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KittyCat, (edited ) do gaming w Star Trek: Bridge Commander (2002)

One of the most modable games ever if you know what you’re doing. In the install I have on my pc the only original file remaining is the .exe, its closer to 20Gb rather than the original 750Mb. Unfortunately the old mod repository died years ago, I have some backed up plus the ones I wrote but its maybe 1% of what was out there.

One neat thing is how robust the engine is, throw it enough power and it has no issue with huge models, or breaking universe.

Some old screenshots I found: imgur.com/a/FILLe0n(Pic uploader seems to be down unfortunately)

NOPper,

Awesome! Any way we could convince you to archive the mods somewhere? I’d seed a torrent or something for sure.

KittyCat,

I don’t have many of the raw mods anymore, but I do have a ton of modified versions in my install of the game. Mostly modified from me moving around hard points and adjusting parameters to improve balance. I could probably share my entire install somehow, I’m pretty sure it’ll work out of the box on most computers at least up to Windows 10.

vinhill, do gaming w I just love collecting them all!

But honestly, what would be better?

No launchers at all? They do help to organize the game library, synchronize saves across devices, enable achievements and friend lists, make it possible to share game libraries, install all your games from a single place, have a shop to discover new games. Steam even provides basic APIs for games to enable multiplayer. Many of these things could be baked into the game, though that would be extra work some devs might not do.

One centralised launcher? Such a monopoly might lead to problems such as higher prices / less money for game devs (especially the good indie studios that don’t have negotiation power), less innovation around that launcher and less effort towards a good experience with few bugs etc.

Strykker,

The problem isn’t launchers like steam or origin etc. it’s that when you install a EA game with steam you end up launching both steam and origin to play. Same with Ubisoft and Uplay.

The game should run without the specific launcher, so that it works with any launcher. Not this launcher inception nested dolls bullshit we have today

SkyeStarfall, do gaming w Star Trek: Bridge Commander (2002)

Graphics are overrated, and people who “won’t play a game because it has bad graphics” are missing out on so so much

Psaldorn, do gaming w Star Trek: Bridge Commander (2002)
@Psaldorn@lemmy.world avatar

Cutting the nacelles off enemy ships with the sweet dynamic mesh effect never gets old.

Take out all their weapons, propulsion. Just life support and warp core left.

Still not surrendering?

Oh well… torpedos, full spread!

Stamets,
@Stamets@startrek.website avatar

I feel like we are playing drastically different games… My sovereign keeps having its shit pushed in and does like no damage to enemy shields.

Psaldorn,
@Psaldorn@lemmy.world avatar

I haven’t played in a while, I found it’s usually about spreading their damage over your shields while trying to keep your damage concentrated on one of their shield zones, then targeting the shield generators.

If all else fails, try spinning, that’s a good trick

Stamets,
@Stamets@startrek.website avatar

Not physically possible. The sovereign doesn’t have the ability to move that quickly. My shields are getting drained in less than two attack runs from a Bird of Prey which keeps cloaking and coming from an angle to attack my dorsal or ventral shields. Ship doesn’t roll fast enough.

I genuinely gave up on the game.

elbarto777, do gaming w Star Trek: Bridge Commander (2002)

Were the graphics bad for their time?

LWD, (edited ) do gaming w I just love collecting them all!

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  • Sheeple,
    @Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

    laughs in multiMC

    pkpenguin,

    Nah get on Prism

    guiguinofake,

    The curseforge launcher is the worst launcher I’ve ever used. Best launcher imo is PolyMC, it’s a fork of MultiMC that adds a bunch of really nice features like being able to download mods directly from the launcher.

    Neon,

    PolyMC now is PrismLauncher

    The original team was kicked off the Github Repo and made a new Fork the called PrismLauncher

    It was quite the Drama

    guiguinofake,

    Didn’t know that, thanks for the info

    at_an_angle, do gaming w Star Trek: Bridge Commander (2002)

    There are games where everything about them sucks but I still love them.

    Body Harvest for the N64 is a classic in my head.

    directive0, do gaming w Star Trek: Bridge Commander (2002)
    @directive0@lemmy.world avatar

    Battlefield 1942 - Desert Combat mod.

    I still play it with just bots to kill time. Its just so good. The apache flight model is a thing of pure beauty.

    canis_majoris, do gaming w Star Trek: Bridge Commander (2002)
    @canis_majoris@lemmy.ca avatar

    You could do some dirty things in Bridge Commander. If you disabled the enemy shields I believe one of the actions you could take was transporting people off the ship.

    Honestly that tactic is kind of universe breaking - imagine the thing to do is just beam the bridge crew into space with a large transporter; such an easy way to totally knock out a ship.

    7of9,
    @7of9@startrek.website avatar

    O’Brien did that in DS9 as a last resort

    aeronmelon, do gaming w Star Trek: Bridge Commander (2002)

    Voyager: Elite Force

    Stamets,
    @Stamets@startrek.website avatar

    Voyager: Elite Force

    And added to my downloads.

    TheMongoose,

    Have you not played it? :o

    A fully voice acted (by the Voyager cast!) original story in the Delta quadrant.

