I thought it was just supposed to be three releases. That get massively upped? I’ll probably never mess with playing it, then. I’ll just play the ps1 version rom with the graphics upscaled on my steam deck and call it good.
The first one was fun, but I was disappointed it ended early. Open world exploring is what makes it a Final Fantasy game. I didn’t mind the additional content and changes, but really wanted the whole game (especially for $60-70).
I personally enjoy Brok the Investigator, if you don’t mind beat-em-up mixed in with your story. Has multiple endings, every single area has 3 hidden collectables that act as hints in case you get stuck, and is available on console (ps4/5, xbox one and series s/x, switch) if you don’t feel like playing on PC.
You play the first chapter as a detective alligator (Brok) who has a new case to solve. Starting chapter 2, you gain access to switch between him and his cat son (Graff). Depending on your actions, you get the different endings. To make things easier on getting different endings, you can load yourself in at specific chapters, too.
As a heads up, don’t read the Gamespot review if you’re carefully avoiding spoilers. The review tries to discuss the ending without revealing too much but wasn’t entirely successful.
I would say it doesn’t because you are still running PC games. The reason I specified consoles specifically without homebrew and backwards compatibility is it kind of leaves you stuck in a certain generation that typically has a finite lifespan.
You could install Linux on a console and use it forever or rely on homebrew for extended life like the PS Vita otherwise.
Aren’t all consoles like that, though? They all run mainstream operating systems, and are basically locked down PCs in a fancy box. If anything, the Steam Deck is further from a PC than an XBox/PS, due to being handheld, with an embedded screen and controller, while XBox and its friends require a display and an external controller (like a PC).
I would say an OS being locked down to prevent normal forms of productivity like Office work or even web browsing at times would be a requirement to be considered a console. They are usually at best a media and game system by design due to the locks in place. So I wouldn’t put Steam Deck in the category of console for the spirit of the discussion.
Consoles are more and more like PCs, with many multimedia, productivity and utilility apps and even web browsing, so the Steam Deck IMO perfectly fits the discussion.
Out of the box it has a strict console-like UI and limited functionality for everything else other than gaming. You need to take special steps to use it as a PC (reboot in desktop mode, attach peripherals, etc)
No not really. Steam Deck I can actually use fully as a desktop replacement, since it is a full Linux desktop and can have Windows OS installed on it too. Can’t do the same with a Switch or PS5 or Xbox. Doesn’t matter what peripherals you attach. Console hardware being locked down holds it back. Even jailbroken ones.
A phone is closer to a desktop equivalent than a console. Especially Samsung with stuff like Dex.
No not really. Steam Deck I can actually use fully as a desktop replacement, since it is a full Linux desktop and you can fully run a desktop Windows OS on it. Can’t do the same with a Switch or PS5 or Xbox. Console OS and it being locked down holds it back. Even jailbroken ones.
A phone is closer to a desktop equivalent than a console. Especially Samsung with stuff like Dex.
There is no strict definition of what a console is. Just because the linux OS is not restricted and the hardware can be used as a pc with extra steps are we excluding the SD from the console topic?
I just consider Steam Deck more PC than console. Even getting games to work requires more tinkering sometimes having to switch proton versions. Console tends to just work in comparison.
I just go by what traditional consoles have been capable of. And only console that comes to mind that even came close to the full functionality of the Steam Deck productivity potential was the PS3 with Linux support before they removed it.
yeah psr could run it if you have an exploited console.
the only console to officially at some point allow for it was the PS3 though.
Alternatively, any xbox one/series is technically capable of running windows in the cloud so you could theoretically get a very expensive cloud pc running on it.
I would say the Steam Deck is excluded. I specified against PC knowing people would either mention the Steam Deck or the Henry Cavill preferring PC meme.
I feel like otherwise Steam’s old Steam machines could also fit under the definition of being a console.
I suppose the unique portable hardware does make a good argument but the way I look at it game developers, for the most part, aren’t making games for the Steam Deck. They are making them for PC and I feel like that’s a big reason why I don’t consider them consoles. I also feel like that’s why devices like the ROG Ally and Steam Deck are considered handheld gaming PCs and not handheld gaming consoles.
I’d still say that’s bypassing the restrictions of the console so it can be something else. It’s like installing DOOM on a smart fridge and calling it a gaming console.
I disagree. It’s a gaming console. It is marketed as such. It’s primary purpose is to run games. By the way, you can browse on the Xbox. And because it has a full-blown browser, you can even use Office365 if you attach a keyboard and a mouse. So lets disqualify that too? :)
Can it run movie editor, code, blender, etc? How many people could be given an Xbox that doesn’t intend to game with it and use it for productivity?
By that loose definition Windows is a console too, since Steam can be launched with big picture mode so the device has a simplistic UI at launch that can be navigated by a controller.
Yes, it can run all that. You may have to jump through a few hoops (just like in the case of the Steam Deck, just different hoops), but it can run all that.
I’ll also turn your question back to you: how many people use the Steam Deck for productivity, rather than for gaming, which is its intended purpose? And does it matter?
Like it or not, the steam deck is a gaming console, even if you can run non-game stuff on it too. Heck, even stuff like the Game Boy had (official!) accessories like the Game Boy Camera and Game Boy Printer, which were both useful outside of gaming. Does that stop the Game Boy from being a (retro) gaming console? There’s an ongoing project to provide productivity apps for the Game Boy (though, arguably, it did not ship yet, but you can extend the game boy with a cartridge in whatever way you can imagine).
