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relic_, do games w Are any games using neural networks for better hard AI that doesn't cheat?

The challenge is that AI for a video game (even one fixed game) is very problem specific and there’s no generalized approach/kit for developing AI for games. So while there’s research showing AI can play games, it’s involved lots of iteration and AI expertise. Thats obviously a large barrier for any video game and that doesn’t even touch the compute requirements.

There’s also the problem of making AI players fun. Too easy and they’re boring, too hard and they’re frustrating. Expert level AI can perform at expert level, which wouldn’t be fun for the average player. Striking the right difficulty balance isn’t easy or obvious.

count_dongulus, (edited )

I wouldn’t mind an AI using unorthodox strategies, but yeah that’s a good point that fine tuning it to be fun is a big challenge. Speaking of “non-player-like behavior”, I wonder if AI could be used to find multiplayer exploits sooner, though the problem there is you don’t really have much training data besides QA and playtesters before a full release.

relic_,

Historically, AI has found and used exploits. Before OpenAI was known for chatgpt, they did a lot of work in reinforcement learning (often deployed in game-like scenarios). One of the more mainstream training strategies (pioneered at OpenAI) played sonic and would exploit bugs in the game, for example.

The compute used for these strategies are pretty high though. Even crafting a diamond in Minecraft can require playing for hundreds of millions of steps, and even then, AI might not constantly reach their goal. Theres still interesting work in the space, but sadly LLMs have sucked up a lot of the R&D resources.

TachyonTele, do games w Are any games using neural networks for better hard AI that doesn't cheat?

The Rain World Animation Process.
While the title suggests only animation, the AI is tied directly into the animations so you gat a 2 for 1 deal in this video.

junderwood, do games w Screenshots of what I'm playing, day 1: progressing through Sonic 2

Great soundtrack on that one too!

Omegamanthethird, do games w Screenshots of what I'm playing, day 1: progressing through Sonic 2
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

I have that one on the PS2. I don’t know that there is a better Sonic collection.

Auster,

I’m playing the PC version of SMCP, and the only difference I can notice, maybe due to the better hardware, is that the game seems to be a bit faster on PC than on PS2. And have yet to test any of the other collections Sega made for/with the Sonic games.

Boinkage, do games w Are any games using neural networks for better hard AI that doesn't cheat?

Have you read about Alphastar, super computer that can whoop the best StarCraft players in the world? youtu.be/ZsCnuDgDcPo?feature=shared

over_clox, do trains w Old World Train Electrification in Colour

Oh, well at least this post is in color…

Hugh_Jeggs,

For context, there was a post the same that said “New world train electrification in colour” with a map of the Americas that had only a tiny bit of colour

This bellend ☝️ went off on a rant about how the map wasn’t in colour, completely missing the entire point of the map lol

over_clox,

I checked their link, all our tracks in the USA were orange. No reference to a color guide in their post.

thisnameisnottolong,

Maybe you could make your own post the way you like it, instead of being hypercritical of someone else’s efforts.

over_clox,

Maybe if I understood their post in the first place. We got too many train derailments over here, they all scare the fuck out of me.

Hugh_Jeggs,

So uh get in muh fower tun truck and drive like a goddamn infant

Jumuta,

maps can have different layers lmao

over_clox,

Indeed. Might be nice if OP suggested to change what they call ‘Style’ to Electrification when viewing their source link.

Also might be nice if the map site didn’t just kick me back to Lemmy when I attempt to change it.

makingrain,
@makingrain@lemm.ee avatar

Some people eh

lambipapp, do trains w Old World Train Electrification in Colour

Idk for others, but Sweden does not seem to be complete. Inlandsbanan is at least partly electric nowdays

echodot, do games w Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas release 20 years ago today.

I’m still a bit mad about the trains in grand theft auto games. The early ones had trains you could actually properly interact with rather than them just sort of mindlessly going around the map being indestructible juggernauts.

I want to be able to derail and steal it.

There are indie games that support derailing trains, so it ain’t hard

Zahille7,

Couldn’t you blow up the subway in IV?

SomeGuy69, do trains w New World Train Electrification in Colour
@SomeGuy69@lemmy.world avatar

Damn USA that’s a shame. Zero fucks given of you guys.

Sunshine,
@Sunshine@lemmy.ca avatar

Canada: hold my beer!

SomeGuy69, (edited )
@SomeGuy69@lemmy.world avatar

For more mountainous or thick forest areas this is understandably. It required combustion engine trains, simply because of steep mountains, where it’s difficult to put down power lines or forests with a lot of trees who can easily destroy power lines. USA however is mostly flat. Looking at some like Austria or Swiss, if I see this correctly, they also are on a good way. Here we have a lot of hybrid but in general our train transport is a mess of mixed.

jerkface, do games w Are any games using neural networks for better hard AI that doesn't cheat?
@jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

The advantage of a neural AI, in my mind, isn’t that it is better. It is that it is worse in a way that is fun.

Rentlar, do trains w New World Train Electrification in Colour

A tiny pink line will appear if you were to zoom in to Mason City, Iowa, USA.

Sunshine,
@Sunshine@lemmy.ca avatar

Nice find! I thought America only had it for New England and California.

BossDj,

Many of the big, blue cities will have some color if you zoom in. But only to commute within the area

Sunshine,
@Sunshine@lemmy.ca avatar

The Yucatan peninsula has an electric line too!

iconic_admin, do games w Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas release 20 years ago today.

GTA 6 will release in another 20 years from now.

thermal_shock,

5 already did so… maybe we’re halfway there? 10 more?

echodot,

Haven’t they said 2026 or if I just made that up

over_clox, do trains w New World Train Electrification in Colour

Grayscale ≠ Color

f314,

That’s kind of the point: if you zoom in on the East coast you can see some color. This just really effectively shows how little of the rail network is actually electrified.

over_clox,

And isn’t one of the points of Lemmy and the fediverse in general to help those with vision deficiencies?

Like, describe the image, offer a color guide, suggest zooming in?

f314,

Sure, OP could easily have done a better job with accessibility!

Sunshine, do trains w Old World Train Electrification in Colour
@Sunshine@lemmy.ca avatar

Ethiopia is a poor country and yet they’re ahead of America on this.

Tar_alcaran,

Almost everyone is. The Netherlands has more electric rail, and they’re 0.2% the size of the US.

Tar_alcaran, do trains w New World Train Electrification in Colour

Ouch, I didn’t realize it was so little.

Sunshine,
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It’s why we gotta demand of our leaders to commit to electrification of the lines.

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