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CaptainBasculin, do games w Valve adds "all the Team Fortress 2 client and server game code" to its Source mod tools, letting modders "build completely new games based on TF2" and publish them on Steam

Aside from TF Classic and Pre Fortress, Pass Time 4v4 community is also planning for a mod release.

Anegro_Montoya, (edited )

Goddamn, I miss those days! Got a real graphics card for TF2 (edit: I meant TF Classic) so I could see through water. Rocket jumping and cluster bombs, ahhhh. There was a mod with a grappling hook that was amazing.

Gerudo,

3dfx cards were cheating! I can’t see through water with my 1998 Packard Bell!

the_q,

Sup, fellow old person. I had a Voodoo 2 with 12MB of VRAM on my 200MHz Packard Bell.

roguetrick,

What’s the point in switching to TFC anyway when QWTF was still quite alive and well with tons of mods(particularly on mplayer)!

Gerudo,

MPlayer. Your gaming cred checks out. How are your knees doing these days?

Bubs, do games w Valve adds "all the Team Fortress 2 client and server game code" to its Source mod tools, letting modders "build completely new games based on TF2" and publish them on Steam
@Bubs@lemm.ee avatar

A few takeaways from the move:

  • Any modifications must be released as mods
  • Players downloading the mods must own the base game
  • The mods must be free and no aspect of the mod can be monetized.
  • The mods can now access TF2 steam inventory for cosmetics and weapons (but cannot modify the inventory)
glimse,

Ugh, greedy Valve making you spend $0 to buy the base game

[Edit] ok I read the article after making that joke and I see that it applies to several other valve games, not all of which are free to play

misk, (edited )
@misk@sopuli.xyz avatar

Yeah, as a resident Valve hater I agree it’s a weird thing to get angry over.

If there was anything to get angry over is that I bought this game in a box (stand alone because I was too broke for Orange Box!) with an understanding that it’s an online multiplayer shooter. Meaning, there are servers you join manually from a list, shoot at other guys for a bit and return to that server or not based on how good time it was. This functionality has been ripped out of the game and replaced with some weird algorithm. Before that Valve broke their own design promises of clear silhouettes which made the game less accessible. The game has been dead, riddled with bots farming in-game items that can be traded for real money that Valve added to the game because they could. If it was any other game I wouldn’t care but TF2 started out as an amazing game that was mangled beyond recognition by Valve greed.

They should have released TF2 source code this way 10 years ago. They’re probably doing this now because income from TF2 related items on Marketplace is laughably small compared to their other titles.

2xsaiko,
@2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

The server list is still there fwiw. But yeah the matchmaking update was awful.

Feathercrown,

This functionality has been ripped out of the game

Nope, see the server browser ingame

The game has been dead, riddled with bots

Not anymore!

octopus_ink,

Not anymore!

Oh I gotta fire up TF2! These sorts of shenanigans are the main reason I drifted away years ago.

Feathercrown,

Yeah it was rough for a year or two there… but Valve did a massive banwave and now I’ve only seen a group of bots join my server twice in the last year, and we could kick them easily

verdigris,

Most players are using casual mode which is terrible. The community servers in TF2 are a pale shadow of what they once were.

Feathercrown,

Casual’s fine

verdigris,

Yeah you’d think that if you never played before it ruined the entire game.

Feathercrown,

I’ve played TF2 for years-- only, after Meet Your Match. (Wow this game is old…)

verdigris,

I’m a Valve stan but it’s disgusting how they’ve abused and neglected TF2. It would unironically be significantly better if they just rolled back every change since 2016.

Bubs,
@Bubs@lemm.ee avatar

Lol. It’s so greedy of them!

Jokes aside. It’s an interesting distinction to make. Even though the source code is freely available, it doesn’t mean developers have free reign to do anything they want like they could with open source software. Apart from special circumstances, everything made with the source code will still be mods.

Excrubulent,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

You can’t do whatever you want with open source either. One big stipulation of copyleft licenses is the share-alike clause, which means you can’t make modifications and then decide your program is now closed-source, so it protects the code from being enclosed again.

