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KingThrillgore, do games w Tomb Raider 1-3 Remastered has a warning about racial and ethnic stereotypes
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

This is perfectly fine, its how they did it for the old Looney Tunes DVDs.

MammyWhammy,

And is what they should do rather than trying to delete it.

Provide context so that future generations can enjoy what’s good about the media and acknowledge how parts of the content/media are problematic and not appropriate.

pete_the_cat,

Something I and probably everyone else forgets is that Looney Tunes was made in the 1930s and 1940s, not the 1990s.

FontMasterFlex, do games w Tomb Raider 1-3 Remastered has a warning about racial and ethnic stereotypes

This is fine, no issues really, but if you’re offended by something in a video game fictional story that was made over 20 years ago you should go touch grass.

Zahille7,

They did the same thing with the Destroy All Humans! remakes. Which was probably needed, because the Japanese level in 2 is really iffy

FontMasterFlex,

eh. i get the ‘need’ for these companies to have the disclaimers and i honestly appreciate that they are not changing anything here. but the mob is fickle and seemingly can’t distinguish real life from the online life where being offended somehow gives them clout.

HawlSera,

Yeah the Japan level made my jaw drop… the early 2000’s really were the last time you could be this blatantly racist against the Asian Community in popular media… But I’d rather go “Oooof” than pretend the game was never like this.

CasualPenguin,

Do you see any merit to the pushback against such media?

You sound like you favor rationalism, and I agree with dismissing people who are crazy, but setting crazy people aside, do you see potential harm in promoting negative racial and ethnic stereotypes?

FontMasterFlex,

Stereotypes exist for a reason. They aren’t made up, non-existent characteristics. 90% of people that are getting offended by such things are not even part of the group that’s being stereotyped. It’s usually white liberals that are “offended” by any of this. Are they beneficial? probably not, but they sure are not nearly as harmful as people like you make them out to be. As a straight white man, I’m vilified by the mob regardless of my positions on anything, and that in itself is a stereotype. So I don’t put any stock into hypocritical perceived slights against humanity.

CasualPenguin,

Got it, so you have a major victim complex and don’t really have a rational argument for the rest. Thank you for at least being clear

FontMasterFlex,

Thank you for proving my point.

CasualPenguin,

Stereotypes exist for a reason. They aren’t made up, non-existent characteristics.

As a straight white man, I’m vilified by the mob regardless of my positions on anything, and that in itself is a stereotype.

You rationalized deserving vilification, and whinged about what a victim you are. You can’t think this conversation is in your favor.

CasualPenguin,

Went silent real fast eh?

FontMasterFlex,

sorry my life doesn’t revolve around your internet drama. got real shit to deal with. like work. and life. idgaf what you think about me of what point you think you’re making. have fun with what little “power” you think you have here. i couldn’t care less about this.

CasualPenguin,

Who the hell doesn’t?

You’re the one out online here spewing your opinion that what other people care about isn’t important.

Once again you reveal yourself a hypocrite

FontMasterFlex,

how is it hypocritical? idgaf what you think, just like you likely don’t gaf what I think. you’re just out to call people names behind the safety of a keyboard and screen.

WldFyre,

As a straight white man, I’m vilified by the mob regardless of my positions on anything, and that in itself is a stereotype

Lmao you dingus

Katana314,

Even if I agree some games have gone too far on censorship, I don’t like having this totalitarian attitude to any kind of “offense”.

There are certain weird themes I really like in niche games, but I acknowledge if they were “thrown in” to a game about shooting or adventure, would sour the experience for a lot of common players. I’d point to perverted character designs as a common one - sexualized character designs are obviously appealing to some players, but to others they can actually make it hard to get absorbed in the story of a game like Xenoblade Chronicles 2 or Nier Automata. Even for a series like Persona, there have been players that decided “What weeb shit” and abandon the game because of the way female characters get harassed at times.

It’s easy to call it “political”, but politics comes from personal opinions - and it can genuinely affect how people view the media. These days I have a much more vehement reaction to stereotyped Native-American depictions (“Indians”) over when I was a kid. I doubt it’d make me hate Tomb Raider, but I can see why they’d have a warning.

Cruxifux, do games w Tomb Raider 1-3 Remastered has a warning about racial and ethnic stereotypes

Imma just be pissed if her tiddies ain’t triangles.

p1mrx,

triggies

reagansrottencorpse,

Trigolbitties

CM400,

Tritties?

Psythik,

If that thumbnail is a screenshot of the remaster, then they’re looking rather round to me.

johannesvanderwhales,

The collection has both a remastered graphics mode and an option to switch to the original graphics.

Cruxifux,

Well I’ll put the torch and pitchfork away for now then

altima_neo, do games w Tomb Raider 1-3 Remastered has a warning about racial and ethnic stereotypes
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

What stereotypes were in the games?

