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Pamasich, w Kbin badly needs a facelift

seeing "span" and other tags instead of the actual code block

If you're using Firefox or Kiwi, the Kbin Enhancement Suite userscript now has a fix for this. There's also a standalone version here.

Well, for the span tags, I haven't seen other tags being an issue. If you see a code block where the same issue occurs with other tags, tell me so I can update it.

If there is another Reddit exodus, for example, or if we get a surge due to the Threads thing, I feel like many will just turn back due to the UI alone.

I don't know if ernest's views changed since the last exodus, but iirc people joining the platform wasn't really his intention, it just happened. Kbin hasn't even had a proper full release yet, it's still beta software, so I don't think people bouncing off is that big an issue yet.

With the abandonment of Artemis (formerly kmoon), kbin is now only really usable by the mobile site.

That's the case for now, but app development is still happening with other projects:

  • ernest has mentioned intentions to revive his kbin app project
  • Lemmy's Lunar (ios) app is adding kbin support
  • @jwr1 introduced their Interstellar app prototype for Android recently.
density,
@density@kbin.social avatar

I understood OP to be talking about mobile specifically. If there is a way to get the userstyles on mobile it's gotta be like 20 steps long. If someone could somehow wrap it all up in an easy package that would be one thing but idk if it's really a viable solution.

Pamasich,

I understood OP to be talking about mobile specifically.

And that's why I said Firefox or Kiwi. Both of those are mobile browsers (the latter is chromium) that support extensions, so you can just install your favorite monkey and stylus and add userscripts/userstyles the exact same way as on desktop.

H2SO4, w Kbin badly needs a facelift

I get your frustration. In the meantime, you can use a browser extension to customize KBin. I personally use FF on mobile and the addon called Stylus

There are magazines for customizing KBin like this:

  • @kbinStyles
  • @enhancement
melroy, w Prototype for new Kbin app: Interstellar
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

We welcome these projects very much! Thank you so much for your time and effort! Such an app is much requested.

Ps. My advise is to check the nodeinfo (example) and validate the software name, so you can easily switch between mbin/kbin if required in the future.

jwr1,
@jwr1@kbin.social avatar

Thanks, that's helpful.

melroy,
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

You're welcome. I'm part of the Mbin community (in fact the 'M' stands for Melroy). If you need more help or having issues, feel free to contact me when you need!! I'm also on Matrix.

TheArstaInventor,
@TheArstaInventor@kbin.social avatar

Melroy, if you don't mind me asking, why did you go away from Kbin to start your own? I see nothing wrong with Kbin, ernest seems to be a great hardworking guy, I feel like we are just spreading the already small community too thin, Kbin is already small compared to Lemmy and now only the development has started picking up it's pace back again, another spinoff of Kbin makes no sense to me personally.

I wish you just contributed directly to Kbin man.

melroy,
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

I contributed a lot kbin directly in the past. It has a long history and story. Long story short: Ernest was offline for months without process, and contributors weren't allowed to merge other PRs, except their own. The way of working within the kbin project means that only Ernest will have the last say and every review goes via him. Development halted when he was gone (yes he is now back). Multiple contributors had the same feeling, hence the reason for a fork. Mbin is community focused, it's not driver my a single owner. All contributors have all rights. We work closer together and review each other code. I speak for myself, but I feel that this change of approach empowered all contributors in Mbin and more sense of responsibility. After all the drama at Kbin, Ernest didn't change either. So I'm glad a fork was created. I wish it wasn't needed.

TheArstaInventor,
@TheArstaInventor@kbin.social avatar

Did you guys talk about this to Ernest? What did he have to say about this?

ernest,
@ernest@kbin.social avatar

I feel that our visions for the project's development are too different for this to succeed. At this stage, it will definitely be better to work on our own things, /kbin is open source, so there is no issue with that. There are several reasons for this link, link

TheArstaInventor,
@TheArstaInventor@kbin.social avatar

Thank you for the reply.