Or, you can use your SNES as a MIDI Synthesizer (www.supermidipak.com)! No modding or anything necessary, it’s just a regular cartridge. Can it be used for fun? Yes. Is it a game? No. You can do a lot of stuff with an SNES cartridge that has nothing to do with gaming. There was even a cartridge that let you play online games on the SNES (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XBAND) - but not only games, it also let you read and write messages to other people. You didn’t need to go into “desktop mode”, nor install a browser, nor do anything special. You plugged in the cartridge, and it worked. It was far less locked down than the XBox or even the Steam Deck! Does that disqualify the SNES (or the game boy) from being a gaming console?
By your definition I don’t see why PC wouldn’t be a console, since being to do some things doesn’t exclude it. And why exclude PC as console just because it can do a lot of things.
Wikipedia that you referred to before calls Steam deck a handheld gaming computer. If Steam Deck is a console why wouldn’t a gaming PC fall into the category of console.
This all seems arbitrary. It is all subjective anyways. You can see steam deck as different from PC. I’ll look at Steam Deck and PC as the same. So to me both are either console or PC.
You can also take it up with valve for their it’s a pc comments. Even the reveal they did with ign calling it a handheld gaming PC.
All Steam Decks (both LCD and OLED) are powerful, portable, PC gaming devices made for comfort and a console-like experience.
At best described as “console-like experience”
Steam Deck has a user-friendly interface specifically designed for its gamepad controls. Its software and operating system are tailored for Steam Deck, making it the easiest way to get into PC gaming.
This is also a nice watch of Gabe talking about the openness of the PC ecosystem and how if you want to you can install epic game store or run oculus quest on the Steam Deck. Take what you will from it but I feel like Gabe and the people who worked on the Steam Deck see it more as a PC than console.
They all run mainstream operating systems, and are basically locked down PCs in a fancy box.
I feel like Xbox is the only console running a mostly mainstream OS. The Playstation series is based off of FreeBSD and but I think that’s at a base level and a majority of what’s added is custom proprietary code. Considering gaming on FreeBSD really doesn’t surpass Quake I’d say it’s quiet different.
I’ve seen the Switch’s OS described as
Proprietary OS, derivative of Nintendo 3DS system software (partially Unix-like via certain components which are based on FreeBSD and Android)
Would have to be either the switch for Mario Kart, Super Smash and Nintendo sports when family is visiting or PS3 for FIFA World Cup 2010 when the lads are visiting. I suspect the switch would age better, though 2010 World Cup is an absolute gem.
I don’t think the single player game selection matters that much as it would grow stale with time anyway.
Seems like one to be wary of reviews for. At each publication, the person who enjoyed part 1 will be excitedly picking up this job, while anyone who disliked part 1 will be passing. I guess the main benefit is it matches the audience; if you didn’t like part 1, reviews won’t convince you this is worth it.
On balance, I like that they’re deviating from the original. I dislike that the main deviation is padding it into 3 games.
Both have such a huge library of fantastic games. In my opinion, the best libraries overall of any generation of video games. I think they existed during an era of video game development where there the market had not fully digested what a commodity video games could be, so there was space for a lot of experimentation and discovery. Off the top of my head, the SNES has…
Donkey Kong Countries 1, 2, and 3
Final Fantasies 4, 5, and 6
Super Mario World
Yoshi’s Island
Super Metroid
F-Zero
Star Fox
Mega Man 7
Mega Man X, X2, and X3
Breath of Fire 1 and 2
Rock and Roll Racing
Earthbound
Secret of Mana (and sequels if in this hypothetical we’re not being region-locked)
Secret of Evermore
Terranigma
Skyblazer
Hook
Street Fighter 2 (and others)
Final Fight 1, 2, and 3
Killer Instinct
Super Mario RPG
Joe and Mac 1 and 2
Soul Blazer
Chrono Trigger
Zelda: A Link to the Past
Mario Kart
Shadowrun
Demon’s Crest
Super Ghouls and Ghosts
Castlevania Dracula X
Super Castlevania 4
Mortal Kombats 1, 2, and 3
Illusion of Gaia
Dragon Quests
Star Ocean
Lufia
Front Mission
7th Saga
Ogre Battle
Harvest Moon
Tales of Phantasia
… I’ll leave it there, but the list goes on, the SNES has a library that is burgeoning with bangers. The PSX is, too, but I feel hesitant to ruin the comments page with another list.
PS5. Easy. New hardware does shit older hardware can’t. And while there are games older than PS4 I like, there aren’t anywhere near enough to choose them over actually modern shit.
And newer indies often do modernized takes on the stuff older games were limited to.
Metal Gear is a series that will turn on a dime from being deathly serious into breaking the fourth wall for a joke or gameplay reasons. They're amazing.
I'd recommend playing them in release order. You can skip the MSX games and go right to Metal Gear Solid, but these games do build on each other. MGSV is probably the best-playing game in the series, but it has the least of the story bits that the series is known for.
One of my buddies got metal gear for PlayStation when it was first released. I remember marvelling at the way that the enemies reacted to the footsteps and noises you made splashing through puddles. It was just something we had never experienced before. So much tension just trying to get through that first area to the elevator. And the cyborg ninja? Get outta here so fucking cool!
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