IHeartBadCode,
@IHeartBadCode@kbin.social avatar

While Crystal Dynamics didn’t specify which content it’s referring to, it’s speculated that it could be the animalistic depiction of Pacific Island natives in Tomb Raider 3, who are implied to be cannibals.

Tash,
@Tash@lemmy.world avatar

While Crystal Dynamics didn’t specify which content it’s referring to, it’s speculated that it could be the animalistic depiction of Pacific Island natives in Tomb Raider 3, who are implied to be cannibals.

Like the fictional Indiana Jones style villages? Or the real life North Sentinel Island Sentinelese? I’m scratching my head too…

chaogomu,

The North Sentinel Island Sentinelese are not cannibals. They just want nothing to do with anyone not born on the island.

Which is a good policy to have, seeing as how the British genocided the rest of the Andaman Islands. They even landed on North Sentinel, kidnapped a few old people and children, and then sent the survivors back as plague bearers. (this was in 1880)

Regrettable_incident,
@Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, it’s getting pretty hard to be an isolated community anywhere these days. Looks like these guys in the nicobar islands may be fucked.

EdibleFriend,
@EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

The stereotype that old British men are all butlers who get off on being locked in the freezer.

Regrettable_incident,
@Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world avatar

Indeed. Some of us prefer being locked in the pantry.

DaseinPickle,

That’s not a stereotype.

EdibleFriend,
@EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

Of course it isn’t. I am clearly making a joke. lol holy crap this is happening every single day on lemmy now whats happening to this place?

tuxtey,

I think you were both making jokes

FontMasterFlex,

people with an extreme moral superiority complex emboldened by the anonymity of the internet.

altima_neo,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

Yeah, I crack sarcastic Jokes all the time and it feels like no one on Lemmy gets sarcasm

Buddahriffic,

I like to call them deadpan instead of sarcasm. Sarcasm has a tone to let others know that it isn’t serious, while deadpan relies fully on the content itself.

I had a lot more deadpan comments crash and burn on Reddit than here. And even in this case, someone just questioned the comment while it had overall positive reception. I think Lemmy generally gets deadpan.

pete_the_cat,

Sarcasm is damn near impossible to pick up over text unless it’s extremely obvious.

EdibleFriend,
@EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

If it’s extremely subtle sarcasm yes. I agree. There was nothing subtle about my post though

pete_the_cat,

I agree, but I’ve done the same thing before and people have totally taken it seriously.

EdibleFriend,
@EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

That doesn’t mean it’s extremely hard to pick up on obvious sarcasm. It just means some people are morons lol.

DaseinPickle,

Something that is accurate and true is not a stereotype.

DragonTypeWyvern,

I’m sorry, but another user has already confirmed that some British men prefer being locked in the pantry so it isn’t accurate.

sbr32,

In what world is that a question for a reasonable person?

A media company remade and re-released a piece of media and acknowledged that there may be problematic content, but that we should consider the time the media was made.

You don't need to know what the problematic content is, just accept their statement on it.

pendulum_,
@pendulum_@lemmy.world avatar

“Shut up and consume”

That’s not how this works

RootBeerGuy,
@RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

In what world is that an answer for a reasonable person?

squid_slime,
@squid_slime@lemmy.world avatar

I’d still like to know… Might be a deal breaker

Transporter_Room_3,
@Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website avatar

you don’t need to know what the problematic content is

You seem like the kind of person who would become a moderator, start banning people and when they ask why they were banned you would block them after replying “lol get fucked”

In what way is acquiring more knowledge a bad thing? If I don’t recognize any possible problematic content, but other people say it’s there, why shouldn’t I be a Le to ask what’s problematic about it? Have I been going around being casually racist without knowing?

Like damn my dude you’re getting pissed at people for wanting to better themselves.

GBU_28,

Shhhluuurrrrp

Nudding,

Then they don’t need me to buy their shit lol.

reversebananimals,

There might be others, but The Dagger of Xian plotline in Tomb Raider II is a little “woo woo Chinese mysticism”. You plunge it into your heart and turn into a dragon.

I’m not offended by it but I’d imagine that’s not the kind of thing you’d write in a video game today.

dangblingus,

Yet the Uncharted games exist.

grayhaze,
@grayhaze@lemmy.world avatar

Dinosaurs without feathers.

Nurse_Robot, do games w Tomb Raider 1-3 Remastered has a warning about racial and ethnic stereotypes

I’m a fan of this. It’s better to offer content with context and education than to fully censor it.

halcyoncmdr,
@halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

100% this is the way things should be handled. If we get rid of or hide mistakes of the past, they will simply be repeated as people forget.

A note about historical context is an easy, and small solution to acknowledge the change in society without altering the original content.