From my point of view, you were offline because you had personal issues to deal with, and you dealt with that first, and simply resumed the development after that, and I also see no issues with Ernest being the owner because he is the owner and the founder despite the project being open source and sure, contributions had to go through him but that's fine as long as Kbin itself isn't dead, if it was, then asking him to remove that process would be more reasonable to let the rest of the community try to revive the project, but Kbin wasn't dying or so, it was merely paused for a short period of time.

I personally won't be hopping in-between projects like a kangaroo, I am invested and am already on Kbin so far, its good to have alternatives generally, but in this case, I personally see no reason to go for Mbin. I also encourage and hope potential future contributors focus on a set of projects and not spread themselves too thin.

We all have a life outside the internet, so pauses or breaks here and there is natural, this is less visible in big tech companies, more visible in small startups/projects in early stages which was really the case with Kbin, so we should be patient, I will be atleast :)

ThatOneKirbyMain2568, w Blocking and Downvote Stalking
@ThatOneKirbyMain2568@kbin.social avatar

Bad idea imo.

Blocking someone means, "I want nothing to do with this person," so it makes sense that you'll be unable to see what they do. This should include direct messages, threads, comments, etc. @PugJesus's idea of a setting to hide votes from blocked users is a great idea, as you should be able to fully ignore someone you've blocked.

It also makes sense that someone you've blocked wouldn't be able to do any 1-on-1 interaction with you. If you've blocked somebody because they're spamming or harassing you, it wouldn't be great for them to be able to DM you.

However, preventing them from voting on your posts is something different entirely, as votes don't just concern the creator of the post and the person doing the voting; they also concern everyone who sees the post. Upvoting a comment is a message not just to the creator but also to everyone else that you like that comment, and the same goes for downvoting. Blocking voting is much more farther reaching than blocking DMs, and with votes being visible on the fediverse, it's a great way for trolls to hide people's views on their posts.


EDIT: Typo

wagesj45,
@wagesj45@kbin.social avatar

But if a troll blocks everyone that down votes them, eventually no one will be left to see their stuff. It is a self solving problem. On the other hand, a troll that you block can interfere with your stuff being shown to others depending on the sorting algorithm.

ThatOneKirbyMain2568, w I'm starting to see some serious downsides to being able to see who downvotes you.
@ThatOneKirbyMain2568@kbin.social avatar

While that's definitely a notable downside, I think the upsides outweigh it.

For one, being able to see upvotes & downvotes seems to have made a lot of people a bit more thoughtful with handing them out. This obviously isn't the case for everyone — there's still a good bit of downvoting people for disagreeing with the hivemind — but I and others have observed that downvote quality is a lot better here on kbin.social, and I think that vote visibility is a big part of that.

It's also just transparency on kbin.social's part. If votes federate, anyone can set up an instance to view your votes or just go to one that shows them. Someone could literally make a website listing downvotes throughout the fediverse, and there's nothing stopping them. Kbin.social is being transparent about the fact that votes on the fediverse can be accessed by the public, and I have no issue with that.

EDITː Removed a stray asterisk

livus,
@livus@kbin.social avatar

@ThatOneKirbyMain2568

Kbin.social is being transparent about the fact that votes* on the fediverse can be accessed by the public

This is important. The kind of petty, persevering trolls that @billothekid2 is worried about are exactly the kind of people who'd be likely to look up who downvoted them.

Kbin just makes it clear to us that this info is out there. Anonymous voting isn't possible in federated social media.

ernest, w Where can I find documentation on how federation works?
@ernest@kbin.social avatar
0xtero, w Where can I find documentation on how federation works?
Book, w Is kbin social and kbin cafe run by the same person?

Omg I just asked the same question!
(Edit) My bad I just realized it was my post.

gullible,

Just wanted to let you know that this is the best thing I’ve read on the fediverse, and by a fair margin at that.

ernest, w Feature comparison - kbin vs Lemmy
@ernest@kbin.social avatar

These points are not a priority, but relatively easy to achieve. They will gradually appear on the instance in between working on significant things. It's worth following https://kbin.social/m/kbinDevlog

ernest,
@ernest@kbin.social avatar

I'm just wondering about 'spoiler alert' - what is it exactly? I haven't delved into Lemmy's code for a long time.

massive_bereavement,
@massive_bereavement@kbin.social avatar

I would guess it's the capacity of masking text through markdown for spoiler purposes:
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/104

Teppic,
@Teppic@kbin.social avatar

::: spoiler masking text
Like this?
:::
kbin does that just fine.

