I'm simply removing objectively incorrect content. There is no such thing as personal pronouns, and with a simple mod, they are easily removed like any bug in any program. Problem?
I don’t get how this lets you play a game the way you want? It takes out an option in a drop down that you wouldn’t use in the first place? It’s like me removing the colour blind option in a game, when I’m not colour blind. Just don’t use it if you don’t need it.
The option itself doesn't exist in reality. Biology and English grammar are crystal clear on this. The presence of the option in the game is itself wrong. The mod corrects this mistake.
Feel free to study any actually published biology or English textbook. You won't find this nonsense anywhere in them. You're just ignorant. You need to go back to school.
I do, and you should too. Because you're entirely wrong about everything. Like, you're arguing that personal pronouns don't exist while using them and calling others stupid.
As much fun as it is arguing with the confidently ignorant, I have better things to do today. Like maybe watch paint dry. It would definitely be a better use of my time than reading objectively incorrect and bigoted REEEEEEEEing about biological and grammatical concepts that you don't have the slightest understanding of.
But that's not what you are doing. You don't need this mod to make the choice that allows you to play the way you want.
I mean, I have no problem with modding anything anyway (in fact I believe it was wrong for Nexus to remove the mod, the only thing it did is making certain kind of obstinate people go into a silly crusade to defend a silly mod). But this mod is objectively removing options, not adding them.
This has nothing to do with biology, it's 100% English grammar. Biology books are not the ones explaining what's a "pronoun". In fact, many languages don't even have pronouns, and yet their biology books can perfectly be translated.
English grammar is constantly evolving. In fact, it would make it a lot more realistic if there were more strange expressions and mannerisms, even outside of pronouns. Battlestar Galactica did add some funny nonsensical expressions like "frak", "rook", "frimp", "pogees" and popular phrases like "so say we all" that added a layer of depth to their futuristic culture, making it a lot more believable.
I don't think this mod really helps with "realism". It would in fact be unrealistic to expect no linguistic changes at all in 300 years. The only reason why I think some people are mad is because they think it's pandering to a political agenda so they don't even want to see an option be given at all.... despite it actually being a totally optional and even totally believable aspect of a future hypothetical culture. Whether you agree with the direction that this hypothetical futuristic culture developed towards or not.
It has to do with both. In consensus English grammar, your pronoun is assigned to your per your sex. Billions speak English this way and they will not change because a handful of sexual degenerates tell them to. This is not up for debate.
You literally could not handle a mod that removes incorrect biology and English grammar from a game. Cry more. Your ideology is objectively false and we will never bend the knee to it.
I'll interact with the mentally ill if I have to, but I won't participate in their mental illness as part of the interaction. This is irrelevant in the context of this game, because it's single player.
I just cannot figure out how downloading and installing a mod is somehow less engagement with this clearly dangerous pronoun selection compared to, I assume, not moving the menu from the default, creating your character, and getting on with the game?
Does the pronoun selector come back to haunt you during later exploration? Is it the final boss?
As an aside, I’m genuinely a bit worried about what terrible hellscape a site named “basedmods” which is only available on some kind of onion-or-web3 routing must be. (Jokingly, as I clearly can’t resist knowing about it, does anyone have a Firefox add-on that will remove it from the websites I browse?)
It's resistance against cultural imperialism. You wouldn't get it because you clearly have no principles. You are happy to bend the knee against any and all opreasion.
The mod doesn't work, though. I can call my male character "Silvia" (a female name). The game gives you the option to choose names that do not match what is culturally traditional.
They should give you less options. Don't allow choosing names either.
In fact, remove character customization entirely, then there won't be any "imperialism", right?
I'd go further: make the game more lineal. Remove meaningful choices for the story. Do not allow the player to play in a way that might end up fitting any particular imperialistic agenda. People shouldn't have freedom to choose to follow any ideal.
By principles I am really saying sanity. Biology is immutable. English grammar is a matter of established consensus. Personal pronouns are objectively wrong per both standards.
Never said you did. But you’re claiming oppression over the completely optional feature of… checks notes choosing a different combination of letters. Thats the sort of pathetic mental gymnastics I expect from Peterson and his ilk. Maybe youre more of a Joe Rogan or Matt Walsh kind of guy, but its not too much of a stretch to suggest one of them is informing your dumb ass opinions.
The oppression is forcing people to accept this completely nonsensical concept as part of a mandated world view. I resist and I use my freedom of choice to mod the game so that it is no longer nonsensical.
during character creation you select skill points, traits, a name, body type, gender etc. And a pronoun. Its literally just a menu choice in character creation.
The only impact to the game is being referred to by your chosen pronoun.
Its the most ridiculous thing to be seething over like OP is here
Pronouns cannot be chosen. They are determined by your sex per the rules of English grammar. It's the most ridiculous thing to be seething over objective correctness like you here.
In all seriousness, why? You can just leave the default value and be referred to as your preferred pronouns. You can literally do nothing and get exactly what you want. What’s the point in going out of your way to install a mod to effectively do nothing?