9715698,

Metal Gear Solid Master Collection did this as well.

dangblingus,

What did they have to provide context for in the Master Collection?

toxicbubble,

i think misogyny and incest

HawlSera,

And portrayal of Tobacco which you can’t really do anymore

Copernican, do games w Tomb Raider 1-3 Remastered has a warning about racial and ethnic stereotypes

But when will Nintendo start issuing those warnings for Mario games?

aeronmelon,

cries in spaghetti

chemical_cutthroat,
@chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world avatar

So long, gay Bowser!

UprisingVoltage,

Top line in gaming

electrogamerman,

isnt Bowser constantly trying to bang peach?

toxicbubble, do games w Helldivers 2’s concurrent Steam player record is PlayStation Studios’ highest yet

i hope they remake magicka, dunno if they still own the rights

Boingboing, do games w Helldivers 2’s concurrent Steam player record is PlayStation Studios’ highest yet

Now do Bloodborne

Computerchairgeneral, do gaming w Phil Spencer has reportedly reassured employees Microsoft ‘won’t stop making Xbox consoles’

It's really been whiplash inducing to go from reading about how Microsoft was going to dominate gaming because of the Activision buyout to reading about how Microsoft is going to be the next Sega and are possibly exiting the console market. And it all happened in the span of a few months.

NigelFrobisher, do gaming w Phil Spencer has reportedly reassured employees Microsoft ‘won’t stop making Xbox consoles’

They’ve still got to make the Xbox X Series One 360.

shiveyarbles,

I heard they’re doing a 180 on the 360

spacedogroy, do gaming w Phil Spencer has reportedly reassured employees Microsoft ‘won’t stop making Xbox consoles’

I can imagine them carrying on making consoles this generation but long-term Microsoft is a services company and over successive generations they have failed to recapture the lead from Sony since the 360. Ultimately, they just want to make more money and struggling in the hardware business is not an exciting place for them to be in.

I say this as a Series S owner: the writing is on the wall. I will likely not be purchasing another Microsoft console after this, though I’m not sure they’d be interested in releasing one. I want to buy and own games I can play locally on a piece of hardware, which probably means I have to return to Sony or go back to the humble PC. For anyone currently on the fence seeing this news, I don’t know why they’d consider buying into the Xbox platform and tying in all their gaming purchases.

Che_Donkey,
@Che_Donkey@lemmy.ml avatar

I mean…I’ve had every one up to S series. I just don’t see any groundbreaking whatever to make me go beyond X since most of what is being produced is getting either the microtransaction treatment or becoming a subscription based game.

I want to buy a game and play it. period. Very few choices and I will probably get a steam deck at some point.

ninjan, do gaming w Phil Spencer has reportedly reassured employees Microsoft ‘won’t stop making Xbox consoles’

They’d be dumb to keep making consoles as we know them today. A much better long term business move would be to make a “cloud gaming Chromecast” a la Stadia but, if they want to retain their fan base, a disc player that mearly reads and validates your disc and then runs the game from the cloud. Thus letting Xbox fans still have access to their games. That in turn would allow them to have the base subscription have a library that changes to a great degree every month and you only get “permanent” access if you buy the games. Hell if the “buy” cost is lowered then people would by and large applaud them for it.

The hardware has almost always been sold at a loss but with how many datacenters they have now, how long they’ve been refining the game pass and the Xbox Cloud gaming service it seems like the only way to wrestle away Sony and PlayStations dominance in high end console gaming.

Now don’t get me wrong, I absolutely hate the whole “you will own nothing, rent everything, and be happy” paradigm were in now and refuse it for a lot of things. But I also understand business and I’m reasonably sure the average consumer will actually love it. “Console” for like $100, the subscription say $15 at base, $25 for the full month and you get all the games you could ever play. It would be a no-brainer for any non-gamer parent. The kids will love it, no more begging for that new game, they’ll have it day one and so will all their friends. Hell parents will probably also love the blanket, one time, parental action of setting which ESRB ratings are allowed instead of having to vet it game by game while the kid screams that Johnny gets to play it. Now they can just say ‘no if the Xbox won’t let you see it and play it then there’s nothing I can do honey’ and it’s just enough deflection that it might pass.

It’s really only when you zoom out that it becomes a shitty deal. But that’s not something the majority ever cares go do.

shinratdr,
@shinratdr@lemmy.ca avatar

Yeah because PlayStation Now, OnLive, Stadia, xCloud, GeForce Now & Luna were such rousing successes.

When are people going to realize that the AAA gaming crowd just isn’t interested in Cloud gaming? They have oodles of disposable income, “cost” is not a real barrier to entry for this group.

Microsoft should abandon the Xbox and offer some kind of BC program, I agree with that. But any box is as good as the next. Offer xCloud and game streaming on everything, stop making hardware, and publish games for PS5, PC, and Switch where it makes sense.