I mean yes you can make whatever modifications you want, generally, but it’s not totally unrestricted.

CarbonBasedNPU,

Im honestly a really big fan of copyleft. I think that it seems more “fair” in a system that requires sacrifice to make progress.

BeardedGingerWonder,

It does harken back to the original HL mod scene though - some high quality stuff came out of that (and valve picked up the Devs too)

thermal_shock,

Isn’t this how they all are? L4d and l4d2 are the same unless you’re hosting a server with .smx plugins.

Baggie,

Sort of, but those let you use the pre-existing codebase for each game as is. This lets you play with the inner workings. You could do something drastic like implant rollback netcode, add new classes, wild shit.

thermal_shock,

Gotcha

ShinkanTrain, do gaming w Baldur's Gate 3 Karlach actor hits out at RPG devs trying to recruit them for their Disco Elysium successors: "Miss me with that casting call"

Karlach stays winning

Sunschein,
rtxn, do gaming w Baldur's Gate 3 Karlach actor hits out at RPG devs trying to recruit them for their Disco Elysium successors: "Miss me with that casting call"

Kurvitz and Aleksander Rostov (the lead artist) formed their own company Red Info in 2023. I will only recognise a game as Disco Elysium’s successor if it comes from them.

MissGutsy,

This might be a controversial opinion, but please hear me out: this guy is absolutely overhyped.

I saw the entire ZA/UM situation from the outside without having ever played Disco Elysium before, so I don’t have any stake or bias in what happened. In my personal opinion there are 2 important notes: Yes, Kurvitz is responsible for the creation of one of the best games of all time. He also is a massive asshole who abuses his workers. Both of these can be true and don’t contradict each other.

I can really recommend the Documentation by People Make Games about it, I think they made great and very neutral reporting on it, getting everybody’s side of the story. But one think becomes increasingly clear throughout the video: the original creator is a huge egomaniac.

I came to dislike him the more I heard him talk. He spouts how he comes from this underground punk scene, but also betrays every value that he should hold. He doesn’t think his workers are important and that they should just endure his wrath at all times. He doesn’t see how multiple people can be of importance to a project besides him of course. As soon as the money came in he threw every value he said he’d hold aside to become a huge capitalist, even going so far as making his own shell company that preemptively held the rights to a sequel just so he can profit from it more.

This entire situation is his fault. A “punk” ignores all his anticapitalist values, gives all his intellectual property to a capitalist, capitalism ensues and he becomes bitter because he didn’t get a greater slice of the pie.

Let me be clear: I think a sequel should involve him. But I also believe he shouldn’t be in a lead game designer position, more of a “lead story designer/writer”. He has shown to not be all to competent in that and he WILL abuse his workers again. Somebody needs to be above him to manage his insanity.

Nothing against you, but I think endlessly hyping him up won’t lead to that or even a good outcome. He will squander everything that he will be given. He is not a good person, he is a “Rockstar Developer” and I mean that as an insult.

rtxn,

Shitty people are abundant in the creative industries, I have no delusions about that. Probably even more of those that have no public presence. But that has no bearing on whether or not he should retain sole ownership of his work. It’s an entirely separate issue. Andrzej Sapkowski is also a massive douchebag, but nobody would deny that The Witcher is his property.

MissGutsy,

I totally agree. Problem is just that he legally sold it, so he kinda fucked himself on that. It’s also interesting to see how nobody in that situation seemed to have good intentions, just a bunch of assholes all around

rtxn,

I’m not convinced that is the case. The studio was purchased by a holdings company, then its CEO bought four early sketches of DE from the studio for pocket change. When Kurvitz, Rostov, and Hindpere (writer) objected, they were demoted and later fired. Unless another exchange took place, I don’t see how this would amount to Kurvitz selling his rights; at the very least, he still owns Sacred And Terrible Air (with DE itself naturally belonging to the studio).

prole,

he legally sold it

I think it’s a bit less cut and dry than that…

Magnus,
@Magnus@lemmy.ml avatar

There are also some pretty chill creative people who don’t care about the money and the fame much. Even though having money is nice and makes your life much easier.