There's no such thing as a non-binary person any more than there is such a thing as personal pronouns. The game can't make a character into something that literally doesn't exist.
Well the mod you want will not align genetic gender to they’re perceived gender. Also were playing a game that introduces magic… I’m sure you can suspend your believe for pronounce.
The mod does what it's supposed to by removing the nonsensical concept of personal pronouns that doesn't objectively exist in the real world. A slightly more involved mod would rename body types A and B to male and female and set the appropriate pronouns accordingly. I'll post that, too, when it comes out.
No such thing as objectivity, we live in the abstract and we give meaning. Pronounced are more of a respectful approach, if your friend said “don’t call me “(insert what ever)” I find it is disrespectful”, you’d stop, same for disabilities, where I’m from we had lots of derogatory names for disabled people and most people will not use those names as its disrespectful.
You are witnessing the natural progression of language, kick and scream all you want but well be there with you or without you
Yes they are objective but every year a new dictionary comes out with new words and meanings, this is humanity turning the abstract into meaning. I’d like to see you get by with the vocabulary of a 16th century Brit.
I am. The billions of English speakers in the third world overwhelmingly reject western degeneracy and cultural imperialism. Nobody's buying what you're selling.
I mean, the absurdity of your argument that a sci-fi space rpg can’t meet your standards of “reality” because of a mere ignorable, pre-existing and commonly used pronoun aside, I’m going to have to step in on this particularly low-hanging morsel…
The rules of English grammar are objective.
If English grammatical rules were objective, we’d all still be talking the way people did way before Shakespeare. Actually, Shakespeare’s writings wouldn’t exist today if English grammar wasn’t at all subjective because he flat out made up a ton of words and phrases we still use today. Also, you’ve heard of poetry, right?
“It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” (Macbeth, Act 5, Scene 5)
Which grammar rule changed since Shakespeare's time? The reason students can still read and understand Shakespeare's works is that the grammar remains the same. Congratulations, you owned yourself.
Ironically, one of the biggest changes from Shakespeare’s time and now concerned pronouns. We stopped using “thou/thee” as the informal 2nd person and began to only use what had been the formal 2nd person, “you,” and stopped using the verb conjugations for them.
Meanwhile, the 3rd person singular “they” has been in use since Chaucer’s time.
If you don’t understand how “we lost an entire pronoun and the verb inflection that went with it” is in fact grammar, I don’t even know what to tell you.
Just off the top of my head: In some US dialects, rather than a single word changing between negative and positive form (e.g. “I didn’t take any pictures”), instead an entire sentence is shifted into a negative mode (“I didn’t take no pictures”). Traditional grammar rules would dictate that as a double negative, implying the speaker did in fact take pictures, but only an idiot would actually choose interpret it that way.
Next, we have the impact of the internet. “lol” might occasionally be spoken aloud in many circumstances as a substitute for “that’s funny” or something similar. Colloquial written English is all over the place. We now not only use “lol”, but “fwiw,” “afaik,” and many others.
Then there’s emoji. We’re basically using glyphs to express ideas, not unlike how kanji works, and traditional rules of grammar don’t always apply when you’re expressing an idea through pictures, though it’s interesting when it does. Animated GIFs and memes often butcher grammar rules without sacrificing any understanding of intent.
A simple google search turns up many more examples than I could possibly be aware of.
Now it’s your turn. Feel free to explain why you think using “they” as a singular pronoun applies as a grammar rule violation in the 21st century. If you can’t use more than a typical snarky one or two-liner, you should just consider this argument lost and rethink your life.
Y'all know there is no "removing" the pronouns for this mod right? All these do is remove he and she and default to they.
So I guess what I'm saying is I'm glad you're working so hard to remove the antiquated gender binary from your own personal fantasy future game. What a fantastic show of support for the trans and enby community! 😂
It removes "pronoun choice", which isn't a thing that exists in the real world, anyway. You can't choose your pronoun. Your biology and the rules of English grammar dictate it.
I still don’t see the big deal about the pronoun mods. You have the power to use it or not. Also banning the mods only helped it. Streisand effect, everyone.
This is the first I’m hearing of it and I’m so confused. Is this just at character creation? Why was it removed?
Is this mod for people who are triggered because the field isn’t free form and the only choices are he/she/they? Or people who are triggered because the sheer existence of a they option is an anathema to their existence?
Even the argument in the comments is so vague it sheds no light.
Is this mod for people who are triggered because the field isn’t free form and the only choices are he/she/they? Or people who are triggered because the sheer existence of a they option is an anathema to their existence?
People triggered because of a they option in character creation. Basically, for folks like this dude.
There is a prominent movement where people don't want to see LGBTQA+ people anywhere. They don't want queer people to exist in their world. It makes them very mad to be exposed to the existence of LGBTQA+ people.
I personally think that they are just some queer people in denial, thinking they are going to catch the gay. Those gay thoughts aren't going to go away for these people no matter how they cater their reality.
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