Maybe it’ll take off, maybe it won’t. But the actual console part of the business isn’t doing them any favours, they’re just PCs sold at crappy margins now.

Eggyhead,
@Eggyhead@kbin.social avatar

As inclined I am to agree with you on a personal level, kids these days are trained to think games just come with MTX, and all bonus content in a game that isn’t a loot box is just paid DLC. All Microsoft has to do is just make this the easiest way to get Xbox games, keep it going long enough, and people eventually won’t know any better or even care anymore. Then they ratchet up the price to make it feel like they’re still profiting from console sales as well.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

Latency is enough of a thing that even a child raised on it will recognize the benefits of running the game locally, not to mention mods and other privileges that come with having a local copy of a game.

Eggyhead,
@Eggyhead@kbin.social avatar

I’m probably just getting pessimistic with age, but corporations just see dollar signs with subscriptions and reduced expenses with digital distribution. Then they will outlive you and me.

It may be objectively better for players to have physical copies of their games installed on hardware they have dominion over, but we are unlikely to be around to prove that to our great grandkids. We can’t even guarantee even our own children will care enough to try to tell theirs. I’m almost certain owning physical copies of digital content is going to be for niche hobbyists in the future.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

People always talk about this being physical versus digital, but I'd say this is about DRM. Physical media decays. DRM-free games can be perfectly copied over and over again, and it comes with the bonus of not taking up space in my apartment. If a game requires a server to connect to or stream from, that's often just a fancy form of DRM.

YuzuDrink,
@YuzuDrink@beehaw.org avatar

My 7yo was upset the other night because I’d been playing FF7R (wanted to finish before the new one hits) instead of joining him in Minecraft or Fortnite or Parkitect or whatever.

He literally thought that FF7R didn’t have an ending because I guess in his mind all games are just live service/hobby things. Even I guess the ones that are story things.

SpectralPineapple, (edited )

I’ve played Xcloud on a good wired connection. It’s impressive but IMHO opinion far from ideal. Input lag is getting better but it’s still noticeable. Resolution varies but it’s never as good as the real thing. Noticeably worse, actually. Loading a game takes longer than locally. For me? It’s not enough. That said, before I was around, my mother-in-law spent years watching everything on the wrong aspect ratio. On a good TV. So I can totally see a lot of people streaming games for years without realizing how much better gaming can be.

trackcharlie, do games w Ubisoft CEO defends Skull and Bones’ $70 price despite its live service leanings, calls it ‘quadruple-A’

Unless each one of those “A’s” stands for “ASS”, I beg to differ.

gamingdexter, do gaming w Phil Spencer has reportedly reassured employees Microsoft ‘won’t stop making Xbox consoles’
@gamingdexter@lemmy.ml avatar

Nothing like wasting my money buying digital Xbox since Xbox One days to have it turn into a subscription based company. I’ve enjoyed my Xbox, but really sucks. Still hopefully, but highly doubtful they will continue to make consoles. I’m guessing sub and cloud base allowing access on PS and Nintendo. Good for them, but no reason to keep on supporting Xbox. Move on over Sega, Atari, and whoever else, another one coming aboard

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

If Xbox disappears and leaves only PlayStation at that tier, I think it's more likely we're looking at the end of consoles altogether in as little as 15 years.

hitmyspot,

As consoles moved to be closer and closer to custom PCs, I think it was only a matter of time. But, wasn’t that the point?

YuzuDrink,
@YuzuDrink@beehaw.org avatar

I could see Xbox becoming just a Windows PC preconfigured to launch essentially a Big Picture mode version of the Xbox app or something. And then maybe Sony goes ahead and makes their own store/launcher to sell a PS6 or PS7 that’s just a PC as well. But if you have your own PC, that’s fine too.

With them releasing more of their library to PC, this wouldn’t surprise me.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

Sony will hold on to that kicking and screaming, because once they're just selling a PC, they lose money for each third party game sold, and they lose PS+ revenue.

gamingdexter,
@gamingdexter@lemmy.ml avatar

I think the reason for consoles was, you pay X dollars (normally the same price as a decent video card), and you are guaranteed that any games that come out with it works. All you have to do is plug it up to a TV with HDMI and boom, working video game box with smart capabilities. It is/was a good idea, but I’m guessing MS is looking back at their Xbox One always online days and say you can hook up this $100 cloud base console and stream your games (that you pay a subscription for) with little to no degradation. Honestly they could go so far as offering it alongside select or premium TV brands, they are already doing that with LGs. The next battle will be game ownership, Ubisoft has already started that battle. Looking bleak, may be pulling out the old pirate hat

heygooberman, do gaming w Phil Spencer has reportedly reassured employees Microsoft ‘won’t stop making Xbox consoles’
@heygooberman@lemmy.today avatar

Yeah…I don’t believe it.

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