just work” on about machine, which makes sense, since that’s the thing that helped the Steam Deck to success.

To that end it’ll probably be a while before they can get there, particularly for machines with NVIDIA GPUs, assuming stuff like multi-monitor VRR and bug-free Wayland support is on the list of requirements.

HubertManne, do games w SteamOS will be coming to other handhelds before you can install it on your PC 'because right now, it's very, very tuned for Steam Deck' | PC Gamer
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im pretty sure steamos has been available for pc for quite some time now.

doggle,

Not exactly. There’s the old Debian based version and a user edited version of the deck’s recovery image. The latter gets you pretty close to the experience, but as with most arch based distros it’s not always a super user-friendly experience.

HubertManne,
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I was really more making a point about the title not saying update or something.

JoYo, do games w SteamOS will be coming to other handhelds before you can install it on your PC 'because right now, it's very, very tuned for Steam Deck' | PC Gamer
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big picture works great on any linux distro, why would i want anything more?

Jerkface,

If the reduction in overhead, or any other optimizations it might offer, increases performance even more, I might go out of my way to set up a multi-boot.

p5f20w18k,
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Big picture mode runs like complete shit for me no matter what I do

Arthur_Leywin,

It works* on any Linux distro. Definitely not great.

doggle,

A gaming-focused, curated experience that just works™️

With a little know how you can get 99% of the way there with any arch based distro, but installing a new OS for non techies can be pretty intimidating. Having Valve’s assurance that it works with all common hardware would help more people take the plunge, I think.

TryingToEscapeTarkov, do games w SteamOS will be coming to other handhelds before you can install it on your PC 'because right now, it's very, very tuned for Steam Deck' | PC Gamer

“Coming to other handhelds” “very tuned for steam deck” Why are these conflicting things in the same headline?

curiousaur,

It’s tuned to the architecture. AMD APUs.

Goronmon, (edited )

It’s tuned for a specific hardware platform right now. Choosing specific hardware platforms for support is just an extensions of that.

However the “PC” platform is basically an amalgamation of any possible hardware combination that currently exists, and is a whole different target for a project like this.

ShaneIsGames, do games w The best MMOs in 2023 - PCGamer
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Cool to see Secret World Legends get a nod. I did a solo run of the story content a couple years back, really liked it.

VerseAndVermin,

Does it take a lot of time to experience the story in a satisfying way? I only played a little of the intro years ago and recall like the game but not the combat. I’m really tempted to revisit for its setting though just to go through it, but not if it moves at a crawl.

ShaneIsGames,
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It’s definitely a significant time investment; to see all the story currently in the game, I’d compare it time-wise to your average JRPG.

Cort, do games w SteamOS will be coming to other handhelds before you can install it on your PC 'because right now, it's very, very tuned for Steam Deck' | PC Gamer

What will be first, dual boot support or PC install support?

doggle,

You mean dual boot for the steam deck? Iirc the new OLED model will allow custom bios/firmware so that could be a possibility soon

ares35, do games w SteamOS will be coming to other handhelds before you can install it on your PC 'because right now, it's very, very tuned for Steam Deck' | PC Gamer
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makes sense. each handheld represents a single platform and hardware config to target. PCs vary wildly in both hardware and software.

Jaysyn, do games w SteamOS will be coming to other handhelds before you can install it on your PC 'because right now, it's very, very tuned for Steam Deck' | PC Gamer
@Jaysyn@kbin.social avatar

I guess this is a different SteamOS than the one that has been freely available for years?

Goronmon,

It’s available, but not really built or supported for standard desktop installation, at least as far as I know.

Quik,

I think what’s meant is there isn’t an official ISO to download as it’s not yet that polished for PCs

Jaysyn,
@Jaysyn@kbin.social avatar

There used to be though. I have it on a DVD. SteamOS is much older than the SteamDeck.

Goronmon,

The name is old, but there are distinct distributions. Debian vs Arch.

Railcar8095,

The current, unavailable for general download, is Steam OS 3. Valve just refuses to put a number 3 anywhere, do they just pretend the other two do not exist.

BTW, there are a few “almost steam os” out there. I can vouch for Bazzite, it’s fedora based and really good. Very welcoming for beginners, but had a lot of options of you want to dig a bit.

puttybrain,

I think you’re talking about the really old version from the steam machines. The OS the Steam Deck uses (version 3.0+) is completely rebuilt and uses a different OS as a base (now using Arch instead of Debian)

doggle,

If you mean the old Debian based one, yes. SteamOS 3+ is arch based and released with the steam deck. Valve said they’d release a version for desktops, but have yet to follow through.

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