Damaskox,
@Damaskox@kbin.social avatar

Oh my Deity how did you do that?!

I've been cursing enviously for days when I see a spoiler (system) I couldn't use myself!
I didn't get Lemmy's style to work.

ernest,
@ernest@kbin.social avatar

::: spoiler hidden text title
hidden text
:::

::: spoiler hidden text title 
hidden text
:::

Damaskox,
@Damaskox@kbin.social avatar

::: spoiler test
Does this thing work?
:::

sigh Finally.
Now I just need to find a convenient way to save this piece of code and copy-paste it whenever I need it 🤔

.


...except that when I wrote more text into this comment, the code broke 🤔

Upon further testing - if I edit a text, the spoiler stops working. When I update the page, the spoiler works again.

ernest,
@ernest@kbin.social avatar

Indeed, I missed that case, thanks.

DarkThoughts,

Now I just need to find a convenient way to save this piece of code and copy-paste it whenever I need it 🤔

Honestly, I'd just suggest to add a button for it in the editor after the code one? I think it's a common enough thing to use to warrant it. For every other formatting maybe a little link for a pop up or expandable that shows the remaining formatting rules, similar to how it was on old.reddit.

Damaskox, w /kbin Translations
@Damaskox@kbin.social avatar

Oooh this is so cool!

I started translating finnish language right away!

EDIT: 79 translations, 34 suggestions, 34 pending suggestions and 33 comments feels like heavy-duty for one session straight!

PugJesus, w /kbin Road to Release devlog series
@PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

Ernest, we all appreciate all the hard work you put into this place. Thank you!

ernest, w To those genuinely interested in moderating
@ernest@kbin.social avatar

Yep, another way is to choose abandoned from the list of magazines, soon it will be more sensibly sorted ;)

https://kbin.social/magazines/abandoned

PugJesus,
@PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

There's a 'jailbait' mag there that should just be deleted.

daredevil,

I've taken care of it. 🙂

livus,
@livus@kbin.social avatar

@daredevil hey how did you get rid of it altogether?

I just noticed we had a "frenworld" (copy of a subreddit that was notoriously racist, antisemitic etc) and requested ownership thinking I could delete it but now it's listed as a magazine I mod and I can't seem to either delete it or detatch myself from it. I don't want it listed under mags I mod! Help!

@Ernest @ernest @PugJesus

PugJesus,
@PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

If memory serves the option is at the very bottom under the first page of the magazine panel.

livus,
@livus@kbin.social avatar

@PugJesus you mean the Delete button? I hit that but all it did was change it to a "Restore" button.

I think this means people get "Empty" when they visit @frenworld. But the racist magazine is still listed on my profile as a magazine I moderate, which is the last thing I want.

PugJesus,
@PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

Hm. The ones I deleted are removed from my profile.

bluGill,

Seems like names like that should be in a 'if you create the mag you are automatically banned ).

Auster, w /kbin Issues

Is this thread monitored? Asking because, from what I observed, that federated Hexbear(dot)net users and communities don't seem to be possible to block. Or should I use the contact form?

xep,

I've noticed this too. Is there any workaround? Some Hexbear users are egregious and clutter up posts with meaningless noise.

Raffster,

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  • Auster,

    Since this appear to be the most proper thread, I'll keep posting as I see issue. Hopefully a staff member will see the bug reports, then.

    Lodespawn, w /kbin Issues

    Is there a way to stop videos and audio from autoplaying? Browsing kbin on Firefox mobile and it keeps randomly playing some unknown audio.

    Seraph, w Is Kbin dying? I wanted to address the deleted thread and provide some insight into the current situation.
    @Seraph@kbin.social avatar

    If I can't meet the deadline, I will step down from leading the project and transfer full rights over the repository and instance to the contributors.

    I respect you entirely but this is a bit dramatic. Not all projects can be on time due to complications and no one is asking you to step down. Please just do what is necessary - you're doing fantastic!

    Looking forward to the first version!

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