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Nibodhika, do games w GOG reportedly suffering from staff turnover and poor management: “Current business model is likely running out of steam”

How is that different from backing up the game folder on steam? In both cases it’s true that:

  • You’re not doing anything illegal at the moment you do it
  • You can use it to play the game on a different computer (as long as the game is DRM free which is not granted on either platform)
  • The company (Valve/GOG) can’t remotely erase your copy
  • If the company removes the license from you your backup is now technically illegal but it’s unlikely to be enforced

I fail to see how GOGs approach is any different, they still sell you a license and you’re backing up the installer in case the license gets removed and/or you’re forbidden from redownloading the game.

Nibodhika, do games w GOG reportedly suffering from staff turnover and poor management: “Current business model is likely running out of steam”

Yes, but the same is also true for Steam, so it’s a moot point.

Nibodhika, do games w GOG reportedly suffering from staff turnover and poor management: “Current business model is likely running out of steam”

No you don’t. You get the same license as you do on Steam, here’s the license btw …gog.com/…/16034990432541-GOG-User-Agreement-effe… :

We give you and other GOG users the personal right (known legally as a ‘license’) to use GOG services and to download, access and/or stream (depending on the content) and use GOG content. This license is for your personal use. We can stop or suspend this license in some situations, which are explained later on.

Which is very similar to Steam. In both cases you can keep the files you’ve downloaded on your machine, and on most cases you can copy those files to a different machine and keep playing it. GOG has better marketing on this regard, but they’re both very similar, neither enforces DRM nor forbids it entirely, although GOG does tend to be a bit stricter (but they still allow it) whereas steam is a bit looser but knowingly implemented a weak DRM and let’s you know in the game page if the game has any stronger form of DRM.

Nibodhika, do games w GOG reportedly suffering from staff turnover and poor management: “Current business model is likely running out of steam”

I would lose some of my library, but I think most of it would still work.

Nibodhika, do games w GOG reportedly suffering from staff turnover and poor management: “Current business model is likely running out of steam”

But the APIs are public, so they can be reimplemented in open source. There just hasn’t been any reason for it since currently that would only be used for piracy (in fact some “cracked” games have a mockup of the steam API that just returns the expected things as if it had contacted the servers). But the moment steam goes away I give it a couple of weeks until there’s a GitHub implementing most of the basic stuff.

Nibodhika, do games w GOG reportedly suffering from staff turnover and poor management: “Current business model is likely running out of steam”

the vast majority of the games I own on Steam can’t

People keep making this claim, but I don’t think this is true, I’ve made backups of lots of games, even played some in lan with some friends from just a single copy to convince them to buy the game. DRM has to be enabled by the developer, so the majority of games don’t do it, but also lots of games are badly coded and assume steam will be present so they fail to start without the steam library, but any game that’s released somewhere else besides steam probably will just work (and any game that’s only released on steam can’t be found anywhere else so they’re irrelevant).

Nibodhika, do games w GOG reportedly suffering from staff turnover and poor management: “Current business model is likely running out of steam”

You can’t also say conclusively that every LAN game on GOG is DRM-free on GOG either.

I read that other comment, that’s an issue with the specific game. I’ve played dozens of games without connection and not putting it on offline mode, if that specific game tries to phone home on login that game is wrong. I wished Steam would have a DRM-free tag to be able to differentiate them easily.

Nibodhika, do games w GOG reportedly suffering from staff turnover and poor management: “Current business model is likely running out of steam”

Sure, but those also are DRM free on Steam, so my point remains.

Nibodhika, do games w GOG reportedly suffering from staff turnover and poor management: “Current business model is likely running out of steam”

Never heard of that game, but I can definitely believe it, old games are where GOG really shines. But that doesn’t seem like a DRM thing, more like the game is abandoned on Steam but not on GOG, sometimes GOG patches some old games with their own runtime, curiously if that is the problem running the steam version on linux using proton (and especially proton-GE) is also very likely to work.

Nibodhika, do games w GOG reportedly suffering from staff turnover and poor management: “Current business model is likely running out of steam”

Yeah, but if you follow that DRM definition almost no game on Steam has DRM either.

Nibodhika, do games w GOG reportedly suffering from staff turnover and poor management: “Current business model is likely running out of steam”

Not the person you’re replying to but there’s a big difference between: “We allow DRM, but don’t force it” to “We strongly oppose DRM, but allow it and even put it into our own games”. One is just business, the other makes you a hypocrite. And the issue with GOG is that they’re the latter.

See my other reply, they have allowed this much more than 4 times, and their own games have some form of DRM. Plus the amount of games with DRM on steam is much less than 99%, as a general rule if the game is on both platforms it has the same or equivalent DRM. So it’s essentially up to the publisher whether a game will have DRM or not, and because the vast majority of games have the same stance on DRM regardless of platform of purchase citing GOG stance against DRM becomes a moot point.

In short, games on GOG can have DRM and games on Steam can be DRM free. And as a general rule a game’s DRM stance will be the same regardless of store. So if you want to play game X and it’s available on both GOG and Steam, chances are pretty high that it is DRM-free on both, and if it has DRM on steam chances are pretty high it also has DRM on GOG.

Nibodhika, do games w GOG reportedly suffering from staff turnover and poor management: “Current business model is likely running out of steam”

the games I bought off GOG work, unlike Steam

Which games from steam don’t work? I’ve never had any issues at all and I have traveled internationally for years while playing my whole library. I think that might be something specific to some game and that game wouldn’t be available on GOG anyways so it’s a moot point. In other words games work or don’t by their own stance on DRM, and I’m sorry to tell you but

I love their strong DRM stance

That’s a myth. They do allow DRM on their store, there’s a huge thread discussing which games have DRM: www.gog.com/forum/general/…/page1

And that’s just focusing on SP, any MP game has DRM. So I’ll ask again, which game didn’t work on steam when traveling?

Nibodhika, do games w Is it time to start a campaign against kernel-level anticheat?

I can cite way more than 5 excellent games from this decade from the top of my head, We’re almost in 2025, so I’ll limit to games released in or after 2015:

  • Factorio
  • RimWorld
  • Stellaris
  • Fallout 4
  • Overcooked 2 (and all you can eat)
  • Life is Strange
  • Cyberpunk 2077
  • Before your eyes
  • Dead Cells
  • Shadow Tactics
  • Cities Skylines
  • The outer worlds
  • Two point hospital

I can keep going, but this is just from the top of my head, there are always good games getting released, and very rarely they’re AAA.

Nibodhika, do games w The Outer Worlds 2: First Gameplay Trailer

I love the idea of the game, and started playing it. But realistically it needs you to commit to some continuous time otherwise you forget what you’ve learned, and I haven’t had the time yet. I played it for a few days, explored lots of places but didn’t learned anything, possibly I was looking on the wrong planets and trying to figure out how to do it right on that planet got frustrated because I didn’t have something that was needed, or something… But I do love the idea of the game, and I want to go in blind. But some of those puzzles can be really frustrating when you only have a few minutes per day and forgot all about them by the next time you try to solve them.

Nibodhika, do games w The Outer Worlds 2: First Gameplay Trailer

What issues? Who makes it out to be bad? As far as I remember everyone has always loved this game, it’s like saying “despite the issues with Fallout New Vegas, it’s not as bad as people make it out to be”, or Skyrim, or Red dead redemption 2, it’s the kind of game I don’t think I’ve ever heard someone complaining about it (except perhaps for the existencial dread caused by finishing such a good game and not knowing what to do next)

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