Would have to be either the switch for Mario Kart, Super Smash and Nintendo sports when family is visiting or PS3 for FIFA World Cup 2010 when the lads are visiting. I suspect the switch would age better, though 2010 World Cup is an absolute gem.
I don’t think the single player game selection matters that much as it would grow stale with time anyway.
Aren’t all consoles like that, though? They all run mainstream operating systems, and are basically locked down PCs in a fancy box. If anything, the Steam Deck is further from a PC than an XBox/PS, due to being handheld, with an embedded screen and controller, while XBox and its friends require a display and an external controller (like a PC).
I would say an OS being locked down to prevent normal forms of productivity like Office work or even web browsing at times would be a requirement to be considered a console. They are usually at best a media and game system by design due to the locks in place. So I wouldn’t put Steam Deck in the category of console for the spirit of the discussion.
Consoles are more and more like PCs, with many multimedia, productivity and utilility apps and even web browsing, so the Steam Deck IMO perfectly fits the discussion.
Out of the box it has a strict console-like UI and limited functionality for everything else other than gaming. You need to take special steps to use it as a PC (reboot in desktop mode, attach peripherals, etc)
No not really. Steam Deck I can actually use fully as a desktop replacement, since it is a full Linux desktop and can have Windows OS installed on it too. Can’t do the same with a Switch or PS5 or Xbox. Doesn’t matter what peripherals you attach. Console hardware being locked down holds it back. Even jailbroken ones.
A phone is closer to a desktop equivalent than a console. Especially Samsung with stuff like Dex.
No not really. Steam Deck I can actually use fully as a desktop replacement, since it is a full Linux desktop and you can fully run a desktop Windows OS on it. Can’t do the same with a Switch or PS5 or Xbox. Console OS and it being locked down holds it back. Even jailbroken ones.
A phone is closer to a desktop equivalent than a console. Especially Samsung with stuff like Dex.
There is no strict definition of what a console is. Just because the linux OS is not restricted and the hardware can be used as a pc with extra steps are we excluding the SD from the console topic?
I just consider Steam Deck more PC than console. Even getting games to work requires more tinkering sometimes having to switch proton versions. Console tends to just work in comparison.
I just go by what traditional consoles have been capable of. And only console that comes to mind that even came close to the full functionality of the Steam Deck productivity potential was the PS3 with Linux support before they removed it.
yeah psr could run it if you have an exploited console.
the only console to officially at some point allow for it was the PS3 though.
Alternatively, any xbox one/series is technically capable of running windows in the cloud so you could theoretically get a very expensive cloud pc running on it.
I would say the Steam Deck is excluded. I specified against PC knowing people would either mention the Steam Deck or the Henry Cavill preferring PC meme.
I feel like otherwise Steam’s old Steam machines could also fit under the definition of being a console.
I suppose the unique portable hardware does make a good argument but the way I look at it game developers, for the most part, aren’t making games for the Steam Deck. They are making them for PC and I feel like that’s a big reason why I don’t consider them consoles. I also feel like that’s why devices like the ROG Ally and Steam Deck are considered handheld gaming PCs and not handheld gaming consoles.
I’d still say that’s bypassing the restrictions of the console so it can be something else. It’s like installing DOOM on a smart fridge and calling it a gaming console.
I disagree. It’s a gaming console. It is marketed as such. It’s primary purpose is to run games. By the way, you can browse on the Xbox. And because it has a full-blown browser, you can even use Office365 if you attach a keyboard and a mouse. So lets disqualify that too? :)
Can it run movie editor, code, blender, etc? How many people could be given an Xbox that doesn’t intend to game with it and use it for productivity?
By that loose definition Windows is a console too, since Steam can be launched with big picture mode so the device has a simplistic UI at launch that can be navigated by a controller.
Yes, it can run all that. You may have to jump through a few hoops (just like in the case of the Steam Deck, just different hoops), but it can run all that.
I’ll also turn your question back to you: how many people use the Steam Deck for productivity, rather than for gaming, which is its intended purpose? And does it matter?
Like it or not, the steam deck is a gaming console, even if you can run non-game stuff on it too. Heck, even stuff like the Game Boy had (official!) accessories like the Game Boy Camera and Game Boy Printer, which were both useful outside of gaming. Does that stop the Game Boy from being a (retro) gaming console? There’s an ongoing project to provide productivity apps for the Game Boy (though, arguably, it did not ship yet, but you can extend the game boy with a cartridge in whatever way you can imagine).
Or, you can use your SNES as a MIDI Synthesizer (www.supermidipak.com)! No modding or anything necessary, it’s just a regular cartridge. Can it be used for fun? Yes. Is it a game? No. You can do a lot of stuff with an SNES cartridge that has nothing to do with gaming. There was even a cartridge that let you play online games on the SNES (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XBAND) - but not only games, it also let you read and write messages to other people. You didn’t need to go into “desktop mode”, nor install a browser, nor do anything special. You plugged in the cartridge, and it worked. It was far less locked down than the XBox or even the Steam Deck! Does that disqualify the SNES (or the game boy) from being a gaming console?
By your definition I don’t see why PC wouldn’t be a console, since being to do some things doesn’t exclude it. And why exclude PC as console just because it can do a lot of things.
Wikipedia that you referred to before calls Steam deck a handheld gaming computer. If Steam Deck is a console why wouldn’t a gaming PC fall into the category of console.