RightHandOfIkaros, do games w Elden Ring Nightreign beta invites are apparently so in demand, scalpers are already trying to resell them for hundreds of dollars

People already got invited? I guess that means I wasn’t invited. Would have been nice to at least get an email telling me I was not picked. Like when you go in for an interview and they tell you they will call you but never do. Like, just tell me I am not getting hired lol.

HubertManne, do games w Elden Ring Nightreign beta invites are apparently so in demand, scalpers are already trying to resell them for hundreds of dollars

lol. I only recently finished the maine game. Im good for a few years.

NuXCOM_90Percent, (edited ) do games w Elden Ring Nightreign beta invites are apparently so in demand, scalpers are already trying to resell them for hundreds of dollars

That sounds idiotic and likely staged to increase the actual “accepted” price.

And this is especially funny since I am sitting here wondering if I need to get PS+ to use mine in a week or three? And now realizing I care about Avowed a LOT more than a sunbro run.

RageAgainstTheRich, do games w Elden Ring Nightreign beta invites are apparently so in demand, scalpers are already trying to resell them for hundreds of dollars

People have zero fucking patience… falling over each other to get to test some unfinished beta…

Zahille7,

The fanboys are the worst thing about FromSoft games

Xed, do gaming w Bloodborne still seems a long way from getting an official 60fps port, but fans have finally gotten PS4 emulators to deliver the remaster they’ve wanted for years

This is a nice update

Kaeru, do gaming w Original Final Fantasy programmer reappears after years of silence, casually says writing his legendary code "was pretty simple" and it could even be better

Documentary about FF origins? Are there English subs? If so I need a name desperately fellas!

shyguyblue, do gaming w Original Final Fantasy programmer reappears after years of silence, casually says writing his legendary code "was pretty simple" and it could even be better

Imagine, a time when a full game studio was a dozen guys/gals in a cramped windowless room. Wish we could go back…

MrScottyTay,

Those cramped windowless rooms are open offices. They didn’t have cubicles in them rooms.

RizzRustbolt,

There’s a difference between an Open Office, and a Pit.

shyguyblue,

Yup. I can sit next to a fellow programmer for hours in a pit, but you put me next to some Account Service jackass who’s on the phone all day and I’ll snap!

cm0002,
@cm0002@lemmy.world avatar

It’s still a thing,

That_Devil_Girl, do games w Hideo Kojima seems to be testing Death Stranding 2, but it's not going well: "I fell asleep twice while on a delivery and ran the vehicle into a cliff"
@That_Devil_Girl@lemmy.ml avatar

Is this game… fun? Everything I’ve seen and heard about it doesn’t seem fun at all.

narc0tic_bird, do games w Hideo Kojima seems to be testing Death Stranding 2, but it's not going well: "I fell asleep twice while on a delivery and ran the vehicle into a cliff"

I actually fell asleep playing the original, so…

(not hating on the game, it literally happened though)

simple, do games w Hideo Kojima seems to be testing Death Stranding 2, but it's not going well: "I fell asleep twice while on a delivery and ran the vehicle into a cliff"

This has to be the dumbest clickbait I’ve seen in a while.

It’s literally based off a tweet where Kojima said he fell asleep twice trying to test because he hasn’t slept well. This says nothing about the game itself or “testing not going well”.

L0rdMathias,

And these people demand that we take their job seriously while at the same time writing what is essentially just bad fanfiction about popular game developers/studios.

gcheliotis,

Ah and for a moment there I thought it would have been so cool if a developer were to publicly admit they fell asleep during gameplay…

newthrowaway20,

At the same time, this could be your typical Kojima fuckery where he makes it seem like he’s talking about himself, but he’s actually talking about an exhaustion mechanic from Death Stranding.

ms_lane,

He’s ok.

Don_alForno, do games w Obsidian's new first-person RPG Avowed channels Baldur's Gate 3 in one key way: "The core of RPGs that makes them special is missable content"

The core of. ©RPGs that makes them special is the feeling that you decide what’s going to happen or at least that your choices have an effect on the world. That’s the core appeal of TTRPGs and it doesn’t change for video games.

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