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Lemming6969, do astronomy w Dark Matter Black Holes Could Fly through the Solar System Once a Decade

What if dark matter is some form of black hole or exotic ultra dense material made entirely out of the missing antimatter, which for whatever reason doesn’t otherwise interact with electromagnetism? 2 birds, 1 stone.

Bluetreefrog, do astronomy w Dark Matter Black Holes Could Fly through the Solar System Once a Decade

The book, Seven Eves is about one of these hitting the moon.

Davel23,

The cause of the incident is never specified in the book.

thebardingreen,
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The book Earth by David Brin is about one of these hitting the Earth

Gork, do astronomy w Dark Matter Black Holes Could Fly through the Solar System Once a Decade

What would happen if one of these tiny black holes hit Earth? The article doesn’t really talk about it.

Donjuanme,

Absolutely nothing.

Also not sure why they wouldn’t evaporate nearly instantaneously. Sounds to me like more dark matter bunk.

deegeese,

Passing near the earth, we’d get some strange tides. Passing through the earth, it would eat earth.

Rhaedas,

Nonsense. The event horizon on such things is incredibly small, as is the mass vs. that of Earth.

deegeese,

You don’t need the event horizon, you just need local gravity around 1G. For the masses described in the article, that radius is from hundreds of meters to 10s of kilometers.

Rhaedas,

Which still wouldn't do what you suggest. The mass is the same, so it has the same effect from a distance. Unless by "eat earth" you meant it would take in dirt until it suck to the core, still about the same mass.

lemming, do astronomy w Dark Matter Black Holes Could Fly through the Solar System Once a Decade

I thought these were disproved by lack of gravitational microlensing?

InvertedParallax,

The main way you’d see that kind of microlensing is if they aggregated.

But given the way gravity works, they should aggregate, otherwise why call them black holes?

Classy,

If they were relatively evenly distributed would that counteract lensing?

InvertedParallax,

Yes, it would just be surprising because, gravity should make them not be evenly distributed.

The whole thing with dark matter is that it’s this magic stuff that causes gravity but isn’t affected by it, which… is not how gravity normally works.

Though there is still room for it, we just need a better framework other than “I added 3 and 5 and got 12, so obviously I must mean to add 3 and 5 and 4 too”.

MartianSands,

You’re mistaken. Dark matter, whatever it is, isn’t affected by anything except gravity. It interacts with gravity just like “normal” matter.

The evidence is also significantly better than you’re describing

InvertedParallax,

Then it should also coelescce, particularly since it doesn’t have the em force to keep it repelled, the universe should be dominated by massive dark matter black holes.

Yes, there’s math that explains part of the distribution, but also there is 0 force opposing any collapse we’d have a lot more neutron stars and other degenerate matter catalyzed by dark matter.

We have hypotheses like this when our observations don’t make sense and we need to explain them, it’s definitely a possibility but we still have room to understand the large scale physics at play.

MartianSands,

You don’t need a force to prevent collapse if there’s no drag force to slow things down. It would actually be almost impossible for a cloud of dark matter to collapse since any individual particle has momentum and no way to slow down, so they’ll all be in some sort of mutual orbit

InvertedParallax,

I’m guessing you’ve seen as many lorentz attractor simulations as I have, what always happens is something like tidal effects or angular momentum means 90% slow down while a few particles get shot out of hell at ludicrous speed.

The effect is similar to drag, and is basically how we get entropy even without em effects.

superkret, do astronomy w Dark Matter Black Holes Could Fly through the Solar System Once a Decade

If dark matter is fully explained by such black holes, their most likely mass, according to some theories, would range from 10^17^ to 10^23^ grams—or about that of a large asteroid.

In case this doesn’t tell you a lot, 10^17^g is half the weight of Mount Everest, and 10^23^g is 4x the weight of the Antarctic ice shield.

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  • Davel23,

    One, if it was a football stadium the size of Mount Everest.

    floofloof,

    I can only do Olympic swimming pools or bananas.

    remotelove,
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    The earth is estimated to “weigh” 13,170,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 pounds. (That is weird when you think about it. The weight of the earth being based on what something weighs on earth, I mean.)

    Mt. Everest is only about 357,000,000,000,000 pounds and is just a tiny fraction of the mass of the earth.

    So. My point is that we need a better way to portray scale of things in the universe. AUs work to a point but then we have to quickly move to parsecs. Parsecs quickly give way to light years. (Or vice-versa, depending on how you visualize things better.) Light years kinda work, but only for between 14-26 billion years. Even after all of that, I can hardly still fathom the size of Mt. Everest. (This was a rant, but not an angry rant.)

    floofloof,

    The earth is estimated to “weigh” 13,170,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 pounds.

    Mt. Everest is only 357,000,000,000,000 pounds

    My point is that we need a better way to portray scale of things in the universe.

    Well, for a start, God uses the metric system.

    Mr_Blott,

    Fuckin everyone uses the metric system

    RandomVideos,

    Even aliens building the pyramids used the metric system

    butwhyishischinabook,

    God uses base 12, he doesn’t arbitrarily settle on base 10 just because he has that many fingers.

    chonglibloodsport,

    Weight in pounds isn’t the right unit here. Weight varies depending on the strength of the gravitational field you’re in, whereas mass does not. A kilogram here on earth weighs 2.2lbs but on the moon it only weighs 0.36lbs.