This all seems arbitrary. It is all subjective anyways. You can see steam deck as different from PC. I’ll look at Steam Deck and PC as the same. So to me both are either console or PC.
You can also take it up with valve for their it’s a pc comments. Even the reveal they did with ign calling it a handheld gaming PC.
All Steam Decks (both LCD and OLED) are powerful, portable, PC gaming devices made for comfort and a console-like experience.
At best described as “console-like experience”
Steam Deck has a user-friendly interface specifically designed for its gamepad controls. Its software and operating system are tailored for Steam Deck, making it the easiest way to get into PC gaming.
This is also a nice watch of Gabe talking about the openness of the PC ecosystem and how if you want to you can install epic game store or run oculus quest on the Steam Deck. Take what you will from it but I feel like Gabe and the people who worked on the Steam Deck see it more as a PC than console.
They all run mainstream operating systems, and are basically locked down PCs in a fancy box.
I feel like Xbox is the only console running a mostly mainstream OS. The Playstation series is based off of FreeBSD and but I think that’s at a base level and a majority of what’s added is custom proprietary code. Considering gaming on FreeBSD really doesn’t surpass Quake I’d say it’s quiet different.
I’ve seen the Switch’s OS described as
Proprietary OS, derivative of Nintendo 3DS system software (partially Unix-like via certain components which are based on FreeBSD and Android)
I would say it doesn’t because you are still running PC games. The reason I specified consoles specifically without homebrew and backwards compatibility is it kind of leaves you stuck in a certain generation that typically has a finite lifespan.
You could install Linux on a console and use it forever or rely on homebrew for extended life like the PS Vita otherwise.
As a heads up, don’t read the Gamespot review if you’re carefully avoiding spoilers. The review tries to discuss the ending without revealing too much but wasn’t entirely successful.
I personally enjoy Brok the Investigator, if you don’t mind beat-em-up mixed in with your story. Has multiple endings, every single area has 3 hidden collectables that act as hints in case you get stuck, and is available on console (ps4/5, xbox one and series s/x, switch) if you don’t feel like playing on PC.
You play the first chapter as a detective alligator (Brok) who has a new case to solve. Starting chapter 2, you gain access to switch between him and his cat son (Graff). Depending on your actions, you get the different endings. To make things easier on getting different endings, you can load yourself in at specific chapters, too.
The first one was fun, but I was disappointed it ended early. Open world exploring is what makes it a Final Fantasy game. I didn’t mind the additional content and changes, but really wanted the whole game (especially for $60-70).
I thought it was just supposed to be three releases. That get massively upped? I’ll probably never mess with playing it, then. I’ll just play the ps1 version rom with the graphics upscaled on my steam deck and call it good.
Despite the high scores across the board, it seems about as split as FF7 Remake. A lot of people love the game but aren’t a fan of how they changed the story, and here we see the same pattern.
As I said with the first one: I already have ff7. I don’t need ff7 again. If I want ff7 I’ll go play ff7. I’m incredibly happy they decided to spice things up and give it a twist. This has me even more excited for next week!
As I said in 2002: this story is awesome. But they have cubes for hands. We have the ps2 now. I hope I can play this game again someday without cubes for hands. This is not that game.
Nope, it’s not that game. Nor, IMO, could they possibly make that game successful enough to justify the cost of the remake. There aren’t enough people like you to generate the sales numbers they are looking for. Could you make a reasonably successful product like that? Sure. Would it make the amount of money square-enix is interested in? I strongly doubt it. Because I wouldn’t buy that game and I enjoyed ff7. I don’t really care if they have cubes for hands. I’m not playing it for the graphics heh
Wrong. FF7 was the second-best selling PSX game of all time, and is also the best-selling single-player Final Fantasy game. If you consider that remaking FF7 means getting the original fans PLUS introducing it to an entire generation of gamers who never played it on PSX then you would definitely expect it to sell.
If they didn't think a remake would sell then why did they literally call it "FF7 Remake" and not something else?
That’s just not true at all. Literally one of the most famous games ever made remade with modern graphics couldn’t be successful? When squenix announced a remake, and the internet exploded, that is exactly the game everyone expected it to be. Even at launch day we still thought the story would be mostly unchanged.
I’m not arguing in favor of keeping turn based combat.
How exactly would keeping the original story have made a remake less successful? New players would have played it either way, and I find it very hard to believe that the number of fans of the original who would have avoided the game due it being “the same game” outnumber the number of fans who were sold a remake and didn’t find out until half way through that this was a different game.
If you’re willing to put some effort you can get the original on PC and mod it. It looks much better with mods. The mods are pretty easy to install and it won’t cost you $180 over however many years to get the full story
And I like that it’s just different enough to leave me wondering if what comes next will be different than what I expected. I think that’s awesome. And I really like the changes they’ve made so far, in terms of how it will obviously impact the future
It’s not really an adventure in the classical genre definition, but maybe Return of the Obra Dinn is something for you if you like solving puzzles and fancy murder mysteries.
i have played return of the obra dinn. it’s one of the greatest puzzle games i’ve played and i feel like most people that have played it say the same. actually solving all identities is legitimately hard, the story is interesting and the presentation is top notch. not an adventure game as i would define it but i highly recommended playing it to everyone that haven’t played it.
Couldn’t make it more than a couple hours in this game. Everything was just so “generic open world Ubisoft game” and I found the dialog to be obnoxious.
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