    Assuming you like FPS games, you're in for a treat!

    Stamets,
    @Stamets@startrek.website avatar

    I have not! I am indeed looking forward to it

    c0mbatbag3l,
    @c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s on GOG if you’re trying to find it.

    Public servers are still available through the Pathfinder project! It’s mostly bots, but occasionally a free for all match with like half a dozen people kicks off.

    Either way the single player is a fun little “ST two parter” level plot with some new characters backing up the OG cast.

    aeronmelon,

    I’m not going to pretend I’ve played every Star Trek video game, but I think Elite Force is actually the best Star Trek video game ever made.

    canis_majoris,
    @canis_majoris@lemmy.ca avatar

    There are tons of RP mods for RPGx which is built on Voyager: Elite Force - the main community is TLO (The Last Outpost) who host the servers and run community events - although my experience with this was a few years ago, so maybe the community has shifted somewhat.

    RPGx has a ton of custom maps including full size recreations of starships and random environments.

    Son_of_dad, do gaming w Star Trek: Bridge Commander (2002)

    I’ve been looking for fun wrestling video games and discovered Wrestling Empire, that ugly ass, janky game is fun as hell, even if it looks like a turd.

    Olhonestjim, do gaming w I just love collecting them all!

    The clear solution is a single centralized launcher for all these launchers.

    kewwwi,
    reksas,

    And after some years, launcher-launcher-launcher

    graymess,

    Playnite does a great job at this. GOG Galaxy isn’t bad either last I checked.

    The_Picard_Maneuver, do gaming w Star Trek: Bridge Commander (2002)
    @The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website avatar

    I should probably add this game to my list

    Stamets,
    @Stamets@startrek.website avatar

    Check discord in 5 minutes

    Matriks404, do gaming w I just love collecting them all!

    Remember times when there were no launcher? Just double click and you’re running the game. Good times indeed.

    Blue_Morpho,

    Steam was considered an abomination when it was released. Drm and a launcher to run HL2? GTFO.

    Yet here we are where everyone loves Steam. Its no surprise other companies wanted to follow knowing that in 20 years, a horrible consumer policy could become beloved.

    SCB,

    www.reddit.com/gallery/155tkw0

    Takes from gamers never change. They’re always, consistently, horrible meme-takes.

    KrummsHairyBalls,

    When it was released? Steam ran like shit for me until probably 2017. It’s finally a usable piece of software.

    I also prefer steam because steam comes with a lot of benefits. If steam was still just a launcher and nothing more, I think most people would take issue with it today. That’s just not the case, though.

    Easy way to manage games, huge sales, support forums, easy way to manage friends, steam workshop, support for pretty much every controller, fast download servers

    And one thing that people probably don’t realize, is that steam will work with developers to implement patches. Many times when I play old games I’ll go to PC gaming wiki and see that I need a few patches and mods to make the game work, but the wiki will say that those patches and mods were implemented into the steam release. It’s really nice.

    rekliner,

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  • KrummsHairyBalls,

    My steam VR works fine, what’s the issue with it?

    Strykker,

    Steam vr has been simple for me, with multiple ways to launch into vr. Either launch the specific game I want to play first in VR mode, or justaunch steam vr and select the game from inside the VR room.

    yamanii,
    @yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

    I wonder what you played because it’s the complete opposite for me, I got fed up with steam and old games so I started buying old ones exclusively on GoG because they do come with community patches.

    SuperSpruce,

    Interesting. I’ve only had Steam since 2017 but currently it’s the slowest it’s ever been.

    It takes 20s to start and 5s to shut down on fast hardware. This is 6x slower than the electron-based open source Heroic launcher. It’s also 20x slower than opening a web browser, considerably slower than opening Word, LibreOffice, unmodded Factorio, Kdenlive (a full-featured video editor), Cities Skylines 2 (known for poor optimization lol), or even the 11GB Quartus Prime (used for programming FPGAs) It’s not far off from Windows itself.

    The only apps slower to open than Steam are large games, some pro-level software, and the absolutely horrific MS Teams desktop app and Epic Games Store.

    KrummsHairyBalls,

    It takes 20s to start and 5s to shut down on fast hardware.

    I just timed mine. Less than 7 seconds to start up, less than 1 second to shut down.

    My PC is fast, but nothing amazing. CPU is i7-8700K, 16GB DDR4 RAM, and a gen 4 nvme limited to gen 3 speeds.

    SuperSpruce,

    Weird. I have a Ryzen 9 5900HX (about Ryzen 7 3700 performance), Radeon RX6800M (15% slower than RX6700XT), 32GB DDR4 RAM, and a 2TB 970 Evo Plus SSD, which is 40% filled right now.

    I know a lot of the recent increase in the launch and shut down time of Steam has to do with this stupid splash screen. It waits for the network for about 8s even though I have good Internet, and takes a long time to do other stuff as well.

    reksas,

    Do you even use steam? There is reason why its so loved. Everything else they bring is good enough price for me for steam being a launcher and drm.