    Rato,

    In the English Engineering System, the unit of mass is 1 pound mass (lbm), and is equivalent to the amount of matter that weighs 1lb at 1G. I won’t argue that EES is a good system, but it does at least have a kludged unit for mass. It has an equally kludged unit for force, too, called pounds force (lbf).

    remotelove,
    @remotelove@lemmy.ca avatar

    I called that out. It was the weight of the earth… on earth.

    barsquid,

    I cannot fathom the size of anything on an astronomical scale. I have seen the videos that zoom out and show Earth at scale with the Sun and then the Sun at scale with other stars. No matter how many times I view the facts it will be incomprehensibly large.

    HurlingDurling, do astronomy w Dark Matter Black Holes Could Fly through the Solar System Once a Decade
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    Cool, one more thing to keep me up at night

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    onlinepersona, do astronomy w Dark Matter Black Holes Could Fly through the Solar System Once a Decade

    Would a regular asteroid be able to wobble the earth as described in this article? Or is it just black holes that should do so?

    I seem to remember reading that primordial black holes weren’t yet a proven phenomenon and I have trouble imagining them myself. Wouldn’t they have hawking radiation too which we would be able to detect?

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    NuraShiny, do gaming w Dungeons & Dragons Is Shedding ‘Race’ in Gaming. Other Games, and Gamers, Should Follow

    D&D might be a soulless product of middling quality because it is so corporatized now that they refuse to take risks or even release an actually new edition for their big anniversary, but they changed a word so we need to celebrate them.

    All the while games like Fabula Ultima don’t even have the concept of race or species and you can define it via a quirk if you feel there is something important to distinguish your character. Lancer doesn’t even ask the question and just wants you to define what your character is good at. And yea the default setting of lancer only has humans, but it’s also a post-scarcity hyper future where people can change their genes and looks with great ease.

    But we didn’t read those games and in the TTRPG space, only talking about D&D gets clicks, so this had to be about D&D.

    ProfessorOwl_PhD, do gaming w Dungeons & Dragons Is Shedding ‘Race’ in Gaming. Other Games, and Gamers, Should Follow
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    It’s ridiculous that the author thinks they can tell other games to follow D&D when they’ve only looked at D&D. Not only does this update lag well behind most TTRPGs, it doesn’t actually bring it up to date - species has its own issue of being inaccurate in a game rampant with half-lineages, which is why other games moved to terms like lineage and ancestry instead. These are discussions people have had because of the problems of D&D, it hasn’t been a trailblazer since the release of 3.0.

    10_0, do gaming w Dungeons & Dragons Is Shedding ‘Race’ in Gaming. Other Games, and Gamers, Should Follow

    Honestly don’t mind the change, but it should be “kinds” and not “species”. Or don’t change at all, no change was needed in the first place.

    Excel, do gaming w Dungeons & Dragons Is Shedding ‘Race’ in Gaming. Other Games, and Gamers, Should Follow
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    Except Pathfinder already switched to “Ancestry” 6 years ago.

    Stop trying to act like you’re leading the pack, when the reality is that you’re lagging behind.

    StaySquared, do gaming w Dungeons & Dragons Is Shedding ‘Race’ in Gaming. Other Games, and Gamers, Should Follow

    Ah… no identity just all copy pasta.

    Rehwyn, do gaming w Dungeons & Dragons Is Shedding ‘Race’ in Gaming. Other Games, and Gamers, Should Follow

    Makes sense. Pathfinder already shifted over to Ancestries in their 2nd Edition. Paizo has a pretty good history of representation and sensitivity to stuff like this though.

    Boomkop3, do gaming w Dungeons & Dragons Is Shedding ‘Race’ in Gaming. Other Games, and Gamers, Should Follow

    I don’t know how this helps anything? People’s disdain for each other is not about what you call it.

    Regardless of my understanding though it’s good to see them working to improve the game like this

    einkorn,
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    Can’t find the comic at the moment, but it immediately came to my mind:

    • Dude holds a purple flag
    • Sees guy with a yellow flag greeting him
    • Looks at his flag
    • Thinks “Fuck that guy”

    People can hate each other for any reason imaginable. Looking differently is just the simplest one.

    uninvitedguest,
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    einkorn,
    @einkorn@feddit.org avatar

    Thank you!

    doubtingtammy,

    “species” is simply more accurate, and makes multiracial games a little less awkward

    Boomkop3,

    multispecial, then?

    Boomkop3,

    multispecies? multispecial? speciesiously diverse? That is a good point tho, I like it

    doubtingtammy,

    I meant the players lol

    Boomkop3,

    Not just humans playing the game?

    Boomkop3,

    Also, did the game not have things like half orcs and such? That wouldn’t be a thing with species

    doubtingtammy,
    winterayars,

    Race was always a flawed idea. To be honest i think it’s not that bad in a fantasy setting but it can also lead to some weird and uncomfortable stuff and i don’t think there’s a good reason to keep it.

    On the flip side, “ancestries” or backgrounds or whatever are a lot more flexible as a concept and let you do some cool stuff.

    Boomkop3,

    yoo, that is a hella cool idea. Kinda like how some vampire movies work

    cryptiod137,

    “oh that race doesn’t make good wizards they are less intelligent than others”

    With the word race out of the descriptions, its less likely that someone will get mad over something like that.

    This is a real example from early 5e that some people got upset over, to the point some people still mention it, acting all wigged out.

    Anything that pushes real world politics away from me games is inherently good.

    Boomkop3,

    I guess that’s a natural consequence of just having a lot of people on a platform

    cerement, do gaming w Dungeons & Dragons Is Shedding ‘Race’ in Gaming. Other Games, and Gamers, Should Follow
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