Big agree on roguelike. It’s both annoying and entertaining how a whole genre of somewhat popular titles are only described in reference to another basically ancient title.
And some of them have gameplay that doesn’t compare all that well to Rogue, but are similar to something else that was considered roguelike! It’s just this vague descriptor with a constantly shifting definition depending on who is using it.
No hate intended towards the titles or the players, just language being funny 🤣
Dude I had sega channel, it was so cool! I believe you could play games all the way through and they grouped them by different genres, and the games changed monthly. They also had contests where you could win prizes. I won a backpack for one! Wish I still had it
I started to use the Japanese term “search action” rather than Metroidvania unironically, sue me.
Yeah, it sounds silly, but it’s descriptive and feels less limiting to me than “a game that looks like Super Metroid and Symphony of the Night”. I love those two, but lots of games do the big interconnected map with ability gates, and they’re not that close to them.
Some of those even don’t have a map made of blue rectangles! Only like 90% of them.
Really, if we can do with genre names that are not built like that in general, all the better. I’m not going to the library to read a FrankenDracula or a DuneFoundation or whatever.
You mentioned the -likes ones, which I really don’t like, but “Soulslike” takes the cake and I absolutely loathe using it. Might be a bit biased here because I think Fromsoft’s Souls games feel very bland and I really enjoy Team Ninja’s versions of this genre, instead (had an absolute blast with Nioh and Wo Long, and am currently addicted to Stranger of Paradise)
I like the term boomer shooter. The reason is the alliteration. But more importantly…
Rookie Level 1 Gamer: “They’re called boomer shooters because they’re old like baby boomers”
Veteran Level 20 Gamer: “Baby boomers thought Doom was satanic, that’s a stupid term”
Enlightened Level 60 Gamer: “They’re called boomer shooters because of the huge debt they owe to the original Doom modding scene and therefore “Boom”, one of the first limit-removing source ports”
GigaChad Level 80 gamer: “Who cares. My ego isn’t so delicate as to have my sensibilities offended by whatever the fuck you want to call it. If you think something like ‘MyHouse.wad’ is something that is for “bOoMeRs” (a.k.a. anyone old enough to know that it’s called a “VCR,” not a “VHS player”) then you’re the one missing out… not me.”
My eyes gloss over a little bit when I hear “modern platformer” but my most hated would be full loot RPG. A paradise for greifers, not fun for anyone else.
Scathe… got “scathing” reviews. Articles were written about problems with the environmental design, weapon designs, lack of imagination in aesthetic appeal in the enemy designs, the AI… but not once did anyone point out a problem with it being in a sub genre called “boomer shooter.”
Wrath: Aeon of Ruin not only duplicated Quake by using the Quake engine, having amazing level design, and the 90’s appeal of run n’ gun, but it also matched Quakes failures in that the Dev team left and had to be replaced. Right now Wrath is stuck in perpetual Early Release with no completion date in site. I’m sure the reason for that is its sub genre of “boomer shooter,” right?
How about Amid Evil? I spent a couple hours streaming that last night. It was an absolute blast. I haven’t been on a caffeine bender like that in years. I’m looking forward to streaming it again as soon as possible. I can’t wait to play it and its new DLC that’s about to drop. Obviously Amid Evils success is going to be because of the term, “boomer shooter.”
That term has obviously done so much harm or good….
Or it doesn’t fucking matter at all and this is a frivolous waste of time to whine about (as I’ve pointed out in more than one article I’ve posted).
We could be discussing something useful, but what matters to people is their egos. How important it is what term is used for a class of FPS games? People tried to argue with me about the fact the term “boomer shooter” is years old. Something that two seconds on google would make clear. But ego… I have had several people tell me they’d KILL people for using the term… I guess that’s acceptable behavior?
Okay, you win. Focus on trivialities while the industry moves on shaking it’s head while you shake your fist at clouds. But please, don’t forget to complain about not being taken seriously and for damned sure point out something trivial in what I wrote here, because that will matter.
Thank you for defending him. I’m sad to see you were the only one. I had an ulterior motive for my post. I apologized to him and explained my motivation.
Whoa calm down, While I was a bit harsh, I definitely didn’t mean any hostilities you might have picked up from this.
Genre names are just names of the genres. They have no bearing on the actual quality of the games that they categorize. There are good games in poorly named genres and bad games in aptly named genres.
I was just sharing my thoughts on what the industry calls them and wondering what other people thought about them
And I’m sorry for using you as the sacrificial lamb.
You have every right to ask the question, and you even did it reasonably.
I find it interesting that when I spend time writing an article and cross posting it, this is the level of vitriol I receive. It’s over the top and no one deserves this, especially someone that is just asking…
“Hey, what does anyone think about X?”
Least of all anyone that took their own time to publish something to spark discussion. Thank you for doing that. Thank you for not just posting a link to an article. Thank you for spending some time, considering, and then engaging.
I wish more people were inclined to do that. More people should rush to your defense for what I posted. Some people should even learn from it. Sadly, I doubt that will happen.
I honestly wish you well and hope you will post again in the future. I look forward to what you have to say.
“I actually believe Cyberpunk on launch was way better than it was received, and even the first reviews were positive,” he concludes. "Then it became a cool thing not to like it.
How are you planning to fix your image when you’re still saying shit like this?
I don’t think he’s completely wrong. A lot of people felt similarly. I know SkillUp felt similarly that if you had a really good PC and could overlook the (unforgiveable, admittedly) bugs, it had a lot going for it.
I knew almost nothing about the game and went into it completely without assumptions or preconceptions. I played it immediately at launch on XBone and didn’t stop for a few hundred hours of total game time. I was completely blown away.
Did it crash here and there? Was it lurchy and buggy? Did bikes sometimes get stuck in the pavement like it was sand? Did you wind up smashing an unconscious person’s head through the earth a la “Rock Bottom” every 4 or 5 times you tried to be sneaky? Yeah.
Despite that, was it one of the greatest games I’ve ever played? Fuck yeah.
People had genuine problems and a game should never launch in the state that CP77 was in, but I completely agree with him that it became cool to rip on the game.
Same for me, basically played it for 100 hours straight with as little sleep as possible… yeah it was buggy and the story was rushed in some places, but the overall experience was great for me.
Glad you like this. I’m trying to do at least one quality article per day on the subject. If you’ll notice there’s an article I linked to that I wrote yesterday. I hope you’ll enjoy it as well.
Gloomhaven is amazing on tabletop and on the PC. I feel like the PC version added a lot of great visuals to the game and made it feel more immersive, while also sticking to the original rules and game play. I’m not a console gamer, but if you are, I highly recommend it. Can be played solo or with friends.
Jaws of the Lion is definitely easier to get into. The organization is all done for you. Opening the Gloomhaven box is a vastly different experience. It’s like opening a box of Legos and wondering how the hell everything is going to go together. Literally had to go to a sporting goods store and buy fishing tackle boxes to organize everything!
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