    Only problem I have with steam is worrying what will happen if valve goes bad or disappears in the future. But I hope it has sunk in to them by now that they will get much more money by being customer friendly and nice instead of being pieces of shit like some of the competition. I still hope that gog will become good competitor to steam.

    Facebones,

    On a functional level, I think the obsession with ownership is overrated. If you collect physical media, for the sake of collecting, sure. On steam though, we all know you’re lying if you say you’ve played half the shit in your library. Maybe a quarter to any meaningful level.

    That being said, I love watching the people who think they’re going to have some claim to a mass refund if it did shut down.

    reksas,

    I’d say i have 1/4 unplayed games, maybe little less because I have many games that I played before steam started tracking gametime. But most of those are from family share anyway. I find it insane how some people just buy games and never even install them.

    And I know there is no way I would be getting anything back if steam suddenly shut down, you are effectively buying a licence to play anyway instead of full ownership. But this is the world we have to put up with and steam is the least shit thing about how game industry works nowdays. Without steam I effectively just couldnt play games by now, which is also kind of troubling. Though if steam never existed and there had been nothing like it, managing all the games would have been nightmare even if you ignore updating them.

    Aceticon, (edited )

    Steam will stop working in Windows 7 from the 1st of January.

    So decades of games that run perfectly fine on older computers (some lauched as little ago as a couple of years) will stop working if you got them on Steam.

    Meanwhile in GOG you can get offline installers which will keep on working forever and ever in the hardware and software the game is compatible with.

    Have Steam = be forced periodically to update your computer to keep on playing something you’ve had for ages. (Mind you, the workaround is to use Linux to play steam games, but people should not be forced to install it and deal with it just to play games from the previous generation - which are still fine as games go, since the gameplay is great and the additional eyecandy for more recent hardware does little to improve gameplaying fun - and in fact are not forced to if they got the games from GOG).

    You most definitelly traded something quite big for the moderate convenience from Steam, it’s just that you pay it in a delayed way and think “this is great” all the way till then.

    5too,

    Will they stop working, or will the launcher stop working? I haven’t tried all my titles, but I know many of my older games launch fine without Steam kicking them off.

    Aceticon, (edited )

    I am waiting to see what happens, since we’re not yet at the 1st of January (it’s for 2024, not 2023 - sorry for forgetting to point it out)

    This is about games that check with Steam when they start to see if you’re authorized to launch them, even though it’s not the game itself that needs anything from Steam, and Steam is just the DRM layer.

    Steam says they will stop supporting the Steam Launcher for Windows 7, so does that mean only the application frontend stuff (the store, downloading of games you bought and so on) or does it also include the components used by games with Steam as DRM to check if you’re authorized to run them?

    I suspect it’s the latter (since Windows 7 is now all of 5% or so of the installed base and the legislation about digital purchases is crap so they’re not forced to refund your for removing your access to the games you bought, so they could get away with it), but hope it’s only the former.

    It would be hilarious (in a near insane wierdly laughing kind of way) if I had to use a pirate hacked steam DLL to play my own games from Steam.

    ganoo,
    @ganoo@sh.itjust.works avatar

    That’s definitely a Windows issue and not a Steam issue.

    Aceticon,

    So far it’s just a warning from Steam that it will happen on the 1st of January 2024, and it’s definitelly not an issue with Windows: Valve is chosing that the Steam launcher will not be supported in a specific Windows version anymore, and because most games bought via Steam check with Steam on startup in order to start - even when that’s not at all required by the game itself - it might mean (depending of how they do it) that games will simply refuse to start even though the game itself was and still is 100% compatible with that version of Windows.

    reksas,

    There are many hills to die on about what is wrong with the world and I dont think steam is among the first one should choose imo. But yea, there are things that could be better with steam even if I personally havent had problem with it. Its just that valve not being just as shitty as other corporations seems to be the best we can hope for. I rather have them than nothing or something worse.

    Aceticon,

    Over three decades of gaming and almost as much of software engineering means I’m pretty weary of things with unecessary dependencies on an external 3rd party, because they’re bound to stop working when that external 3rd party decides to stop supporting it and/or goes bankrupt.

    In my experience this is not a “might happen” thing, it’s an “it always happens” one.

    (This was actually a well discussed subject around Steam back in the day when it first came out: all games with DRM that depend on a server on the Internet maintained by a 3rd party will sooner or later stop working when that company doesn’t feel like supporting it anymore, and this is inherent to that DRM architecture rather than Steam specific)

    I would hardly call “dying on a hill” to prefer to not be dependent on some external company’s mid-level manager’s decisions about what’s “outdated” for stuff I would like or need to keep on working.

    reksas,

    That is true. I shall try to keep your point in mind actually, I should add this to the list of things i need to consider about backing stuff up and preserving things I can that might disappear.

    only0218,

    Manual updated are an hassle

    li10, do gaming w Star Trek: Bridge Commander (2002)

    Sometimes a good game is just a good game regardless of age.

    And graphics in particular are often overrated, as design is often more important than resolution. 4k isn’t going to help a game that’s bland and uninspired.

    I always use dark souls as an example; you zoom into the textures and it looks awful, but you look at it as a whole and it looks incredible.

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